Is the green party starting to regret it's association with Islamists?

[mids2019]

The green party, ostensibly about climate protection and general progressive values seems to have gotten into bed with Islamist sympathisers and the amount of anti semitism and basic hatred of their own country is now obvious.

The green party now at least locally are known as a party that has sympathies towards all manner of Islamist causes including Hamas's objective to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.

Wouldn't be surprised if they produce a motion declaring climate change a Jewish conspiracy........

I think there’s some people on the left who don’t want a two state solution but on the whole they’ve not been stupid or prejudiced enough to actually say it.

In a way I’m pleased the Greens have said the quiet bit out loud. It shows that ‘from the river to the sea’ means what a lot of us always suspected it means. The annihilation of a sovereign state.

And as for those greens claiming the new position is anti Israel but not anti Jewish in the slightest - it just makes them look really really dim. You don’t need to be a genius or scholar to understand that Israel is integral to Judaism. It’s like saying you want to ban footballs but you have nothing against the game of football and really support it continuing, just without footballs.

The question of whether Israel has committed genocide is not relevant to debates over its right to exist. Anyone who thinks it is needs to also campaign for the dissolving of Russia (war in Ukraine), the USA (colonialism, treatment of native population) and Serbia (genocide of Bosnians).

And that’s just for starters. A hell of a lot of countries have done awful things, but that doesn’t negate their right to exist.

Perhaps just existing in an echo chamber? A recent survey found that almost half of American Jews under the age of 35 support a 1 state solution. It isn't that radical of an idea as Israel take more and more steps towards making Palestine an impossibility.

forward.com/news/827329/poll-american-jews-binational-state-anti-zionism/

lol I don’t think I’m the one living in an echo chamber based on your posts.

Why are you cherry picking one particular demographic? American Jews under the age of 35 aren’t representative of everyone. And as a reminder this is a UK site so the obsession with the US is strange.

Are those advocating for a one state solution a modern sort of hippy who believes that there unity can be brought into peoples though the entire breadth of human history suggests not?

Palestinians want an Islamic state where fundamentally law, societal status and power will be determined by Islam. I don't have the time to reel off the many instances where one ethnic group has subjugated another but it doesn't take a degree in history to know that the Jews historically have been massacred when living in a state that ultimately didn't want them. A Jewish state is about existential survival.

The behaviour of the October 7th terrorists and the manifesto of Hamas should be an easy guide to how Palestinians view Jews and really highlight the near impossibility of a one state solution. The one state referred to by pro Palestinians is an Islamic state may be based on Iran (Hamas funders) that is a non democratic theocracy that would oppress all of other faith.

I think the green party is full of disingenuous people who don't think about human nature as it really is. As well as being informed about climate change you need to informed about the Holocaust (and October 7th)

As well as Islamists that have taken advantage of this naivity.

Well, I don't think that it is plausible that almost half of young Jewish Americans and a quarter of Jewish Americans aren't 'reasonable people' do you?

I didn't say that it was 'representative of everyone', I'm not sure how you got that from my post when my post was quite clear but times are changing. I personally think a two state solution would be the ideal but I'm rational enough to understand that if Israel continue on their current trajectory that will become impossible. Then all that leaves is ethnic cleansing, apartheid or a binational state where everyone has the same rights.

And as a reminder this is a UK site so the obsession with the US is strange.

OK then, less than 50% of British Jews support a 2 state solution. Do you think that more than 50% of British Jews are not in your words 'reasonable people'? Seems a bit harsh to me.

https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports/two-state-solution-dead-exploring-attitudes-jews-uk

Everyone has been yping once and believes the world could be a better at the click of a switch often by aligning themselves to hard left causes while blindly ignoring the mass killing of the USSR, China, Cambodia etc. We have been here before in the 60s/70s.

We then grow up and see the world for what it is. Personally I am so grateful to have been brought up in the democratic developed nation of the UK when I look daily at the horror of the world.

I do think those greens who advocate against climate change rather than destroying the state of Israel should form a new party. Historically I think there have been a for few decent people in the party. Personally I didn't agree with them on all things but climate change reduction seemed a laudable though challenging aim for humanity.

It's all gone now though hasn't it and the few green MPs must be aghast at what has happened to their party and worry about their future status and role in politics.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/05/green-party-england-wales-zionism-racism-vote-europe-germany

Woops. It really has gone wrong.......

@SingingShrews from the UK source you quoted (dated September 2025 so less than 2 years after the Hamas attack on Israel)

• 49% of respondents agree with the two-state solution contention, compared with 54% a year ago, and 78% in 2010.
• Despite the reported drop, support for the two-state solution remains the majority opinion among British Jews, as 41% disagree with it and 10% are not sure.
• Younger Jews are found to be less likely to believe in the two-state solution than their elders, with over 40% of 16-29-year-olds showing a degree of support for a shared bi-national state.
• Attitudes to support for the two-state solution correlate with Jews’ Jewish denominational positions, political allegiances and attitudes to Zionism.
• Anti-Zionist Jews, who constitute a small minority of British Jews as a whole, are particularly likely to favour bi-nationalism over the two-state solution. The much larger, mainstream and orthodox communities overwhelmingly reject this position, but show considerable scepticism for the two-state solution, most likely on security grounds.
• British Jews overwhelmingly reject the idea that ‘Israel should take over full control of Gaza.’

https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports/two-state-solution-dead-exploring-attitudes-jews-uk

Mids there is a long thread you might be interested in about this on the Politics board.

And? To quote you 'Honestly, I thought every reasonable person wanted a two state solution.'

As you are finding out there are many reasons that one may not support a two state solution. It doesn't mean that they are all not 'reasonable people' as you first thought. It just means that they have a different opinion to you.

I just found your post to be incredibly unfair and lacking in any type of nuance. It reminded me of a video I saw last week from an American Jew who was speaking openly and honestly about their feelings. They seemed very reasonable and like they had thought deeply about the issue. That is why I first used the American stats, not because I have an 'obsession with the US' but because I listen to the views of lots of different people, their views don't become invalid because of where they are geographically located. It's quite important in my view to listen to more than parochial opinions.

Like I said I think that a two state solution would be the ideal but I think it's important to listen to those with different viewpoints and not immediately write them off as not being reasonable people or dismiss them because they don't live around the corner from you.

No need to exaggerate that they “don’t live round the corner from me”.

The US is a country a long way from the UK and I find the obsession with it weird on MN.

The British Jews study is more interesting. The under 50% percentage is surprising to me admittedly, though it was taken less than 2 years after 7/10/23 so heightened security concerns on the Jewish side are not surprising.

At the end of the day, I won’t change my opinion that the 2 state solution is the most reasonable one. Nevertheless I take your point that my wording was too blunt and didn’t allow for nuances.

@mids2019, "The behaviour of the October 7th terrorists and the manifesto of Hamas should be an easy guide to how Palestinians view Jews and really highlight the near impossibility of a one state solution."

Do you think there might be any possible reason the Palestinians have a problem with Israelis? A homeland for Jews with people of all religions living with equal rights, dignity and self determination was Hertzl's vision for Israel before the terrorists Ben Gurion, Begin and Yitzakh Shamir hijacked his dream by expelling and brutally oppressing the indigenous population. Other than Saudi, Islamism grew as a result of Israel's oppression of the Palestinians and the West's unconditional support for the Zionist state. Pro Israelis keep banging on about Israel's right to exist, a ridiculous concept as countries don't have rights, people have rights, but hey let's run with it. What about Palestine's right to exist? I am sick of hearing the victim card being claimed while systematically trying to eradicate the Palestinians, historically, culturally and physically. It is so hypocritical it would be laughable if it wasn't so horrendous.

Other than Saudi, Islamism grew as a result of Israel's oppression of the Palestinians and the West's unconditional support for the Zionist state.

Why on earth do you believe this? Islamism is expansionist by its very nature.

And Christianity isn't. What about the Greater Israel project. Go and look at some pictures of Muslim countries in the 50's and 60's. Modern Islamism has grown as a reaction to Western hegemony in the region. The hijab has become a cultural symbol of unity. The more Islamophobia grows in the West, the more moderate Muslims are going to coalesce around the religion.

A very specific diaspora demographic that doesn't live in the region having an opinion on what's feasible for Israelis doesn't make it a realistic policy.

If you look at actual polling on the ground, support for a binational single state among Israeli Jews is around 1%.

Quoting comfortable onlookers in the West doesn't change the reality of what the people actually living there want.

With all your whataboutery, you forgot to answer the actual question.

All you've done is re-state your unsubstantiated claim.

Do you know the difference between Islamism and Islam?

I suspect definitions are subjective. What I do believe is that if someone tells you to hurt or kill another human 'because God', that you are a tool of someone smarter and more wicked.

If they tell you to kill or be killed that is a somewhat different argument.

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you making some kind of veiled comparison between Israelis and Palestinians?

Yes. Are you ever going to answer the question?

I was referring to humanity as a whole actually. Which side would you prefer me to dehumanise?

What has your question go to do with the rise of modern day Islamism? Some radical Islamists, like ISIS, definitely want to expand a radical form of Islamism by violence and some are more moderate and want to argue for the political spread of Islamism. Unless you don't understand the difference between Islamism and Islam, I really don't see the point of your question.