Worried about coronavirus part 10

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Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3836973-To-be-worried-about-coronavirus-part-9

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

so the test couldn't give a false positive

Sass this was me the other day in Sainsbury’s. People buying dinner for that night, gym goers wandering around in sports wear with an avocado or packet of cooked chicken pieces as if nothing was wrong and I had a trolley with 30 cartons of milk, tins of god knows what and 5 boxes of cereal. Are we mad? 😩🤯🤔🤭😷

I've just stocked up the Brexit stash.

Shelves almost clear on hand sanitiser but I got some. No ibuprofen though, is it manufactured in China, or are people just stocking up?

I went to a big supermarket today. The only thing they were out of was hand sanitiser - big notice saying some should come in next Monday but they couldn't guarantee it.
They had lot of alternative brands - so had run out of own brand Ibuprofen but had an alternative cheap version. Lots of soap, including some bargain ranges (which was great to see - almost everyone can afford 15p). Lots of antibacterial (and will kills flu) wipes.

But I still don't have an answer to my work related question - I am hoping we get some thorough advice soon.

@horehound this is just the start. Wuhan only had 40 cases not too long ago. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?
Tell me one reason why you think things will be different here? Not a chance we will bring in the containment measures that they did in China.
Look at Italy, their numbers are rising at an alarming rate
Just because it's 40 now doesn't mean it will be a low number in a few weeks time.

The secondary school where one of the Devon cases was a pupil remains shut tomorrow, but 4 other local (to it) primary schools were also shut today but will re-open tomorrow. Makes me wonder if a sibling was also tested but negative (however another member of the same family is also positive)

@Horehound are you following what the experts are saying? Travel to this country is ongoing, we are not testing people coming in. Anyone infected that gets missed will spread the virus, and in some instances we won't know it has happened, as in the person infected in Essex - and therefore contact tracing won't work. Community spread has started and will continue. The Government are expecting this to get a lot worse and have clearly said so. Why is that not enough for you to believe its going to get a lot more serious?

These are the drugs who's base ingredients are manufactured in China:

Aciclovir – (Zovirax) – antiviral drug
Advair – asthma medicine
Adrenaline Hcl – treatment for cardiac arrest
Albendazole – treatment for worms
Alfuzosin – (Uroxatral) treatment for enlarged prostate
Allopurinol – gout treatment
Alprazolam – (Xanax) – treatment for anxiety disorders
Amikacin sulfate – treatment for bacterial infections
Aminophyline -treatment for cerebral ischemia
Amiodarone Hydrochloride -treatment for irregular heartbeat
Amlodipine – treats high blood pressure & angina
Ampicillin – antibiotic
Amodiaquine – treatment of malaria
Amoxicillin – antibiotic
Aniracetam – (Draganon, Sarpul, Ampamet) a congnition enhancer
Artemether – treats drug resistant malaria
Artesunate – malaria treatment
Aspirin – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Artemether – treats malaria
Atenolol – high blood pressure medicine
Atropine – antidote against nerve agents
Avandia – (Avandia) treatment of diabetes
Budesonide – (Entocort) treatment of allergy & asthma
Bupropion (Wellbutrin) antidepressant
Calcifediol – treats vitamin D deficiency
Candesartan – (Blopress, Atacand, Amias, Ratacand) treats hypertension
Captopril – (Capoten, Inhibace) treatment for hypertension & congestive heart failure
Carbamazepine – treatment of epilepsy, ADD & ADHD
Carnosine – treatment for autism
Cefixime – antibiotic
Cefotaxime – (Claforan) antibiotic
Cefsulodin – also, cephalosporin – antibiotic
Cephealexin – (Keflex, Keftab) – antibiotic
Chloramphenicol – antibiotic
Chlorpheniramine Maleate – (Chlor-Trimeton, Piriton) Antihistamine
Chlorpromazine Hydrochloride
Chloroquine Phosphate – treatment of malaria
Cilexetil – (Atacand) treats high blood pressure
Cilostazole – (Pletal) treats peripheral vascular disease
Cimetidine – (Tagamet) – heartburn treatment
Ciprofloxacine – (Cipro) – antibiotic & one of two effective treatments for anthrax exposure
Clomiphene Citrate – (Clomid, Serophene, Milophene) infertility treatment
Clopidogrel Bisulfate – (Plavix) treats coronary artery disease
Co-trimoxazole – (Septrin, Bactrim) antibiotic
Cloxacillin – antibiotic
Coreg – (Coreg) beta blocker that treats congestive heart failure
Cromoglicate – treats allergies and asthma
Cyclosporine – immunosuppressive drug
Cytisine – (Tabex) smoking cessation drug
Dexamethasone Acetate – anti-inflammatory steroid
Diclofenac Sodium – (Flector patch/Voltaren) – anti-imflammatory painkiller used to treat arthritis, acute injury and menstrual pain
Diosmin – hemorrhoid treatment
Diphenhydramine hydrochloride – (Benadryl) antihistimine
Doxycycline Hcl – (Vibramycin) – antibiotic
Enalapril – (Renitec, Vasotec) treatment of hypertension, chronic heart failure
Enoxacin – (Enroxil, Penetrex) antibiotic
Erythromycin – antibiotic
Famotidine – (Pepcid) antacid
Ferrous Sulfate – treatment for iron-deficiency anemia
Flucloxacillin – (Flopen, Floxapen) antibiotic
Fluconazole – (Diflucan, Trican) antifungal drug
Furosemide – (Lasix) diuretic for treating congestive heart failure
Frusemide – diuretic used to treat heart failure & edema
Flucloxacillin sodium – antibiotic
Gentamycin – antibiotic
Glibenclamide (Diabeta, Flynase, Micronase) anti-diabetic drug
Gliclazide – diabetes treatment
Griseofulvin – antifungal drug
Glyceryl Trinitrate – treatment of angina & heart disease
Hydrochlorothiazide – (Aquazide H, Dichlotride, Microzide, Oretic) diuretic
Human growth hormone – treatment of growth failure in children
Ibuprofen – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Imitrex – (Imatrex) migraine medicine
Indomethazine – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Ketoconazole – (Nizoral) antifungal drug
Lincomycine – antibiotic
Lamictal – treatment for epilepsy & bipolar disorder
Letrozole – treatment of breast cancerLipitor – (Lipitor) lowers cholesteral
Loratadine (Claritin, Lomilan, Clarinase, Alavert, AllergyX) antihistamine
Lovastatin- lowers cholesteral
Lumefantrine – treatment of malaria
Mebendazole – (Ovex, Vermox, Antiox, Pripsen) treatment for worms
Mefenamic Acid – (Ponstel, Ponstan) non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory painkiller
Meloxicam – (Mobic) non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory painkiller
Metamizole sodium (Analgin, Dipyrone, Novalgin) painkiller, fever-reducer
Methyldopa – (Aldomet, Dopamet, Novomedopa) antihypertension drug
Metoclopramide – (Maxolon, Reglan, Degan, Maxeran, Primeran) anti-nausea drug
Metronidazole – treats infections
Moexipril – (Univasc) treatment of high blood pressure
Mycophenolate Mofetil – Immunosuppressive drug
Niclosamide – treats tapeworms
Nifedipine (Adalat, Nifedical, Procardia) treats hypertension, premature labor
Nitroglycerin – (Nitrospan, Nitrostat, Tridil) heart medication
Norfloxacin – antibiotic
Ofloxacin – (Floxin) antibiotic
Ondansetron – (Zofran) – nausea prevention for chemo patients
Orlistat – (Xenical) – obesity treatment
Oxandrolone – Synthetic anabolic steroid
Oxybutinin – treatment for incontinence
Oxymetholone – Synthetic anabolic steroid
Oxytetracycline – antibiotic
Paclitaxel – also taxol – cancer treatment
Paracetamol .....

@ofwarren

Any ideas why they are buying a motel? Seems mad to me. Why not block book a motel? Surely that would be faster, easier and cheaper?

I understand that simple difference of course.

That isnt what I said. I didn't see it saying theres 'no evidence' which is why I didnt say it, but that we'd been told they weren't.

I guess theres a lot we don't know still.

Its very slow though, and mamy cases have simply stopped, are not spreading, and have been contained in specific areas.

It’s about trusting your own common sense and instincts but I felt ripped to shreds recently by everyone because I had a Brexit stash and now this... lol

Penicillin – antibiotic
Phenacetin – painkiller
Phenformin Hydrochloride – diabetes treatment
Prednisone – steroid
Promethazine Hydrochloride – (Phenergan, Romergan, Fargan, Avomine) antihistamine
Propranolol – (Inderal, Avlocardyl, Dociton, Inderalici, InnoPran XL) hypertension treatment
Pyrimethamine – (Daraprim) antimalarial drug
Propecia – (Propecia) for prostate enlargement and hair loss
Quinine – malaria treatment
Ramipril – used to treat hypertension and congestive heart failure
Ranitidine Hydrochloride – (Zantac) antacid
Ribavirin – (Copegus, Rebetol, Ribashere, Vilona, Virazole) anti-viral drug
Rifampicin+Isoniazid – malaria treatment
Ribavirin – (Copegus, Rebetol, Ribashere) antivirual drug
Rifampicin – antibiotic
Salbutamol – asthma, copd
Sibutramine – (Meridia) obesity treatment
Spironolactone – (Aldactone, Novo-Spiroton, Verospiron, Berlactone) diuretic
Streptomycin – antibiotic
Sucralfate – (Carafate) – treats ulcers & acid reflux disease
Sulfadiazine – antibiotic
Sulfamethoxazole – antibiotic
Sulfadoxine&Pyrimethamine – treatment for malaria
Sulpiride – (Meresa, Sulpirid Ratiopharm) treatment of schizophrenia
Tamoxifen – breast cancer treatment
Tinidazole – (Tindamax, Fasigyn) anti-parasitic drug
Trandolapril – treatment of high blood pressure
Trimethoprim – antibiotic
Valaciclovir – (Valtrex) antiviral drug

They've had no ibuprofen in our local Aldi since way before Christmas but I don't know why.

I'm sorry the first part of the list didn't include the spaces.
I don't know what happened there

Sassenach.

I think the issue is peoples gross behaviour judging others and behaving as if it ok to rip into others just because they disagree. When its not.

Some signs that public concern is increasing in my area of Germany

Today, my gym spin class suddenly had only ⅔ of the usual regulars

A woman there said her OH just sneezed into her elbow when they were at a museum yesterday and all around them people backed right away and left a large space around them.

The last few days in my village, I've twice seen someone walking with a mask on

In the 2 local supermarkets, big empty shelves where loo rolls should be stacked up

SImilar signs in the UK ?

Why have you posted the drugs list ofwarren?

I've no idea @NewJez I just saw the information on twitter

*Feels smug for buying hand wash three weeks ago, way before it started to kick off. It was on offer, and I bulk buy products I use regularly when they go on offer by habit.

Today I’m feeling so confused, mentally. I mean, I went to a supermarket where everything was normal, shelves full, people chatting, nothing different. It made me feel a bit of normality and a feeling of calm.

I’m sitting with BBC news on tonight and I feel like the facts are screaming at us that this is a HUGE problem and it’s getting worse.

I feel so frustrated with people who are dismissing this but tbh I can’t blame them as there is nothing clear cut to indicate the seriousness of this.

Just wait. Hand wash disappearing from the shelves is being noticed and people are gradually noticing. Everything they notice rachets things up a bit more and it starts to wind everyone up.

You can feel the nervousness.

People don't want to admit its troubling them.

There was a girl in the queue behind me the other day buying up a tray of hand santiser 'for her mum' and was making a lot of noise about how embarassing it was. Yet she'd gone to every other shop in the area and they'd all been sold out. So she must have been worried enough herself to try everywhere.

It will take just one news story that worries people for the dam to burst and spark a full on panic buying session.

Just because people are carrying on saying 'i'm not bothered' doesn't mean they aren't down Asda putting one or two extra things in the basket 'just in case' without admitting it to anyone else.

I asked why there might be a shortage of Ibuprofen.

Fuck. The friend I was staying with in Devon at the weekend has teen kids at the school which has been closed. I didn't really get super close to said kids but I did stay at their house... Hoping they don't now come down with it. And that I don't. Eeeeek. I was there last week watching GS in sporting event. Said GC spent the weekend with us. DH is mid 70s and disabled so I am feeling anxious.

Because someone asked if ibuprofen was made in china. They are seeing drug shortages in the US.

Agreed ofwarren all those half term trips to Italy are now back home and a lot probably not taking the self isolation advice on board.

Remember in a movie you only have 2 and a half hours to set the story, this potentially could go on for months. Sadly this isn’t a Netflix virus you can binge watch.

Also do we really know the exact incubation period? What if it lays dormant for weeks? So many variables.

Ibuprofen has been out since November, sorry, I bought it all 👋🏻

@ofwarren that's a whacking list of antibiotics, asthma meds, and all sort. Terrifying we might have no anti-biotics.

@Sassenach85 @Wehttam I feel I am leading a double life. Work, school carrying on as normal. Shops mostly ok some gaps in shelves but that happens from time to time crisis or not. Most people blase.
Home - reading up on medical reports, stockpiling buying medical stuff like pulse oximeters blah blah.

Having said that, panic would not help - WHO has repeatedly stated it has potential to be worse than the threat of the virus.

I actually think society would collapse tomorrow if everyone IRL was as concerned as we are on here. I'm not saying we're panicing but I reckon there would be mass panic when it hits people. Personally I think sharing videos of panic buying and empty shelves and constantly talking about it is fuelling the panic. It's not helpful - it beomces a self-fufilling prophecy.