To be worried about coronavirus part 9

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Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3836309-To-be-worried-about-Coronavirus-Part-8

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert edited by MNHQ at OP's request

parents of children whose school close can only take time off where i work depending on the needs of the service.

So what are parents supposed to do in that situation @EnidBlyton?

There were 4 nursery children that caught it in germany from their teacher. All said to be mild

It is not my business @allthesharks, it is my employer

@Newjez much of what you say has merit and in theory would all be great. i only have a point on a couple of yours.

The flight restrictions while they sound great i think it would have to be in countries of a few thousand cases not 100. We have already lost BMI, Thomas cook and nearly flybe in the last year. hitting the profits of airlines any more could see many more airlines collapse and the cost of air travel would sky rocket in the future [ i do understand that peoples health is more important etc but i really think it would be a last resort by the government].

Similar with the full pay etc as although it would be very harsh for someone to be losing out on money by having this virus. Companies still need to make money and may not be able to do so if it became a full blown epidemic in the UK and say half the workforce was off. Again companies could go out of business paying staff full pay for work that is not getting down etc.

Like i said in principle of the ideas are good but they are not practical unless as a last resort.

@AHippoNamedBooBooButt - I have had a cold, sore throat and runny nose as have almost everyone I know for the last week, general winter cold, didnt worry me till I saw a friend who had been abroad (not listed isolation country) 2 days ago long , after the cold had started that I started panicking about it. Do I phone 111 when it is a cold like I get every year, 99% of me says it is just a cold but with health anxiety the 1% goes barmy imagining all things. I would be constantly ringing the last couple of days but trying to think logically, I haven't been abroad and friend who I saw after cold started hadn't been in listed area so I don't want to block a service.

I watched the WHO update and surprisingly felt a bit more hopeful after that that the end of the world is not upon us, they were saying they were still hopeful of containment and a chink of light even in countries with large numbers. I have been feeling very low about this so I am trying to hold on to even that glimmer.

I read that children are less likely to be badly affected as they have better immune responses, in a similar way to chicken pox which is a lot more dangerous if you catch it as an adult. SARS and MERS showed a similar pattern. Children also won’t have ever smoked and will have been exposed to less pollution so their lungs are healthier in the first place.
I read about a month ago that a newborn had caught it. Presumably if the stats are right then it survived. Must have been terrifying for the family though.

@EnidBlyton I know, I didn't mean is accusingly to you, I just think it's ridiculous and wondered what they thought parents are supposed to do in that situation.

But a hardship fund would make sense.

@FoxRedBitch and @Fourducksate

Similar boat here with my husband’s business. Without being too outing, it cannot function without people on the premises and it would create a national shortage of a product if production was to stop. Before even getting to that point, materials may not make it to his business allowing him to make the product if others elsewhere are unable to run at full capacity.

None of it is ideal! He was going to call his insurers to see if they are covered for business interruption. No idea what this would cover though. Does it cover staff sick pay for example?

Just something that made me think.
The timeline of the UK outbreak began on 29/1/20 in York.
2 Chinese people flew over and stayed in a hotel there before being taken to RVI Newcastle for treatment.
So in that months time nobody up North became sick?
Or have and just haven’t been tested due to “not travelling to hotspots”? But no reported cases have been up North.

Considering this is purported to have an high infection rate, it’s just making me wonder whether there’s a reason it hasn’t spread here the way it did in China.

They are still refusing to test people in many areas of the U.K. that don’t meet the strict countries visited guide.
My DF has been ill for 9 days since returning from N. Italy, and visiting the 2 cities that the NHS are excluding from their criteria.
He has rang 111 and his GP as his flu symptoms are bad and he has a severe cough. No one will test him as he doesn’t meet the strict guidelines. I am sure he isn’t the only person this has happened to either. He is self isolating as is retired and doesn’t feel well enough to be out anyway, but how many aren’t?

Only 3 new cases in Italy today? Is that because they're no longer testing as much? Or are they due to release figures later?

By comparison, my job would easily allow me to work from home as I don’t need to be on site to do it.

Thetiger I'd be interested in your DH insurers reply without outing you or him obvs

Hospitals have too few intensive care and high-dependency care beds, those units are understaffed and there are no plans to expand such facilities.

The part about no plans to expand these facilities isn't true. It just isn't. I know this 100% because of the job a family member does and what he is currently doing.

@BrokenBrit I'm sorry your Dad is still unwell. I remember when you first posting about it. Are his symptoms improving at all? Is he managing ok at home? I wish I had something helpful to suggest.

@pussycatinboots I’ll post here when I know.

2 Chinese people flew over and stayed in a hotel there before being taken to RVI Newcastle for treatment. So in that months time nobody up North became sick? Or have and just haven’t been tested due to “not travelling to hotspots”?
I live nearby. I have all the symptoms but the NHS isn’t interested in testing me because I haven’t travelled anywhere. I imagine there are a number of people who are ill but remain untested because they’re only testing the people who brought the virus here not the ones who might have caught it off them.

Parent has it at DS’ school. Lots of kids there in iso.
My anxiety through the roof. DH v immuno-compromised. 😞 Won’t be one they work to save.

@BrokenBrit it just dumbfounds me, there was an “AIBU to think I’ve already had COVID-19” thread as so many have had serious chest infections and pneumonia these last couple of months. I’m sorry to hear about your DF and hope he makes a rapid recovery.

Is the school closed oneofthegrundys?

@YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus I was surprised also that there weren’t more cases in York after the Chinese pair. And also the Brighton super spreader man who went to yoga/ the pub/ on the plane. Yet he only seemed to infect those in the chalet with him.

It’s either positive or there’s lots of undetected cases about. It worries me to hear all these calls to 111, especially from
people who have been to Italy, where they aren’t being tested as they don’t meet the criteria.

Time will tell I guess.

I think the UK have tested over 13,000 people though, so it's not as if they've just done a couple of thousand.

Hope your Dad feels better soon BrokenBrit.

I have all the symptoms but the NHS isn’t interested in testing me because I haven’t travelled anywhere. I imagine there are a number of people who are ill but remain untested because they’re only testing the people who brought the virus here not the ones who might have caught it off them.

But even if you have symptoms which haven't progressed to pneumonia, do you honestly believe that if those early cases had spread the illness into the population that no one would have become seriously ill by now? It just isn't a rational belief based on how we see the disease progress elsewhere.