Ireland - wearing black armbands for a game near October 7th?

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So the Irish football team thought it would be some sort of protest to wear black armbands for their recent mat h against Israel and guess what strangely the Israeli team wore black armbands for the victims of the worst terrorist atrocity in their country. So the Irish were left wearing black armbands for victims of the Israeli Gaza conflict but I guess not the victims of October 7th? No wonder the Israeli players were pissed. Ireland then dress and threw the dummy out the pram by saying they shouldn't be playing Israel again......pretty pathetic.

You can also see how for countries like Ireland October 7th is being erased from history as when they went for their black armband protest they probably very stupidly forgot about the proximity of a day of Israeli national mourning.

No. Ive had a post deleted on here. You mustn't take it so personally.

They are thugs who most Irish rightly condemn. I have said this several times .

Yes, you have.
And I previously asked why you believed Irish people would be influenced by IRA links with other terrorist groups in that case?

I don’t think you answered that? You say the ‘right’ thing but then contradict yourself with some of your other remarks.

I didn’t misrepresent you. I quoted you. I didn’t and don’t understand what you meant by that quote and why you think IRA links with the PLO would influence most Irish people’s thinking.

'post doesn’t make much sense otherwise'
I'm trying to make you see that wearing black armbands to support a cause is not ok. Whether that is to oppose the ira or support the IDF or support gazans, whatever. Keep the virtue signalling off the footie pitch.

“ why you think IRA links with the PLO would influence most Irish people’s thinking.”
I didn’t say “most people”. It was an example of the link between Ireland/ NI and the issue in Palestine. Sinn Fein and nationalism is another example. The murals are another example.

I say “the right thing” ? What exactly do you mean by that? What is the right thing in your view?

You’re determined to find me guilty of saying the “wrong thing” 🙄

Perhaps part of the problem is that there is too much pressure to say the “right thing”. It’s not a bad thing to be challenged with an alternative view. In my view.

It was an example of the link between Ireland/ NI and the issue in Palestine.
It was also a questioning of/rejection of a pp’s explanation of Ireland’s experience of colonisation, and the famine, as reasons for empathy with a subjugated people.
You said to ‘get over’ the famine iirc.
You offered the terrorist links and influence as an alternative explanation.

Sinn Fein has become popular in ROI only since they’ve managed to dissociate themselves from violence, since the GFA. They’re more popular among younger people who don’t remember the troubles. From what you said upthread you were linking their increase in popularity to a rise in republicanism in ROI. This is not the case.

The murals you describe aren’t in ROI.

Nobody sensible has said there isn’t anti-semitism in Ireland. Unfortunately there is.

We’ve been through all this.

I think the historical examples of antisemitism in Ireland , together with the Republican and Nationalist agenda ( in both ROI and NI) has predisposed many ( not all) Irish to empathise with the Palestinian cause. I think this is a much bigger motivating factor than the Irish famine.
If the Irish famine was a motivating factor one would have expected more support for the Jewish community after the Holocaust. I think Nationalism and the political situation in the north is a big factor.
There are many other crises in the world and the marches and flags show that Ireland is primarily focused on this crisis. For that reason I think the motivation is political ( as well as humanitarian)

Perhaps you could explain what the “wrong thing” to say and “right thing” to say is .

If we’ve been “through all this” - then stop making further accusations about my choice of language . You brought it up by quoting something from several pages ago!

Your thinking is skewed though @OpheliaWasntMad and you won’t listen to the people who actually live here in ROI, so we are at an impasse.
This thread is a waste of time.

Well - I don’t happen to think you can speak for all the people in Ireland. I know Irish people from ROI who share my views. You and the other posters on here are a tiny minority and MN is not the best place to find a range of views as it targets a certain demographic.
You clearly think there is a right way to think about this subject. I think the truth is often a combination of different perspectives.
But you are right - this conversation is a waste of my time and yours.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/14/1233395830/ireland-pro-palestinian
Lots of factors

The Netherlands has banned supporters of Israeli football club Hapoel Be’er Sheva from attending their Europa League match against AZ Alkmaar. Where’s the thread about that?

Do you want to start it? Nothing stopping you.

I think the truth is often a combination of different perspectives.
Well, I agree with that 😁
Thanks for the link.

Sounds like that's because they know they can't keep Israeli fans safe, and fear a repeat of 2 years ago.

Absolutely disgusting isn't it?

So the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans didn’t tear down Palestinian flags, chant anti-Arab and racist slogans, disrupt a minutes silence or set off flares? They were totally innocent in all of this? Just to paint the full picture.

Nope. Not me, but nice try.

the Maccabi fans were the victims of an orchestrated attack. Isn’t it funny how quickly people try to rewrite the narrative.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy81qvn7gjo

Oh yes the poor innocent Maccabi fans who are so well behaved.

Whether they are well behaved or not in Tel Avu. is not the point . They were victims of an orchestrated attack in Amsterdam .

That is so incorrect. They went in acting like entitled hooligans assaulting and vandalising.The locals retaliated and they didn't expect they would be stood up to.

So it wasn’t a provoked attack due to football hooliganism? Sorry that I’m not crying in my beer.

I think when a hotel that was "honoured" to celebrate Saudi Arabia's national day but then cancels a 70-room booking because they've discovered it's for an international conference on combatting anti semitism has proven the need for such a conference.

And the reaction of the Irish media to this shameful behaviour shows that the Herbert Park Hotel is clearly far from the only instance of such antisemitism in Ireland.

https://x.com/HelenDuignan2/status/2110299533024317589

So if your point is that a lot of people in Ireland are anti semitic, sadly you're clearly right. Why that is, IMO, is a lack of understanding of the Northern Ireland situation in the south, and plain old sectarianism in the north. And even there it's not everyone by any means - but the old habit of "whatever you say, say nothing" dies hard in NI.