Ireland - wearing black armbands for a game near October 7th?

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So the Irish football team thought it would be some sort of protest to wear black armbands for their recent mat h against Israel and guess what strangely the Israeli team wore black armbands for the victims of the worst terrorist atrocity in their country. So the Irish were left wearing black armbands for victims of the Israeli Gaza conflict but I guess not the victims of October 7th? No wonder the Israeli players were pissed. Ireland then dress and threw the dummy out the pram by saying they shouldn't be playing Israel again......pretty pathetic.

You can also see how for countries like Ireland October 7th is being erased from history as when they went for their black armband protest they probably very stupidly forgot about the proximity of a day of Israeli national mourning.

Maybe follow the conversation in the round then. NI has been mentioned over and over, by posters on all sides. I was pointing out that the same end result in terms of opinion (anti semitism) can be arrived by different pathways north and south, but that in the place I know best, NI, it's over represented in the public sphere because people who don't agree daren't speak up. Looking at what happened to Robby Keane, I don't think there's a lot more freedom of opinion in the south though. I used a northern expression because it exists- we don't even pretend that people can say what they want!

And I must say I'm fascinated by an Irish poster lecturing an English one (I assume @OpheliaWasntMad is English - not Irish anyway) while being so eager to deny all links with stuff that happens in Northern Ireland the minute it would be a bit awkward for you to consider that we're Irish too - and more importantly perhaps, that if you want reunification ever to happen, you will have to deal with the multiculturalism of unionism being considered Irish as well as nationalism.

All down to you gloria

Ireland does not and will not need to tackle anything. Just because some genocide- supporters say so? Ya right. We are on the right side of History and proud to be. As people keep saying and you keep ignoring, disagreeing with the Israeli governments bombing of Gaza is not antisemitic.

🤣😂🤣😂

Personally I think the problem is racists who abuse players and spit at people. Imagine being so out of control that you can't even peacefully attend and play a football match?

The double standards of the Israeli team calling the Irish team 'ignorant' and 'insensitive' for peacefully protesting while they are making monkey noises and spitting at people is definitely noteworthy but I would say that the real problem is the Israeli team, fans and journalists behavior. Nobody should be abused, racially or otherwise and spat at while doing their job.

Actually I used the term earlier in the thread and got told off 🤣( which happens a lot on here . I’m very arrogant and ignorant apparently) @Neverblackcurrant told me Republican was a loaded term and most people in Republic of Ireland don’t associate with that term now or would view it negatively.

You don't support Remembrance Day ??

I completely agree

( Im actually London Irish Catholic. Both parents Irish from north and south and I visit regularly ( 4+ times a year)
But I know nothing and am very arrogant apparently. )

And there we are …. Just as I thought we’d all reached some sort of consensus on the subject of antisemitism..

I was at university in the south long before the GFA and a lot of people were really weird about "you nordies" as they called us. And a lot of them were sort of scared of us - terrified of contamination. Then they used to complain that "you nordies all stay together!"

It's only since the GFA and peace that some of them have got all brave and are now rewriting history to make out the IRA got civil rights for nationalists in the north.

But I remember how the southern media treated John Hume in the south for daring to even talk to the IRA. Now you'd think they were all best buddies with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, while simultaneously working with the Dalai Lama to bring peace!

“Ireland does not and will not need to tackle anything “

You’re not sticking to the “right thinking “ script @hellomylov3

Gosh you're full of knowledge aren't you?

Too right..here come the reports and deleted posts..

NOT BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT DOES NOT EQUAL ANTISEMITISM....PASS IT ON

Hosting an antisemitism conference does not mean you support the Israeli government.

Respecting Oct 7th by not have pro pal marches on that day does not mean you support the Israeli government.

Treating Irish Jews with decency ( not calling them “baby killers” or daubing offensive graffiti) does not mean you support the Israeli government.

Pass it on

Exactly. The hypocrisy and double standards are staggering.

Backing each other again..laughable 🤣😂
Suppose nobody else is agreeing with you.

So. You support black armbands <that are now apparently for all victims of the conflict not just in gaza> but you don't support poppies to remember all those killed in conflict?

It doesn’t matter how many people agree. ( and I happen to think many people do)
The person telling the truth often doesn’t have the loudest voice.

Yes, I did.
I said Republican would imply terrorist sympathiser where I live, which it would. In my experience, most people around me would never describe themselves as being a republican for that very reason, even if they supported a united Ireland.

I also said ROI and NI were very different places btw. Actually not certain why we’re discussing NI so much on a thread about ROI footballers’ actions, but here we are.

You need to rtft there are plenty who have agreed with the double standards.

However we have gone from there's no anti semitism to yes ireland does have a problem so that's something.

Wearing poppies is not the same as wearing black armbands. English people wear poppies to remember military personnel who died in war. Black armbands are worn to remember and mourn people who died. That's a fact. I'm not getting in to 40 more pages with two diehard posters who will go around the houses to put people in their place.

I’m not pp but, for me, the issue with poppies is not the remembrance aspect at all. The Royal British Legion sell the poppies though, and they support the British military. By buying poppies I’d be supporting an organisation I have no wish to support.
If it were solely in remembrance of the dead of the WWs there’d be absolutely no issue.
No wish to derail the thread here, but just explaining my pov.

Poppies are just for English people but black armbands are for everyone? Is this a new rule as I haven't come across it before?

Have you seen Remembrance Sunday parades? They actually commemorate all those killed from the UK and the Commonwealth not just 'English people'. Google it, you'll find lots of info.

Yes, you are correct, Uk and Commonwealth. Not generally worn in Ireland. My point is they represent military personnel killed in conflict, black armbands are a symbol of mourning for a dead person / people. So asking if people 'support' black armbands, but don't 'support' poppies is kind of a pointless question. They are different symbols. Oh, and I did google (thanks for the tip) "the tradition is most strongly tied to the British Empire's legacy".