Is the green party starting to regret it's association with Islamists?

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The green party, ostensibly about climate protection and general progressive values seems to have gotten into bed with Islamist sympathisers and the amount of anti semitism and basic hatred of their own country is now obvious.

The green party now at least locally are known as a party that has sympathies towards all manner of Islamist causes including Hamas's objective to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.

Wouldn't be surprised if they produce a motion declaring climate change a Jewish conspiracy........

מִכָּל אָדָם, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: מִכָּל מְלַמְּדַי

Somehow, I doubt it.

Sorry to contradict you again but the blockade was in place from 2005. It was declared a permanent blockade in 2007. Calling 'Mowing the Grass' a defensive measure is just Israeli propaganda. You cannot lock two million people in an airtight blockade, deny them freedom of movement, control their caloric intake, periodically flatten their civilian infrastructure, and then claim you are the one acting in self defense. It was a always a policy of containment and collective punishment, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

I would normally say a person is seriously grasping with a response like that but I'm guessing you're seeing something few others can. A bit like Trump.

Don't think you understand the saying

You make a lot of presumption about people that don't agree with you

Thought you didn't like insults

Shame wasn't it

That doesn’t disprove my initial point about the Ben Gurion quote you’ve posted.
Why mention Deir Yassin, but not the Arab revolts of 1929 and 1936 that forged Ben Gurion’s change of mind?

I am an optimist

And declare, 'The truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Indeed, falsehood is bound to vanish.'" — Surah Al-Isra 17:81

Ben Gurion explained his opinion about the revolts in the quote I gave you. He knew he was stealing their land and understood their reaction. He understood that what they were doing was totally unfair to the Palestinians.

You presume I make presumptions whereas I assess people who don't agree with me. I assess that you are capable of making interesting arguments. Unfortunately, I assess you are no longer, at this moment, measuring and articulating your arguments as well as you could. Maybe we should leave it for now. Got a busy day tomorrow.

Well, there’s not much point debating if you keep twisting statements to suit your narrative and disregard everything else as ‘Israeli propaganda’.

I was responding to your post where you asked: ‘How were they supposed to make Gaza prosperous when they were under a land, sea and air blockade.’

The land, sea, and air blockade wasn’t implemented in 2005 – that is a fact.

You also keep ignoring the part the Palestinian side played in this conflict. The blockade didn’t happen out of nowhere, it was imposed in direct response to Hamas being elected and launching immediate terror attacks.

Would the population have been locked down inside Gaza if they hadn't elected a terrorist group determined to destroy their neighbours? Who knows.

But the fact remains that they did receive billions in international aid, which their elected government sadly chose to spend on attack tunnels and weapons instead of building a prosperous state.

Which specific claim she's made do you think is false?

Why don't you link to all the posts you made criticising Egypt for blockading Gaza while Israel was providing power and water to it?

Facts are facts. The blockade was in place immediately after Israel pulled out of Gaza. It was affirmed as permanent in 2007 when Hamas was elected. Those are facts and if you want to prove me wrong, go for it. You will hear two stories about why Israel pulled out of Gaza. The magnanimous version where Israel wanted to let the Gazans have the opportunity to create their own Dubai or the version that it was too logistically difficult to protect 9000 settlers living in an environment which was naturally hostile to them so it would be better to pull them out and then turn the entire strip into an open air prison. Believe it or not, I understand the whole idea of Zionism, the original version. It was never supposed to be what it is today. The persecuted Ashkenazim were supposed to return to Zion and share their knowledge with the indigenous population to the benefit of all living in a secular but safe land for Jews. Everyone with equal rights and freedom. It was actually a utopian idea which I wish had happened. Unfortunately, militant Jews like Tehomi, Stern and Jabotinsky didn't want that. Ben Gurion tried to compromise at first believing in Herzl's idea, but soon gave up under pressure from his party and the nutters in the Irgun. I have often wondered whether if the Palestinians had not resisted giving up the land, a natural reaction by the way, whether things would have been different now. I do not think they would have been. I believe the plan is eventually, Greater Israel.

'Green Party leaders have “questions to answer” regarding the safety and security of their Jewish members, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood told MPs.

Speaking in the House of Commons after the passing of the “Zionism is racism” motion, Mahmood warned elected Green Party councillors: “Every council, regardless of who is the political party running that council, has to follow the law, and the law will not allow any prejudicial treatment of any of our citizens based on their protected characteristics, whether their race or their religion.”'

I never realised Egypt were so horrendous to the Palestinians while Israel was bending over backwards to make sure they were so happy and comfortable.

Copied from The New Arab

“If this election had taken place a few months ago, when Keir Starmer was Prime Minister and the Greens still at their peak, the result would likely have looked very different,” Luke Tryl, UK Director of More in Common, told The New Arab.

“The result backs up what has been seen in the national opinion polls: Labour's support has risen and the Greens' popularity has dipped,” Mitya Pearson, associate professor at the University of Warwick, told The New Arab.

“This does not mean that the Labour Party can now ignore the Greens; clearly there is a group of voters on the left who are willing to defect away from Labour if they don't feel listened to,” she added. “However, Labour have arrested a lot of the Greens' previous momentum by changing leader.”

The Greens’ ability to sustain that pressure on Labour may now be complicated by their own divisions over the conference motion declaring “Zionism is Racism”. Passed on 4 October by 1,022 to 813, it commits the party to an explicitly anti-Zionist position and a single state.

Polanski missed the vote while campaigning and has since said he would have opposed it. The chair of Jewish Greens, meanwhile, has called for his resignation, while four of the party’s five MPs publicly opposed the motion.

Combined with criticism from Jewish organisations and the European Green Party’s distancing, the split risks fracturing the broader progressive coalition the Greens need if they are to keep pressuring Labour.
The move would appeal to many pro-Palestine voters. But along with showing divisions within the party, British political analysts suggest the motion had made Polanski and the Greens more polarising across the broader electorate.

It would still be premature to link the motion as the cause of the Holborn defeat. YouGov had already documented weakening Green support before the conference vote, and its effect in this constituency requires evidence from voters rather than assumptions based on timing.

UK Greens boycott The Telegraph over 'racist, antisemitic' caricature of Zack Polanski, Mothin Ali

Apparently now they are worried about people being racist to Jews

Note when you see this story about many will show antisemitism separately to racism. This is because they don't see Jew hate as racism. Antisemitism is only called out when it suits whatever narrative right or left are peddling at the time. If it goes against their narrative they will dismiss it

The cartoon itself is vulgar to me. I see it as a Charle Hesbo type political cartoon which is not my thing really. We don't need to go there to show the looney side of things I think.

Owen Jones camped for zippy apparently. I didn't see this until tonight.

Imagine thinking you could win if that guy endorsed you. Whole think was doomed before even got to the ballot box.

Anyone who steps into the Israel/ Palestine argument is nuts.
I'm 70 and it has gone on forever and how will it be resolved - impossible for everyone to be happy. And who is going to step in and police it if there is a 'settlement' - not the pro Israeli US, and no one else has the troops or will.
Even the middle eastern muslim countries won't touch it.
As long as pro military groups are running parts of it. Like Afghanistan - it's unfixable.

You may be right @Smokeywater

Though I would like to see a two state solution one day, it does seem further away than ever. Even on Mumsnet the issue causes huge arguments and bad feeling. Very hard to see it ever being resolved.

I wouldn’t say “horrendous”, they just enforce their border. Whats horrendous is the double standard but I’m glad to hear you’re starting to understand this and will be taking steps in future to correct it.

I think there is a lot to your point of view especially as I am in my 50s. One thing that is different though for this generation is the international movement against Jews which I think is partly down to internet agitation and the fact we have had mass migration to this country since my youth including those with horrendously anti Semitic world views. We see the take over of the greens as a symptom of this.

We also have young people sadly open to indoctrination by Islamist movements thinking there is some black and white picture in a region of historical conflict which sadly when you look at it does seem to book down to a disproportionate focus on Gaza motivated by deep seated hatred of Jews often faith based.

If you insist on commenting on way posts are written rather than the content people will start to laugh at you. I certainly am.
And it’s a shame as you are doing a good job against lots of people who disagree with you. Too many pro pals debate the debate and you’re doing it because you are surrounded by it and I don’t think you need to.

What is the point of posting this to me. Did you even look at what I was responding to. The poster in question used many ad hominem attacks against me so I was responding appropriately. Now you've suddenly jumped in out of nowhere and done exactly the same thing. Perhaps you should consider posting relevant content to me.