To be worried about the Coronavirus Part 6

[Jenasaurus]

Old thread here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3833553-to-be-worried-about-coronavirus-part-5

Thanks for these threads, the updates, and the heads up about John Campbell- really good channel thanks.

Just wondered what people think, my husband is flying back from Europe. WIBU to request he has a shower and change clothes before touching me and the DC?! He’s not been to a hotspot but it’s more the plane and UK airport-grimness that bothers me

@amd4578

Because they said publicly a week ago that once we got to 100 cases they would move to mitigation rather than containment.

Mitigation is cancelling large gatherings and possibly closing schools but doesn't include lockdown which is containment

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WIBU to request he has a shower and change clothes before touching me and the DC?

The risk is pretty low but it takes him 10 mins to have a shower so if it puts your mind at rest I don't see what the issue is...

@vanessalightfoot I request my teen does that when he gets back from college. You are not being unreasonable.

My relative has returned from Milan and because it’s not in the lockdown zone has been told to return to work in the nhs patient facing. Our government is not doing enough to contain this. If it was already rife here hospitals would have noticed (like they did in Italy) we need to act now to prevent spread before we end up in the same situation

Some people on here make it all sound so simple. Stay at home and self isolate, order shopping online etc.

That shopping has to be picked and packed. Someone has to deliver it. They also may need to self isolate - their health is just as important. So online shopping in the way it operates now is not a given.

None of this is simple. Economically it could be disastrous. I say this as someone who has already lost work and future income (self employed) and is also concerned about self and family becoming ill.

thank you, I will ask him. He will make a face I suspect.

@wheresmymojo they are hardly going to prewarn a lock down unless they want panic buying etc

Ciwirocks when I took DD to hospital yesterday (in Surrey) it was by far the worse I had ever seen it. The Porter said that it had ramped up with potential Coronavirus cases over the last couple of days but he wasnt sure if they were testing or not. So I am not entirely unconvinced that it isnt.

That said yesterday was due to the fact she tumbled down the stairs, got confused double vision and violently sick 3 times so needed a CT scan. She has spent all day at home recovering from concussion so it did get into perspective that literally anything can take you out

Sky News - The NHS is "resilient and ready" apparently.

JUST IN: The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in Italy totals 888, including 21 deaths and 46 patients who have recovered - official t.co/BKluFpYK4D

Neil Ferguson said in his latest video that he believed Iran must have 10s of thousands of cases to warrant their death rate, and Italy in the 1000s too.

The fact that NZ's 1st confirmed case was an inbound traveller from Iran says it all. True, NZ does have economic and education links with Iran, but not enormous links. NZ does have enormous links with China, and very large links with HK, Japan, South Korea and other affected east Asian nations. Statistically speaking, unless Iran was groaning beneath massive coronavirus infection, NZ's first case would not have come from there.

Yet it unexpectedly has.

ofwarren

That death to completed case ratio (at least on hospital admissions) is alarming.

Very similar to MERS.

Where is our report?? I know they update each case separately but I just worry that there is something going to be said with it being this late.

@LuluBellaBlue yes I am having the same.tgiughts as you. We were going to book a week away somewhere (probably spain) for the Easter holidays but have made a definite decision to scrap it. That way, we have made the decision and have a bit of control over the situation. I don't fancy being quarentined with a child.

Iran's numbers can't be relied upon. They're not testing enough people outside of the severe cases.

The best numbers to rely on are South Korea at the moment - they're very transparent and have done a lot of testing.

I do think advising people who had been to Northern Italy to stay home for 2 weeks might have been sensible. I do think schools are getting conflicting advice re this. In the school where I teach, one family went on holiday to Northern Italy, near but not in one of the hotspot areas. The advice was for these children to stay home for 2 weeks. However, for larger school groups, the advice is that they should attend school, unless they are showing symptoms. IMO, if any students start showing symptoms, it'll be too late as they could have already spread the virus to several people. We're talking about students who are mostly old enough to stay home alone, and a relatively small number of teachers.

From the way there was a sudden jump in cases in Italy, I think it's clear the virus was being spread to a lot of people before it was detected. Before this, I wasn't too worried, but now it does feel like similar outbreaks could happen in any European country, and our government seems not to be taking things as seriously as it could.

It would be really simple to e.g. advise against travel to all of Northern Italy, and allow people to get money back on holidays! I'd also consider advising against travel to affected regions in Germany.

I do think these are all things that could be easily done, without much economic impact, and without causing panic, but are sensible precautions.

The Iran numbers then must be a good indication of severe cases and death rate rather than overall death rate

The suggestions that it is rife in Iran must be teue

They are all passing through Milan Airport. Does it matter whether they have been to the exact town when they are all mixing at airports.

It beggers belief.

Italy reports 166 new cases of coronavirus and 4 new deaths, raising total to 821 cases and 21 deaths t.co/eUoE2b20hL

The nhs isn't ready. It's got no capacity to be ready. The service will do its best of course. Men and women will front up for work knowing their protection from illness is limited at best and will go above and beyond to save lives. But you're talking about an under funded, under staffed, under pressure service facing a pandemic. It's not ready.

Italy have said that they are also going to drop down their testing now to the more serious cases only - so we will likely see less cases but a higher death rate from them too over the coming days.