To be worried about Coronavirus part 7

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As nearly full on the other one, Ill just leave this here and link to it on the other thread for when its full

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3834698-To-be-worried-about-the-Coronavirus-Part-6?pg=10&messages=100

This video from lovely Dr John Campbell, is very informative and in part reassuring he has suggested a lower CFR of 1% based on the figures he is constantly analysing

Here is a link to Worldometer Map for live updates

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

and here is another link for news sources from BNO News.

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Dominc this is what worries me also. Once when dc was 3 we were both bed ridden.

Both ends, but in addition flu like symptoms, aching, headaches, sore body, sore throat.

Luckily someone could take dd then.
Thankfully if we were literally bedridden both dd can do basic sandwiches, get themselves milk and drinks.
That's a huge relief to me.
One dd could possibly make bread, but not anything on the stove yet.
The tipping point where dc turn from total reliance to actually being able to self support a little

Being really ill with small dc was worse points of all parenting. All you want to do is be ill, but you can't.

I really feel for those who have now family help /single parents etc. But I also guess those know what hell it is and will prep a little.

@BrokenBrit is that the one that was shown sweating and coughing on TV?

No. I just checked it out. Different guy.

The idea that the government would prioritise the economy over saving lives is awful.

However part of me wonders if that is actually them saying they don't have a clue how to tackle this, and they don't have the ability to enforce quarentine measures.

Clearly if 15-20% of the population are seriously ill, that will have an economic impact. Surely taking short term containment measures will be long term more beneficial than allowing the virus just to run rampant through the population.

I feel like countries such as Germany and France are taking this much more seriously than the UK government.

To be clear, I don't think that we need school closures or mass quarentine yet, but I do think that having a policy that seems to be aiming at keeping schools open and people working at all costs isn't the way forward either!

news-tunisia.tunisienumerique.com/coronavirus-iranian-mp-with-virus-dies-as-outbreak-spreads/

I think the thing about Singapore is the humidity. When I did A level biology many moons ago, viruses like moisture to grow.

Parker not here.

I'm the worker who is exposed to the greatest risk, if I could stay off work with my dc for two weeks that would dramatically reduce our exposure to risk.

Dh commutes by car to small office.

Dinget that seems to make sense doesn't it.

Lots of posts mentioning heat but non mentioning whether it's killed off by the cold?

Sansa where has the gov said they are prioritising the economy over lives

You can see from on here, some people would be rather keep working, some people have the chance to survive without pay for some weeks.

The gov duty is to protect us first and for most. I'm interested in how this balance will emerge on the Monday.

Hopefully the flexibility they talk of will allow such scenarios. Surely if those that can stay at home, it will ease pressure on everyone??

@Fucket I don't think the Gov are going to do this til it's too late.

@Snowdropdelight I have two retired parents who could/would help if me and DH were unable to care for them - but this might be a death sentence for them, they're into their 70s and my father is a heavy smoker.

I just don't feel the relevant "authorities" are ahead of this at all. Containment measures will be too late. I mean look at this - flights coming in from virus hotspot unfettered.

@NaturalBornWoman Think you are right about half life. I think I'm clear based on the fact my hair stopped coming out in clumps in December which it had been doing for a while. Out of interest I checked my hospital app and the letter I found shows I was off it in August - so am 6 months clear now. Honestly, I have found all the drugs I have tried being methotrexate, leflunomide and 2 biologics have not been worth it for me - in terms of benefit vs side effects and lower immunity.
Everybody is different but I can live as is for the moment. I do get some swelling in my knuckles but turmeric has helped. I can't believe I have said that beacuse I was told categorically it was useless by the rheumatology team, but even if it's a placebo, I'm ok with that.

Thank you for sharing your experience, it makes me feel less alone in facing this CV with this heath issue and having to make medication decisions.

I wonder if there is any way of being able to predict long term consequences of having been infected. Not wanting to be alarmist but early symptoms of infection with HIV are flu-like (although much less severe than the coronavirus symptoms). It isn't for up to ten years later that the most serious effects i.e. AIDS emerges. Is there any reason to think there will or won't be such serious longer term effects from coronavirus? I'm thinking SARS is a good indication there are unlikely to be serious long-term effects but an not sure.

I'm aghast at the number of people who think that things should carry on as they are and we should just absorb the deaths, the serious and critical illnesses and the increased life long care required for the resultant damage done by the virus and the loss of quality of life for those people that follows so they don't have to make temporary inconvenient changes to their life.

Summer seems so far away right now. 😫 Plans for a trip to South of France or Italy are well and truly out the window. Does anyone else just feel this whole event insidious, who would have thought on NYE we would be facing this disaster at the start of the new decade.

On a brighter note at least the sun is shining today....

@dingit

I think the thing about Singapore is the humidity. When I did A level biology many moons ago, viruses like moisture to grow.

As I understand high humidity helps the virus drop to the ground (from the water droplets in the air I guess). They like cold dry conditions. So the advice I've heard in Singapore is to turn off the air-conditioning and open your windows.

english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/29/Watch-Clinic-in-Iran-set-on-fire-believed-to-be-coronavirus-quarantine-.html
Clinic in Iran torched, believed to be coronavirus quarantine

A clinic in the Iranian city of Bandar Abbas was torched on Friday because some people believed that coronavirus patients from another city were quarantined in it, according to Iranian media reports.

Rumors spread that 10 infected people were transported from the city of Qom, the epicenter of the virus in Iran, to Towhid Clinic, according to social media posts.

However, the semi-official Fars News Agency referred to the claims of people being transferred to the southern Bandar Abbas city as “unfounded rumors” and that this information “angered” some residents who then set fire to the clinic.

Where is the sun shining. It's peeing down in Surrey?
Still holding out hope for my Caribbean holiday, 38 days and counting

Maybe the good old British rain will mean that outside in the open at least this virus won’t survive. It will indoors though where the people are.

@RedToothBrush wow. I hadn't thought about the wider implications of this virus in countries like Iran - I.e the civil unrest turning everything into even more of a shit show.

I have a son doing gcse this year and I am a bit concerned about school disruption/Illness/delays etc I really hope all our year 11s will be thought of :(

FourTea I totally agree, it’s the selfish arrogance of ‘it won’t get me’ that leads to further infection and spread. Maybe it’s naivety and the misleading media that makes people apathetic to the situation.

The calamity this will bring if it goes bad will be on a scale none of us can fathom. The strain on the NHS will be catastrophic, wait until the staff start getting sick or stay away from their jobs because they don’t want to be infected or risk infecting their families. Wait until getting regular treatment becomes a potentially lethal risk just by being in Drs surgeries and clinics.

Wait until you are shaking with fear because someone just sneezed in front of you and you know what the could really mean....

@notjustacigar

Regarding long term consequences of infection, early research indicates possible damage to kidneys & testes possibly leading to male infertility.

Hopefully more info will come out on this very soon as more research is done. Very worrying though.

For the first time in many years, no exams in our household. Finals for dd next year.

@wehttam that's how I feel.
Totally aghast at what is happening.
Like you say, not a chance we would have believed on NYE that 2020 was going to turn out like this!

If you compare temperatures between cluster areas, you'll find temperatures and humidity probably don't play much of a role in this virus' ability to survive. I am no expert! But Singapore and Milan are totally different in terms of humidity and temperature. The virus thrives in both environments. Also, the Southern hemisphere is affected at the same time as the northern hemisphere which makes me think that warmer temperatures and an increase in UV light may not make an enormous difference.
It's still early days, globally speaking. So if you compare Iran to Singapore, it's not the humidity or temperature playing a role in its spread. It's containment and access to healthcare/beds/meds/med equipment... basically, it's down to the plain old economical viability of a country. Iran and Singapore are socially and economically polar opposites and this will show itself with regards to how this virus evolves.