To be worried about Coronavirus part 7

[Jenasaurus]

As nearly full on the other one, Ill just leave this here and link to it on the other thread for when its full

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3834698-To-be-worried-about-the-Coronavirus-Part-6?pg=10&messages=100

This video from lovely Dr John Campbell, is very informative and in part reassuring he has suggested a lower CFR of 1% based on the figures he is constantly analysing

Here is a link to Worldometer Map for live updates

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

and here is another link for news sources from BNO News.

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

my work has advised us to call our line manager in case of the listed symptoms. it will then be decided on a case by case if wfh is appropriate.
they also advised us to wear gloves when out and about. just ordinary ones, not disposable.
and to keep hands moisturised as little wounds/cracks on dry skin are entry points for viruses in general.

WHO OFFICIAL ADVICE FOR PUBLIC

7th case of #Coronavirus in #Norway. It is a member of the Hospital staff.

BUT out of the 600 WITHOUT symptoms, 70% were confirmed with coronavirus. [or 420]

This is worrying. And it's going to be impossible to contain when it reaches a certain level.

Reports of concern for the coughing Pope’s health have made me wonder how many people’s hands he has to shake every week.

FFS god damn bats...or scientists...
or baby mice
Google image wet markets and bushmeat.

You'll hop aboard the fuckthat train so fast!

Qatar reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Any others here who wish we had the option to remove children from school without penalty?
Really worried about Ds. I don't understand why the govt isn't copying Japan and closing schools for 2 months.

Also checking in. It's good to get the facts on here.

The government have specifically said that they are considering temporarily removing health and safety legislation re: class sizes. In some cases, I think it's likely this would lead to classes being supervised but minimal actual learning going on.

As a science teacher, if I was responsible for say 40 children, there would be absolutely no practical work going on, for example.

Practically, there are a lot of issues with increasing class sizes - after a certain point, you can't fit any more children in the room so I expect in a lot of cases it would be one teacher supervising two rooms, so both classes getting minimal teacher input and behaviour would definitely be an issue. I think there could also be massive potential for truanting lessons as well - which is a major safeguarding issue.

Cynically, I wonder if it's a backdoor way of getting parents used to larger class sizes long term. If your child was in a class of 50 last year, suddenly 35 doesn't look so bad!

Re Japan
I used to live there
First of all the Japanese are very different to us in that they just do what they are told so less likely to complain

Secondly in Japan there is FAR more likely to be a mum of children or grandparent who can look after them. Married women generally don't work, it is changing but very slowly. So it is much less
Impactful to close schools as it would do here.

I wish they would at least talk about the trigger points for when they'd shut down schools.

They won’t shut schools til the very last moment I reckon. For better or worse.

I think the trigger point will be safe staffing tbh.

We have children who need 1:1 to manage their ability to keep on an even keel behaviour wise, and whose behaviour sometimes has to be managed with 2 adults.

Others could cope with more in their class but most classes have at least 1-2 children or more for whom the change or more pupils can be a behaviour trigger.

I think we'd have to have a particular policy for our school.

Remembering when I was in mainstream this could still be an issue for some children.

There will be a lot of handwriting and colouring in going on...

schools/nurseries weren't closed during swine flu.
even after ds, dh and I tested positive the nursery stayed open as usual.

wondering about the big gatherings, we were going to the Edinburgh fringe. Hmmm. 100k visitors in the Royal Mile

I'm meant to be doing the Edinburgh marathon relay in late May and have a week in Scotland afterwards. I'm supposed to pay the balance on the accommodation in mid-April so will take a view then. We are driving so haven't paid in advance for travel.

What could possibly go wrong in a class of 40+ kids with one teacher....

Potentially daft question regarding schools and staffing. Surely if several members of staff are affected by the virus, then the other staff members will need to self isolate as they are close contacts of the infected staff?

Also a potentially worrying situation, with more and more schools being academies and sharing staff, then surely the other schools in the academy who have been exposed by a sick staff member will also need to self isolate?

Exactly. I think that the teaching and learning would be so compromised in some ‘extra large’ or covered classes that they’d be better at home with homework provided or access to online learning like MyMaths or Seneca. At a point school would become just one massive babysitting exercise if a large number of staff are off. So-helpful for parents who need to work but little of educational value.

www.theguardian.com/society/2009/jul/20/swine-flu-school-closures wooden they did close 20 schools for swine flu but I agree, they are unlikely to this time because swine flu was worse for children and this seems to be less harsh for kids.

A relative of mine has literally just returned from Sohth Korea....saw absolutely noting at the airport on arrival, no guidance on any sort of procedures with regards to Coronavirus. I told him that he should be looking into getting tested at one of these supposed ‘pods’ to make sure they are ok. But when he phoned 111 was told it’s not necessary unless he has symptoms.
Surely, it should just be routine?? Seeing as it takes at LEAST 2 weeks to start showing symptoms ?! I think this is outrageous and probably why it’s spreads so quickly now?

schools/nurseries weren't closed during swine flu.
even after ds, dh and I tested positive the nursery stayed open as usual.

Although peaks and troughs of swine flu infections were linked to the school holidays. But the swine flu only saw a cfr of 0.02 so wasn't the same in the magnitude of potential outcomes.

This was a comment for the last thread and school closure.

For secondary schools (not requiring parents to be off) I think the majority of lessons might be done on the Messenger app from home.

This may work in part in first schools too.

It may at last give parents the option of keeping children off without worrying about essential education (GCSEs Alevels)

The teacher sets up a group chat for his/her whole class.

Pupils get notification to join.

They teacher sets up a video and points his camera to a white board (the teacher will need a surface you can write on at home)

The children can hear him but they see the board.

Facebook. The feature is available now on both Android and iOS. Group video chat on Messenger allows you to see up to six people at a time, but up to 50 people can join a call. Once more than six people are on a call, the main person talking is shown on-screen to everyone.21 Feb 2018

I use this as feature and having gone through many others, I can say this works. It's easy, although it might take a practice session to make sure the children can see the board.

FWIW it's almost impossible to follow a lot of that WHO advice in schools:

-Limited handwashing facilities and/or limited access to hand sanitizer.
-Impossible to maintain social distancing in the classroom or in corridors.
-Limited access to tissues.
-Also, a lot of teenagers will share drinks, food and makeup with friends without a second thought, which has to be another potential route for transmission.

I think there's still a middle ground between closing all schools and the current position though:

-Allowing parents to temporarily withdraw their children, especially if immuno-compromised.
-2 week quarantine period extended to cover a wider area (e.g. all of Northern Italy, all of Korea etc.)
-Individual school closures if needed, either for short periods to clean, or for 2 week periods if needed, rather than the current drive which seems to be keeping schools open at all costs.

I agree that school closures will be difficult for parents (especially of primary age children), but rolling 2 week closures will probably be easier to cope with than longer closures if there's widespread infection.