To be worried about Coronavirus part 7

[Jenasaurus]

As nearly full on the other one, Ill just leave this here and link to it on the other thread for when its full

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3834698-To-be-worried-about-the-Coronavirus-Part-6?pg=10&messages=100

This video from lovely Dr John Campbell, is very informative and in part reassuring he has suggested a lower CFR of 1% based on the figures he is constantly analysing

Here is a link to Worldometer Map for live updates

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

and here is another link for news sources from BNO News.

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

We are off out to Sea Life Centre in Birmingham today which is usually busy especially on a Saturday. Just trying to carry on as normal and be extra vigilant. I would think twice about London though. I dont know why. Just my illogical reasoning that it would hold more tourists! My daughter lives in Bath which is a hotspot for tourists especially from counties most affected. Is that bad that I'm worried about her? But I cant put our life on hold. Though I am going to stockpile food etc.

It’s impossible to know who or what to believe. I mentioned in another thread that DS teaches in Japan. They shut all the schools there but the comments I have heard coming from there is that it isn’t necessary and has only been done to try and make sure the olympics go ahead in Tokyo. This is the problem. Governments have their own motivations and you or I as individuals just don’t factor into that. That’s why we can’t trust them.

DS’s school has decided to stay open. They can do that as they’re a private school. But being a private school, their motivation is financial. They won’t be factoring in whether it’s safe for my DS or not. So he’s coming home. The school year is almost over there anyway. At this point I think people have to do what they feel is right for them and their families. If others think it’s too much, so what?

@keepmoving

Wow threads are filling up quickly. Reply to this on the last page of the last thread:

HasA do you know what if certain aerosol-generating procedures are conducted in health care facilities refers to?

All dental procedures are aerosol-generating. Drills whizzing around very fast in a pool of saliva sending up spray.

I'm sure there are others.

Re America coronavirus test, a men in America did a test, it cost $3200, after insurance pay, he paid £1400 himself. BBC mentioned this in the news.

paid $1400.

School closures will not happen in most cases unless as a last resort. We have already been informed that we will need to cope with larger classes, set extra work for anyone off etc - the impact of this will be interesting as I can see more staff being off with stress as a result of having the bulk of the responsibility for results and attendance still pushed on them, in a system that is overloaded as it is. If we cannot force a child to hand over their mobile phone when they refuse (as has happened only yesterday), how will we be able to force them to have their temperatures taken?

Also, as pointed out before, the British mindset is different to that of many people in East Asian countries, who are raised far more compliant with societal expectations than we are. We don't have the resources to enforce isolation on those who won't comply.

I honestly believe that, in Britain, it will run its course, because we are so short of the right mindset and the resources to cope with those who will not think of others before their own wants and needs.

DD has woken up with a temp and extremely dry cough. She can’t stop coughing! Other DC now calling her corona . I’m half laughing and half thinking of isolating her in the loft

Alkaloise - That is interesting what you say about the British mindset. I disagree. Look at how the British were during the world wars. Incredibly social and supportive of each other. The government just needs to change its rhetoric to tap into that. It is there in the social conscience.

@ofwarren
I can't believe the American response so far has been at looking at ways to stabilise the markets with tax cuts and interest rate cuts.
What about test kits that work, free testing, free treatment, paid sick leave for quarantine. Can't believe they charged that guy for quarantine. Seriously? It's almost as if they haven't a clue. So many countries were critical of China. I think we are about to see that China were the gold standard for disease control. They have a lot to teach us and we need to learn fast. But we need to start with the right attitude.

This virus is like a pedophile with the looks and charm of George Clooney. It presents mildly to many people, and if we don't take it seriously it will get into our homes and cause havoc.

Training is also woefully inadequate. I've talked to our cleaners yesterday - they are meant to have gloves, masks and hand sanitising facilities, yet they have to go to the Science department to be able to access hot water, have none of the above and we're already short on hand sanitisers, because those available in communal areas are being empties and thrown around for fun by a few students on their regular truanting sessions.

I've overheard some students discussing how to disrupt lockdown procedures, which we are meant to be testing annually.

Sorry to be so cynical, but containment in schools like most of the local comps I have worked in will not be working.

Italy has locked down a few town, they seems doing well.

Re America coronavirus test, a men in America did a test, it cost $3200, after insurance pay, he paid £1400 himself. BBC mentioned this in the news.

And think of the unreliability of the test. Lots of negatives before resting positive. It could cost £10k to get an accurate result!

@ofwarren I thought they were testing anyone who presented with any form of respiratory illness - mild to severe at surgeries and hospitals now, or is that just selected areas?

The schools won't close, because the majority of households have both parents/single parents in full time work whom the economy relies upon, and who rely upon their income to survive!

I am in a position to home educate my children and will do so from next week.
The problem for us who are in the position to do so, is that we have to de register our children, or face fines for unauthorised absence...therefore the majority of parents who could take their kids out of school, won't.

All the while thinking, am I doing the wrong thing, am I putting my children in danger? While the parents who are working simply don't have a choice.

We are left at the mercy of PHE and the Government prioritising the economy over individual health.

Look at how the British were during the world wars. Incredibly social and supportive of each other.

I think that society has changed to be almost unrecognisable since then. People were far more compliant and aware of the social contract, far more easily shamed.
It's a much more individualistic society now, for better or worse.

This report from Associated Press.

The patients are:

An older woman in northern California with chronic health conditions
A high school student in Everett, Washington
An employee at an elementary school in Portland, Oregon

None of the patients had recently travelled overseas or had any known close contact with a traveller or an infected person, authorities said.

Santa Clara County in the San Francisco Bay Area also reported two cases where the source of infection wasn’t known, AP reported.

The new coronavirus cases of unknown origin marks an escalation of the worldwide outbreak in the U.S. because it means the virus could spread beyond the reach of preventative measures like quarantines, though state health officials said that was inevitable and that the risk of widespread transmission remains low.

California public health officials on Friday said more than 9,380 people are self-monitoring after arriving on commercial flights from China through Los Angeles and San Francisco. That’s up from the 8,400 that Gov. Gavin Newsom cited on Thursday, though officials said the number increases daily as more flights arrive.

Officials are not too worried, for now, about casual contact, because federal officials think the coronavirus is spread only through “close contact, being within six feet of somebody for what they’re calling a prolonged period of time,” said Dr. James Watt, interim state epidemiologist at the California Department of Public Health.

From Guardian Live feed.

The US has barely tested anyone. They have nearly 10,000 people who are 'self monitoring' in California alone which is completely meaningless in a country with little sick pay protection, workers rights nor health cover. Self monitoring is also a level down from the 'self-isolating' advice we are getting in the UK (which being uncontrolled and not monitored is bad enough with our social security provisions)

At least we only have a lazy arse who refuses to work weekends rather than one who propogates conspiracy theories over a public health emergency.

@Themythsweliveby Things have changed since then, this generation of young people and their parents is different. I have worked all over the Midlands in many comps and the selfishness I have experienced is astonishing. Only last week did I have a student return back to lessons half a day after repeatedly throwing up into a bin the day before - because their parents needed to work and grades were more important to them than the health of all of the student's peers. It's a regular thing here and pressures on attendance figures mean our lead staff couldn't care less.

Just selected areas Emma.
People are told to ring 111 and if they don't meet the criteria, they are told it's just a cold and to treat at home.

Sorry to be so cynical, but containment in schools like most of the local comps I have worked in will not be working.

Not cynical at all. There are always those students who thrive off of doing the wrong thing, and this will just be another situation for them to cause mayhem and panic among their peers and other students.

@YoursTunbridgeWells I politely declined the Leflunomide when offered in addition to the methotrexate which wasn't really doing much. Actually I remembered the half life as being even longer than that, it was the main reason I didn't want to take it. I feel relieved now I've made the decision and if I have a flare then we'll reconsider in a few months.

Taken from my local Facebook page

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
Last evening dining out with friends, one of their uncles, who's graduated with a master's degree and who worked in Shenzhen Hospital (Guangdong Province, China) sent him the following notes on Coronavirus for guidance:

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.

10. Can't emphasise enough - drink plenty of water! THE SYMPTOMS

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE.

813 new cases in South Korea, they have a population size similar to ours, not the 1.3 billion in China.

Taken from my local Facebook page

Those few words alone make me stop reading.

I have to say that I feel quite happy about being unemployed at the moment. I don't think I would be happy taking the train to work every day.

@WaterSheep same here