Ireland - wearing black armbands for a game near October 7th?

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So the Irish football team thought it would be some sort of protest to wear black armbands for their recent mat h against Israel and guess what strangely the Israeli team wore black armbands for the victims of the worst terrorist atrocity in their country. So the Irish were left wearing black armbands for victims of the Israeli Gaza conflict but I guess not the victims of October 7th? No wonder the Israeli players were pissed. Ireland then dress and threw the dummy out the pram by saying they shouldn't be playing Israel again......pretty pathetic.

You can also see how for countries like Ireland October 7th is being erased from history as when they went for their black armband protest they probably very stupidly forgot about the proximity of a day of Israeli national mourning.

The whole thread is riddled with examples of arrogance. Britain doesn’t get to decide NI’s future based on whether it’s financially convenient, and the Good Friday Agreement provides for a border poll.

I think we all know that.
That was the point of the albatross analogy.
I’ve not been called arrogant before, certainly not in real life perhaps I’m just very bad at expressing myself on here 🤷‍♀️. I’m done on here.

You have not been arrogant in the slightest.

It is a fact that those in GB support a unified ireland. The people who don't are those in Ireland and NI yet it's somehow all our fault because colonisation/occupation/famines. Someone even said there is still 'occupation' but didn't say by whom but that is the mindset

Look at the carry on over a march. The sectarianism is so very present still. The day that people in both countries don't know who is Catholic and who is Protestant will be the day they'll move toward a unified ireland.

Until then blame the Brits and atrocities from hundreds of years ago.

I don’t think you should be lecturing people when you have such a limited understanding of the situation @Gloriia.

People prioritising peace and stability rather than reunification isn’t a bad thing.

By the way, there are British people in NI too, not just in GB. The OO do deserve blame for stirring up trouble again.

I'm not lecturing anyone I'm sharing my opinion.

Ireland and Ni need fo stop blaming GB for their ongoing sectarian squabbles and move forward.

I agree things that happened hundreds of years ago were terrible but that goes for every single country.

Ireland and Ni need fo stop blaming GB for their ongoing sectarian squabbles and move forward.
Where have people done that?

It is a fact that those in GB support a unified ireland. The people who don't are those in Ireland and NI
I think some posters were very clear they want a United Ireland but will not push for it if it threatens peace. The unionist community don't. You don't seem to have handle on the situation at all.

Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre etc didn't happened 100s of years ago. A lot of terrible things happened within living memory and a lot of people still feel like they haven't received justice for those terrible things, they still feel grief for their family members who were taken from them, they still feel traumatised by the things that they witnessed and lived through.

Reducing it down to 'sectarian squabbles' and telling people to get over it, thinking British involvement in awful acts ended 100s of years ago, shows that you don't understand at all. You can give your opinion of course but your opinion is clearly not informed by facts.

Warrenpoint didn't happen 100s years ago, Crossmaglen didnt, the very public murder of 2 British army soldiers didn't happen 100s of years ago either. Sadly there were deaths on both 'sides'. I don't know anyone in GB who believes the Bristish army should've ever been sent in to try and stop the sectarian gang warfare. The gfa saw many murderers released so I agree with you the sense of injustice, grief and resentment is very real. It is time to move on though from terrorist murderers.

Ireland will only be unified when they stop the still very real sectarianism and stop blaming GB for everything.

The Garvaghy Road situation didn’t happen in a vacuum . The deaths of the three Quinn children was a huge part of it, they haven’t been forgotten . Yes, sectarianism needs to be tackled, but you can’t just ignore the history of partition, discrimination and British rule in the North. Acknowledging that isn’t blaming Britain for everything, it’s recognising how things got to where they are. You cannot move forward without that happening.

The republic doesn’t even have “sectarian squabbles” The UK and Ireland already had their say about NI. The Good Friday agreement was signed by both parties which offered a peaceful, political path to a united Ireland - that will be decided by the people of NI.

Your post is particularly insulting to people in the North @Gloriia . People on both sides have suffered a lot, there has been pain, injustices. It didn’t happen 100’s of years ago. It’s very recent.

I think there will also have to be consent by the people of ROI, not just NI, when it comes to reunification @Gealach.
While some legal opinion has said a vote in ROI is unnecessary, the general consensus is that it is needed, I believe.

Why is my post insulting? Many British soldiers were murdered by terrorists, the suffering was on all sides. No-one has a monopoly on who can have opinions on this.

It is all so very tenuous, apparently some people want a unified ireland exept those in ireland and unionists in NI yet those in GB seem to get the blame for it. The hate for England is so very palpable, why?

If a march can inflame things as much as it has it really does demonstrate sadly that sectarianism is alive and kicking. Why is the question, in what other country does anyone know or care who are catholics and who are protestants?

But you'll say it goes back to land grabs and famines 100s of years and then in the next breath say it's nothing to do with hundreds of years ago..

Absolutely- Lots of people on both sides suffered. People were murdered by IRA bombs on the mainland. ( someone I know had a narrow escape)
Young working class British from areas with few job opportunities signed up to be in the army and lost their lives.
British families also suffered in this conflict. But perhaps they don’t talk about their suffering as much.

If a march can inflame things as much as it has it really does demonstrate sadly that sectarianism is alive and kicking. Why is the question, in what other country does anyone know or care who are catholics and who are protestants?

Sectarianism is alive and kicking in the north absolutely.

Both Ireland and Britain signed an agreement on a political peaceful path to a united ireland.

Your post is insulting because you said “Ni need fo stop blaming GB for their ongoing sectarian squabbles and move forward.”

I assumed you were saying the entire population of NI should move on. This is insulting to both sides.

Have you actually listened to the Orange men over the last few days?

Or do you not count them as British or something.

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The use of “mainland” by @OpheliaWasntMad says a lot in itself. Ireland isn’t an appendage of Britain, and the conflict didn’t happen in a vacuum. Of course British families suffered, nobody denies that. But British soldiers were part of a state military deployed in Northern Ireland, not just innocent lads caught up in something they had no part in. Irish families suffered decades of violence, discrimination and abuses at the hands of that military. You can acknowledge every victim without stripping away the context or pretending the power imbalance didn’t exist. A lecture about remembering the British side is tone deaf. .

'I assumed you were saying the entire population of NI should move on. This is insulting to both sides'

I'm saying they need to accept the past, stop the Catholic v protestant sectarianism and move on. No idea what is insulting about that.

But then you hear Mary Lou harking back to atrocities in the 90s and realise that will never happen. Yet a pro pal march in Derry all lovely though, I didn't hear her object to that despite that being as offensive to Jews in NI as the orange march was to Garvaghy Road locals. Selective outrage as always.

It’s insulting because the wounds in N.I are still raw, people have died in this life time. And that’s on both sides. And it’s insulting to all of them.

Why are you talking like just one side, is speaking about the past? Do you even understand the tradition of the Orangemen marching?

Anyway - peace won in this case. I think we can all celebrate that.

@Gloriia Your posts come across as totally entrenched in one view point and about as far from moving as you could get.

Accepting the past doesn’t mean pretending it never happened or that the consequences have disappeared. And calling for an end to sectarianism is a bit rich when people are still expected to accept marches through areas where residents see them as triumphalist and intimidating.

I’m not sure @Gloriia realises that the Orangemen are celebrating an event from 1690. Never mind that they are an organisation that is 100% sectarian.

And yet they only talk about Sinn Fein being “stuck in the past”

The wounds for Jews are very raw. So what's with the pro pal marches in Derry? Granted the Jewish population has dwindled and it's no wonder.

Either allow marches or don't. It is so hypocritical for leaders to condemn some but not all.

So do you think all marches in N.I. should be banned then 🤣

What about bonfires? How do you feel about them?

Either allow marches or don't. It is so hypocritical for leaders to condemn some but not all.

Most orange marches are allowed, about 2,500 a year approx.

Either allow marches or don't. It is so hypocritical for leaders to condemn some but not all.
Ah demonstrating your ignorance again with this issue.
There were over 2000 orange order marches in northern Ireland each year. The problem with Garvaghy road wasn't just about marches.....
How about having a look at the images of the 12th of July marches which are allowed and tolerated every year to ensure peace is maintained.

I’ve no time for the bigotry of the Orange Order. And members of my family were victims of the thuggery of Protestant terrorists in the 1970’s .