Is the green party starting to regret it's association with Islamists?

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The green party, ostensibly about climate protection and general progressive values seems to have gotten into bed with Islamist sympathisers and the amount of anti semitism and basic hatred of their own country is now obvious.

The green party now at least locally are known as a party that has sympathies towards all manner of Islamist causes including Hamas's objective to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.

Wouldn't be surprised if they produce a motion declaring climate change a Jewish conspiracy........

You‘re still deflecting.
If you’re supporting a one-state solution, do you think Jews will be safe there, and if so, what makes you think that?

I believe that the vast majority of Palestinians are fed up and just want to live as normal human beings. As long as they really believe that they will get a truly equal life, I believe they would grab it with both hands. Can I guarantee it. Of course not but there is a precedent which reinforces that. After the Oslo accords, they believed there was a chance that there was going to finally to be a solution. Palestinian police would arrest suspected terrorists and hand them over to the IDF. The thing is, almost the whole world sees Israel's treatment of the Palestinians as inhuman and barbaric. Israel's international reputation is probably irreparably destroyed now and it is only going to get worse as their traditional support dies off to be replaced by a younger generation. Keeping millions of people subjugated and oppressed with no path to self determination is unsustainable, let alone immoral. Something is going to have to give.

I can believe that the majority of Palestinians want to live a normal life as human beings. That doesn’t mean there aren’t more than enough people among them (Hamas, but also various other armed factions), who actively wish severe harm to Jews.

Those who participated in the October 7th attacks clearly did not have a peaceful, normal life for ordinary Palestinians as their goal.
It was entirely obvious that an atrocity of that scale would bring down catastrophic, severe consequences on the population of Gaza, yet they chose to launch it anyway.

If Hamas and similar groups don’t even care about the safety and survival of fellow Gazans, it is incredibly naive to assume that millions of Jews would be safe sharing a single country with them. Why would Israelis ever agree to that? It would be mad to do so.

You've just answered your own question. At the moment the Palestinian people can't turn on the radical Hamas members who care nothing for them. But with Israeli support, if they believed a genuine freedom and equality was being offered. Hamas would be rounded up in a day.

Well yes it does sound like Jews were treated badly as he reneged on his agreement and seized their assets. I can’t see how you think that is a killer argument. The Jews made lots of money and then had it stolen from them - that’s kind of my point.

Evidence of Palestinians wanting to live in peace is a bit tricky to find. Lebanon has legal restrictions on Palestinians owning land, Egypt and Jordan also have significant legal restrictions and Kuwait and Libya have both expelled thousands of Palestinians. Not much evidence of being peaceful even within states of fellow Arabs.

Gaza is governed by a death cult encouraging children to become martyrs. What's more there is to say?

Rounded up by whom, exactly? Apart from Hamas, there are numerous other armed militant factions operating in Gaza, and we saw plenty of "ordinary civilians" actively cross the border to join in on the atrocities of October 7th.

There were also civilians in Gaza hiding Israeli hostages in their family homes, refusing to give them up even when Israel offered a 5-million-dollar reward per hostage and a guaranteed safe passage out of Gaza for the informant and their family.

If the general population just wants to live peacefully, why didn’t they try to build a functioning, prosperous society when Israel completely withdrew its forces and dismantled every single Jewish settlement in 2005?

I know you claimed before that a blockade was implemented immediately upon that withdrawal, but in reality, that didn’t happen until two years later in 2007.

The blockade was only put in place after Hamas violently seized control in Gaza, overthrew the Palestinian Authority and began launching indiscriminate rocket campaigns across the border.

Expecting Israelis to bet their survival on the hope that these same factions will magically be ‚rounded up in a day‘ is pure fantasy.

Yes, that's what counts as being 'treated well' for Jews. Little wonder that Israel has such a seige mentality!

Please read what my posts say. I clearly said it was totally unfair for the Jews to become victims of a geopolitical issue which happened in another country. I think part of it was also frustration that Israel won the war.

That's because they are classed as refugees. They were never meant to be assimilated as they have their own country.

Again not really. Syrians for example can buy land in Jordan and Lebanon. There are specific laws relating to stateless people to exclude Palestinians. It’s not an accident, it could be changed. Many other groups have moved and been assimilated.
Arab countries have systematically changed laws and excluded Palestinians because when they have been in their countries they have organised coups and fermented political disagreements and often violence.

Absolutely, frustration that Israel won. But as you said if the Iraqis really believed the Jews who had lived in their country for centuries were ‘real’ Iraqis they wouldn’t have needed to leave.
This is the key bit - the Iraqis didn’t see the Jews as really belonging, they wanted the money but not the people. That is why Israel needs to exist because all the surrounding countries don’t really want any non Muslims in their population, especially Jews.
Jews have tried Europe they have tried to live in Middle Eastern countries and despite words and good faith on their part (as in the books you mention) the other people don’t really want them and will turn on them if they dislike geopolitical events. Hence Israel.

Their refugee status is only half the story. Arab states restricted and expelled Palestinians because armed factions repeatedly destabilised their hosts.

In 1970, the PLO triggered a bloody civil war in Jordan by trying to overthrow the monarchy.
In Lebanon, they built an armed state-within-a-state that helped spark a 15-year civil war.
Kuwait expelled over 300,000 Palestinians in 1991 as direct retaliation after the PLO leadership openly backed Saddam Hussein's brutal invasion of their country.

They are an oddball party but certainly seem to have caught the attention of the young. Polenski is a twat and seems to have it in for Jews whilst claiming to be Jewish himself. His view about taxing the ‘rich’ seemed trite and then he got caught not paying council tax. First he didn’t think he needed to, then that he had forgot and then finally he was financially challenged.

Maybe he one of those who thinks tax is only for others to pay.

I give up. It doesn't matter whether there is a path for peace. Metrics from Israeli polls have shown zero empathy for Palestinians. Gideon Levi said it best in his The 3 Reasons Israelis Accept the Occupation speech.

Israel will only accept two scenarios for the Palestinians. The preferable one is expulsion but if no other country is willing to indulge their ethnic cleansing then it must be total subjugation, isolation and oppression eventually leading to a creeping genocide. I honestly believe that as a result of Israel corralling 2 million people into a third of what was one of the most densely populated places on earth, it will result in a devastating epidemic come the winter. Whether that pathogen is already dormant or will be introduced, possibly by aid workers entering the area, it will run unchecked throughout the remaining malnourished population with reduced immunity and for whom medical aid is inaccessible due to the blockade. The WHO has already expressed huge concerns about this.

The West Bank is being shamelessly annexed totally ignoring International law. Southern Lebanon is being seized without any repercussions. It will be declared a "buffer zone", much like the West Bank was called after the 1967 war until such a time that settlers are moved in. Same goes for Syrian Land and who knows what else to follow.

In the meantime Israel will continue to ring its Pavolovian bell to the tune of Hamas, Human Shields, ancestral homeland, antisemitism, self defense, tiny country, we only want peace, etc, etc, expecting the world to start salivating in sympathy. No. I'm sorry, but the aggressor cannot claim the victim card in this situation. Theodor Hertl had a dream, a beautiful dream, but it got turned into an ugly reality by terrorist thugs like Stern, Begin and Shamir, who had no empathy for human life. Current Israeli politicians like Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Katz and the corrupt Netanyahu, to name just a few, are simply fulfilling that ethnosupremacist legacy of violent oppression. Whatever happens to Israel in terms of an international response, from governments or from the proletariat, they deserve it.

In other words,not many Arab states want them.

Isn't it awful when an entire population are being persecuted and countries who could help them refuse to do so. Isn't that awful.

@Squeezingwildoranges "After the Oslo accords, they believed there was a chance that there was going to finally to be a solution".

Israel—under Prime Minister Ehud Barak—offered sweeping territorial compromises at the 2000 Camp David Summit, which Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat rejected without offering a counter-proposal, collapsing the peace framework.
Also, militant groups such as Hamas, which rejected the recognition of Israel and the Oslo framework from the beginning, carried out campaigns aimed at derailing the peace process.

"Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well." Shlomo Ben Ami. Israel's Minister of Foreign Affairs and a key negotiator at the Camp David Summit.

This is because they pose a huge security risk. No one wants to bring terrorism and radical ideology to their home.

Ben-Ami also argued that the 2000 Camp David talks failed because Palestinian demands extended beyond what any Israeli government could accept—particularly regarding a "right of return" for 1948 refugees—though he later evaluated that rejecting the subsequent Clinton Parameters was the historic turning point that ended prospects for a two-state solution.

Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s government accepted the parameters as a basis for negotiation, while attaching specific reservations.
Chairman Yasser Arafat expressed deep reservations and effectively rejected or stalled on core aspects—such as the percentage of land swaps, the division of Jerusalem, and limits on the refugee right of return.