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Conflict in the Middle East

Worrying reports of Iran attacks on Kuwait and wider regional tensions

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Ihatetomatoes · 23/07/2026 23:26

Iran is firing at various countries tonight, Saudi and Kuwait.

Kuwait confirms its main border crossing with Iraq has come under repeated attack.

Seems Iran wants to drag in other countries. Hitting a border crossing between Iraq and Kuwait isn't US targets.

It doesn't feel like the situation is improving at all. I feel for the people in the middle of this.

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CormorantWings · 25/07/2026 05:27

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 02:41

I reckon you really should explain end times, especially the US evangelical version. That is a large chunk of Trumps base after all, and his Cabinet people. Hegseth being a high profile example. That is a major reason they want this war.

Michelle Bachmann, former US congresswoman and Presidential candidate explained it all very well on Israeli radio during a visit in 2015.

Michele Bachmann: Convert ‘as many Jews as we can’ | The Times of Israel

Natanyahu is very good at capturing the Raptureists on this. Even though the Evangelicals want to see him and every other non Christian burn in hell while they, the evangelicals, play board games and listen to Kid Rock for eternity with their version of Jesus.

Even GW Bush used it as part justification for his Iraq war. Gog and Magog. The bringing of end times.

That's honestly very disturbing.

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 05:39

CormorantWings · 25/07/2026 05:27

That's honestly very disturbing.

Hopefully @GentleSheep can give us some numbers. My net is restricted on much of this stuff.

From memory, Trumps base is 30-35% of voters, And most of them are evangelicals. And it is something like 20-25% of Americans believe Trump will bring the end of times.

They want to see the world primed so Jesus can come back, kill everything, and take them to heaven. Variations of. And this is the same God that Iran, an actual theocracy, has.

roses2 · 25/07/2026 06:51

Twiglets1 · 24/07/2026 20:50

Starmer also allowed the US to use UK bases for "defensive" purposes ... the UK stance has not changed.

The news search I did yesterday doesn't say defense purposes, it implies Burnham said UK bases can be used to attack.

Or is this the press twisting words again!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/burnham-trump-iran-war-raf-miliband-b3020946.html
Andy Burnham has done a U-turn to help Trump – and nobody has noticed

Twiglets1 · 25/07/2026 06:58

roses2 · 25/07/2026 06:51

The news search I did yesterday doesn't say defense purposes, it implies Burnham said UK bases can be used to attack.

Or is this the press twisting words again!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/burnham-trump-iran-war-raf-miliband-b3020946.html
Andy Burnham has done a U-turn to help Trump – and nobody has noticed

That article is behind a paywall but from the headline, they are just exaggerating things to grab reader interest.

In reality, Andy Burnham has not made any changes to what Starmer was allowing when he was PM.

Both PMs claim the US can use UK bases for "defensive" purposes only - but whether the purpose is actually defensive, or in some cases offensive, is debatable.

JadeHare · 25/07/2026 08:47

This was in the Independent:

““The UK’s approach to the conflict remains the same – we are committed to defending our people, our interests and our allies, acting in accordance with international law and not getting drawn into the wider conflict.”
That last bit is a puzzle, though: in which “wider conflict” are we not involved, as US bombers take off from Fairford in Gloucestershire and Diego Garcia in the British Indian Ocean Territory to strike targets in Iran?
And what happens if President Trump carries out his wild threat last week to blow up power plants and bridges “next week” unless the IRGC “get to the table and negotiate”? That would also blow up the argument that the American strikes are “defensive”.
Burnham and Miliband, advised by Reeves, would then have to withdraw permission again to use British bases.
So far, though, the new prime minister has got away with a pragmatic policy of quiet cooperation with the US administration without provoking anti-American protesters to take to the streets. Burnham’s big tent, his coalition of left and centre, is still intact – for now.”

Excerpt From
“Voices: Andy Burnham has done a U-turn to help Trump – and nobody has noticed”
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Voices: Andy Burnham has done a U-turn to help Trump – and nobody has noticed — The Independent

Permitting US planes to use RAF airbases to strike Iran flies in the face of British public opinion, as well as the foreign secretary’s long-held caution over military intervention, says John Rentoul – but it neatly highlights the bind that the new pri...

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Ihatetomatoes · 25/07/2026 09:02

MissyB1 · 24/07/2026 19:19

I already told you - Iran shouldn’t have been invited to! When you square up to someone and punch them in the face be prepared for anything they might do in retaliation. Will you admit it was all totally predictable? I hold America and Israel totally responsible for anything that happens in this war, they wanted it! They knew full well what all possible consequences were, they still decided to start it. They didn’t give a shit about any consequences.

Iran has been fighting a war for a long time before DT came along, using proxies.

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Ihatetomatoes · 25/07/2026 09:06

Secretseverywhere · 24/07/2026 19:59

Completely agree. Tbh I do understand the wanting to attack the regime in Iran. I don’t believe the Israel Gaza conflict will ever be resolved whilst they extend their influence through Hamas. I feel for the Gazans as they are being used as political pawns by people who don’t give a fuck about them. The same goes for the Lebanese and Yemeni. Ordinary civilians who are kept poor and suffering by satellite groups of Iran.

That said I don’t think the U.S. can win, it’s like Afghanistan you could pour in endless resources and the minute you leave the whole thing just bounces back.

Totally. The people's of those are pawns used by their respective terrorist groups.

Yes also agree.

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MissyB1 · 25/07/2026 09:07

Ihatetomatoes · 25/07/2026 09:02

Iran has been fighting a war for a long time before DT came along, using proxies.

And Israel has been using their state backed terrorists (they call them settlers) for years too. But no one suggests going to war with Israel? The double standards annoy me. Anyway are you actually trying to defend this war? Really?

Ihatetomatoes · 25/07/2026 09:08

Bringemout · 24/07/2026 20:04

I also think theres only so much time during which you can scream death to xy and z whilst fueling proxies that harm those countries and their interests before they start paying very close attention to you. The reality is they use proxies so they can deny involvement, but it is no different to killing amercans or israelis yourself. Hell they helped to kill between 500k- and a million syrians but for some people they are still the good guys. and then I see people on twitter hopping mad that syrians stopped arms being smuggled to hezbollah, theres a reason Syrians hate Hezbollah and it’s completely justified.

The simplified view of west bad and east good doesn’t fit here. It’s easy to digest as a worldview but it’s completely wrong and ignores the reality of the middle east and it’s complex history.

Heres another one for the IRGC lovers, during the iran iraq war they would hang keys around the necks of small boys and tell them if they died they would go straight to heaven and then they sent them out to trigger landmines. It’s one of the most horrendous things I have ever heard.

This is why I don’t understand the whole “israel is uniquely evil” spiel, it’s like people have never read anything about the way arabs and iranians have fought or behaved in the past. One thing you never see with israelis, they don’t strap bombs to their children and send them out, they don’t use them as mine clearance, they don’t use them to dig tunnels and then leave them there when it collapses, they don’t marry them off at 9, they don’t say it’s fine when our children die because we can just make more. This shit horrifies normal arabs and Iranians too, all of it, but because of “the resistance” more people turn a blind eye to it than should. Israel becomes the excuse to inflict untold harm to so many people. Iran has killed way more arabs than israel ever has, that should tell you something.

The IRGC going is the best thing that can happen for the entire region frankly.

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"Heres another one for the IRGC lovers, during the iran iraq war they would hang keys around the necks of small boys and tell them if they died they would go straight to heaven and then they sent them out to trigger landmines. It’s one of the most horrendous things I have ever heard."

OMG that's inhumane. Is nothing too low for them.

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Twiglets1 · 25/07/2026 09:14

MissyB1 · 25/07/2026 09:07

And Israel has been using their state backed terrorists (they call them settlers) for years too. But no one suggests going to war with Israel? The double standards annoy me. Anyway are you actually trying to defend this war? Really?

Much as I am against the settlers, I don't think they can realistically be compared to Hamas, Hezbollah etc. They don't start wars for one thing - they stay in one region where they form illegal settlements.

Ihatetomatoes · 25/07/2026 09:17

MissyB1 · 25/07/2026 09:07

And Israel has been using their state backed terrorists (they call them settlers) for years too. But no one suggests going to war with Israel? The double standards annoy me. Anyway are you actually trying to defend this war? Really?

Not defending it, pointing out that Iran has been fighting a war through its proxies for a long time (longer than DT has been president).

Are you disputting that fact.

Pretty much everyone knows Hamas, Hezbollah and The Houthis are proxies of Iran. I'd have thought you knew that too.

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DeterminedRat · 25/07/2026 09:26

Twiglets1 · 25/07/2026 09:14

Much as I am against the settlers, I don't think they can realistically be compared to Hamas, Hezbollah etc. They don't start wars for one thing - they stay in one region where they form illegal settlements.

It's hard to start a war when the people you choose to terrorise arent allowed an army to defend themselves.

Twiglets1 · 25/07/2026 09:46

DeterminedRat · 25/07/2026 09:26

It's hard to start a war when the people you choose to terrorise arent allowed an army to defend themselves.

I guess what you mean is that the Settlers don't need to start a war to get what they want.

This is true. They don't need to start a war, they don't start a war, what they do is form illegal settlements and terrorise local people.

They are despicable. I just don't see that they are comparable to Hamas and Hezbollah who actively start wars to get what they want. Which they know they can't win but they are prepared to forfeit human life to make a political point.

Having made the point and got the attention of the world they still won't withdraw and allow for the reconstruction of Gaza - go figure.

GentleSheep · 25/07/2026 10:13

@RedTagAlan It's quite disturbing to compare this war with GW Bush's war on Iraq and the role of his beliefs, then looking at what Trump is doing and his beliefs. Like history repeating itself.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/george-bush-iraq-war-religious-crusade-saddam-hussein-5Hjd7ck_2/

Someone's PhD thesis on the topic!

https://repository.digital.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/709819

American approval for Trump is falling. A recent Washington Ipsos poll showed just 15% of Americans strongly support Trump, compared to 27% in Feb 2025.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/17/politics/trump-maga-base-shrinking

As for the religious 'end times' scenario that is supposedly playing out, well Trump's cabinet seems dominated by the NAR people. I have to say I see strong parallels with the IRGC 'bring the Mahdi' belief! Both sides trying to manipulate God, apparently.

https://theconversation.com/new-apostolic-reformation-evangelicals-see-trump-as-gods-warrior-in-their-battle-to-win-america-from-satanic-forces-and-christianize-it-243002

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 11:02

GentleSheep · 25/07/2026 10:13

@RedTagAlan It's quite disturbing to compare this war with GW Bush's war on Iraq and the role of his beliefs, then looking at what Trump is doing and his beliefs. Like history repeating itself.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/george-bush-iraq-war-religious-crusade-saddam-hussein-5Hjd7ck_2/

Someone's PhD thesis on the topic!

https://repository.digital.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/709819

American approval for Trump is falling. A recent Washington Ipsos poll showed just 15% of Americans strongly support Trump, compared to 27% in Feb 2025.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/17/politics/trump-maga-base-shrinking

As for the religious 'end times' scenario that is supposedly playing out, well Trump's cabinet seems dominated by the NAR people. I have to say I see strong parallels with the IRGC 'bring the Mahdi' belief! Both sides trying to manipulate God, apparently.

https://theconversation.com/new-apostolic-reformation-evangelicals-see-trump-as-gods-warrior-in-their-battle-to-win-america-from-satanic-forces-and-christianize-it-243002

Thanks for that.

I don't know much about the Iranian Shia Islam. I have seen far right folk describe it as a death cult. I honestly don't know about that.

But I do know that large swathes of US evangelism is a death cult. In fact, I watched one of their "left behind" films last week. The really bad one with Nick Cage. He done it as a favor for someone apparently.

Massive mega churches full of people praying for the world to end, hell to open up and swallow everyone who is not them. And they pray for money too. After making their donations to said Church,

The JWs are interesting. They have a list of named people who will go to heaven to sit with Jesus. All the other JWs who are not listed will be their slaves. Non JWs all go in the fire. I saw a sermon once where a JW Governing body member was describing himself riding a white horse with a bow and arrow, killing non JWs as part of the Tribulation. These folk are fantasizing about total genocide on humanity.

GentleSheep · 25/07/2026 11:30

Massive mega churches full of people praying for the world to end, hell to open up and swallow everyone who is not them. And they pray for money too. After making their donations to said Church

It's sickening and deluded.

As for the JWs - wow, lol, invention at its finest!

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 12:02

GentleSheep · 25/07/2026 11:30

Massive mega churches full of people praying for the world to end, hell to open up and swallow everyone who is not them. And they pray for money too. After making their donations to said Church

It's sickening and deluded.

As for the JWs - wow, lol, invention at its finest!

Yup. I have read a lot about the JWs. And they are famous of course for getting the date wrong. I think they said 1914. But it never happened. Then they said a date in the 70's. Never happened. But now they say it did happen, but nobody noticed it.

But away from JWs and on subject. Sample article on Hegseth.

"Since his 2021 resignation from the military, Hegseth has increasingly turned to his other tribe, Christianity. Two years ago, he moved his family from New Jersey to Tennessee, where Hegseth joined a school and church associated with reformed reconstructionism, an ideology helmed by the far-right theologian Doug Wilson.
Wilson’s denomination opposes religious pluralism and embraces the idea of a nation founded on the premise that Jesus Christ is the “lord of all.” He has written that owning slaves in biblical times was not antithetical to being a Christian and, while he says he rejects racism, he has asserted that “the system of slave-holding in the South was far more humane than that of ancient Rome, although it still fell short of the biblical requirements for it.” Wilson, himself a former submarine navigator for the Navy, has also described himself asphilosophically “indebted” to Robert L. Dabney, the military chaplain to Confederate Gen. Stonewall Jackson who defended slavery and believed in white supremacy. He claims border defense and Christian dominance are divine conflicts, and claims God has deemed women and children legitimate military targets in such affairs. “The word of God,” Wilson preaches, “tells Christian soldiers what to do, even if Christian soldiers are in the service of an unbelieving magistrate.”"

Pete Hegseth’s Crusade to Turn the Military into a Christian Weapon - POLITICO

Secretseverywhere · 25/07/2026 13:04

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 11:02

Thanks for that.

I don't know much about the Iranian Shia Islam. I have seen far right folk describe it as a death cult. I honestly don't know about that.

But I do know that large swathes of US evangelism is a death cult. In fact, I watched one of their "left behind" films last week. The really bad one with Nick Cage. He done it as a favor for someone apparently.

Massive mega churches full of people praying for the world to end, hell to open up and swallow everyone who is not them. And they pray for money too. After making their donations to said Church,

The JWs are interesting. They have a list of named people who will go to heaven to sit with Jesus. All the other JWs who are not listed will be their slaves. Non JWs all go in the fire. I saw a sermon once where a JW Governing body member was describing himself riding a white horse with a bow and arrow, killing non JWs as part of the Tribulation. These folk are fantasizing about total genocide on humanity.

Maybe a bit of a sideline from the thread topic but I read an interesting study on depth of religious belief across number of countries in Africa. In the places where churches were doing the most to help people religious belief was lower than in places that had a treat em mean keep em keen philosophy. You’d think the inverse would be true but no. Religious belief also increases when living with conflict and instability.

I do think there is commonality between “death cult” branches of religion. You see it Iran and especially their proxies. Gaza is mainly Sunni but the constant incitement of conflict combined withearly indoctrination into the ideaology of martyrdom ( through children’s, songs, textbooks and broadcasting) creates generations of militants willing to die for the cause.

Karl Marx wrote “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." In a way the poorer you keep a people, without hope of a better future then the more susceptible to religious indoctrination into a death cult / martyrdom ideaology they will be.

This is why there will never be peace in the region as Iran’s power and control over its proxy groups and their populations is dependent upon keeping conflict going.

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 13:28

Secretseverywhere · 25/07/2026 13:04

Maybe a bit of a sideline from the thread topic but I read an interesting study on depth of religious belief across number of countries in Africa. In the places where churches were doing the most to help people religious belief was lower than in places that had a treat em mean keep em keen philosophy. You’d think the inverse would be true but no. Religious belief also increases when living with conflict and instability.

I do think there is commonality between “death cult” branches of religion. You see it Iran and especially their proxies. Gaza is mainly Sunni but the constant incitement of conflict combined withearly indoctrination into the ideaology of martyrdom ( through children’s, songs, textbooks and broadcasting) creates generations of militants willing to die for the cause.

Karl Marx wrote “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." In a way the poorer you keep a people, without hope of a better future then the more susceptible to religious indoctrination into a death cult / martyrdom ideaology they will be.

This is why there will never be peace in the region as Iran’s power and control over its proxy groups and their populations is dependent upon keeping conflict going.

Re Christianity in African nations, have you seen what the US evangelicals have been up to ? Especially in Uganda.

Death sentence for being gay? Yup, that is the US evangelicals at work.

Quote " I do think there is commonality between “death cult” branches of religion. You see it Iran and especially their proxies. Gaza is mainly Sunni but the constant incitement of conflict combined withearly indoctrination into the ideaology of martyrdom ( through children’s, songs, textbooks and broadcasting) creates generations of militants willing to die for the cause."

I am not sure about that re Iran. I have never heard of Iranian or Shia suicide bombers . That seems to be Sunni ISIS. Usually of Saudi origin. Or the bombers are anyway. Of course the Saudi Government are not involved. They just bone saw journalists.

Re Gaza. I am not sure I would say Iran is inciting a conflict. The conflict is there already. Palestinians v Israel. Yes, they support Hamas and Hezbollah. But the conflict itself predates 1979 when the Islamic Republic of Iran came about. For sure there are Palestinians who have done suicide attacks on Israel, but are they connected to Iran ? Hamas is Sunni after all.

Secretseverywhere · 25/07/2026 14:44

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 13:28

Re Christianity in African nations, have you seen what the US evangelicals have been up to ? Especially in Uganda.

Death sentence for being gay? Yup, that is the US evangelicals at work.

Quote " I do think there is commonality between “death cult” branches of religion. You see it Iran and especially their proxies. Gaza is mainly Sunni but the constant incitement of conflict combined withearly indoctrination into the ideaology of martyrdom ( through children’s, songs, textbooks and broadcasting) creates generations of militants willing to die for the cause."

I am not sure about that re Iran. I have never heard of Iranian or Shia suicide bombers . That seems to be Sunni ISIS. Usually of Saudi origin. Or the bombers are anyway. Of course the Saudi Government are not involved. They just bone saw journalists.

Re Gaza. I am not sure I would say Iran is inciting a conflict. The conflict is there already. Palestinians v Israel. Yes, they support Hamas and Hezbollah. But the conflict itself predates 1979 when the Islamic Republic of Iran came about. For sure there are Palestinians who have done suicide attacks on Israel, but are they connected to Iran ? Hamas is Sunni after all.

I did, I find it utterly abhorrent.

The concept is shahadat (religious martyrdom) is an integral part of Shia Islam. it’s indoctrinated into society in Iran, it was mentioned upthread how during the Iran Iraq war they would give child soldiers / young volunteers a key to paradise to wear around their necks before sending them off to detonate land mines.

Gaza may be Sunni but Hsmas are ideologically aligned with Iran in wanting the eradication of the state of Israel. Iran has pumped hundreds of millions of dollars over the years into supporting / arming Hamas.

I know the conflict in Gaza predates 1979 but Iran’s MO is to insert themselves into a failing state and take power / authority and then maintain thst via conflicts diverting funds from governments whilst existing infrastructure crumbles. The form varies between countries but it’s a similar pattern, In Syria they (formerly) propped up an authoritarian regime, in Lebanon hezbollah formed a quasi government in areas they controlled, similar in Yemen.

In Gaza Iran encourages conflict but doesn’t direct operations October 7th would not have happened without Iranian weapons and the regular training Hsmas gets from IRGC and hezbollah in Lebanon but Iran not technically involved.

I do think Israel has something to offer the region. They are technologically advanced compared to their neighbours and innovations in seed technology, vertical farming, water desalination could be a boon. There have been attempts at this sort of “agri-peace” through agreements such as increasing the volume of potable water Israel supplies to Jordan. If it wasn’t for Iran / proxies then I believe you’d of seen more normalisation of relationships between neighbouring countries through shared resources.

It is a sliding doors moment but if CIA hadn’t gotten rid of democratically elected leader of Iran in the fifties, the 1979 uprising wouldn’t of occurred. Would Iran still be the base of extremism we see today?

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 16:24

Secretseverywhere · 25/07/2026 14:44

I did, I find it utterly abhorrent.

The concept is shahadat (religious martyrdom) is an integral part of Shia Islam. it’s indoctrinated into society in Iran, it was mentioned upthread how during the Iran Iraq war they would give child soldiers / young volunteers a key to paradise to wear around their necks before sending them off to detonate land mines.

Gaza may be Sunni but Hsmas are ideologically aligned with Iran in wanting the eradication of the state of Israel. Iran has pumped hundreds of millions of dollars over the years into supporting / arming Hamas.

I know the conflict in Gaza predates 1979 but Iran’s MO is to insert themselves into a failing state and take power / authority and then maintain thst via conflicts diverting funds from governments whilst existing infrastructure crumbles. The form varies between countries but it’s a similar pattern, In Syria they (formerly) propped up an authoritarian regime, in Lebanon hezbollah formed a quasi government in areas they controlled, similar in Yemen.

In Gaza Iran encourages conflict but doesn’t direct operations October 7th would not have happened without Iranian weapons and the regular training Hsmas gets from IRGC and hezbollah in Lebanon but Iran not technically involved.

I do think Israel has something to offer the region. They are technologically advanced compared to their neighbours and innovations in seed technology, vertical farming, water desalination could be a boon. There have been attempts at this sort of “agri-peace” through agreements such as increasing the volume of potable water Israel supplies to Jordan. If it wasn’t for Iran / proxies then I believe you’d of seen more normalisation of relationships between neighbouring countries through shared resources.

It is a sliding doors moment but if CIA hadn’t gotten rid of democratically elected leader of Iran in the fifties, the 1979 uprising wouldn’t of occurred. Would Iran still be the base of extremism we see today?

Quote " The concept is shahadat (religious martyrdom) is an integral part of Shia Islam.".

I need to look that up. Thanks for the info.

Quote " but Iran’s MO is to insert themselves into a failing state and take power / authority and then maintain thst via conflicts diverting funds from governments whilst existing infrastructure"

What states have they actually taken over.

Oct 7th I sort of get. But the cause was there. Iran did not create the cause. But need to come back to that in another post, because this has been done all over this board.

Israeli agriculture. Hmmm. I know about that. But honestly, for this thread, it's maybe not a good idea. Because it does have a strong hint of culture superiority to it.

Quote " Would Iran still be the base of extremism we see today?"

What extremism? I get it. They are an authoritarian theocratic state. But when you say they are extremist, who are you comparing them to ?

Twiglets1 · 25/07/2026 16:31

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 16:24

Quote " The concept is shahadat (religious martyrdom) is an integral part of Shia Islam.".

I need to look that up. Thanks for the info.

Quote " but Iran’s MO is to insert themselves into a failing state and take power / authority and then maintain thst via conflicts diverting funds from governments whilst existing infrastructure"

What states have they actually taken over.

Oct 7th I sort of get. But the cause was there. Iran did not create the cause. But need to come back to that in another post, because this has been done all over this board.

Israeli agriculture. Hmmm. I know about that. But honestly, for this thread, it's maybe not a good idea. Because it does have a strong hint of culture superiority to it.

Quote " Would Iran still be the base of extremism we see today?"

What extremism? I get it. They are an authoritarian theocratic state. But when you say they are extremist, who are you comparing them to ?

IRGC ... what extremism? ... 😂

Twiglets1 · 25/07/2026 16:42

Written evidence submitted by Kasra Aarabi, Analyst at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change (April 2020)

For over 40 years, the IRGC has been responsible for plotting and executing global terrorist attacks, hostage-takings, maritime piracy, political assassinations on foreign soil – including in Europe – human rights violations and supressing domestic dissent within Iran. It has provided key operational support for terrorist attacks stretching as far afield as Bulgaria, Thailand and Argentina.

In the 1980s, Iran’s leaders came up with the idea of establishing the IRGC’s Quds (Jerusalem) Force: an extraterritorial unit of the IRGC that would act as an Islamic army with a mandate to export the revolution overseas and “liberate” Palestine through the destruction of Israel – what Tehran calls the “Zionist regime” and a “cancerous tumour” that must be “eradicated.” The destruction of the State of Israel is at the heart of the IRGC’s Shia Islamist extremist ideology and the Guard is the main force driving this across the Middle East today.

Since its creation, the IRGC has also worked tirelessly to nurture Shia militancy across the Middle East: creating, arming, training and financing some of the deadliest Islamist terrorist groups in the world. This includes the likes of Lebanese Hizbullah, which it helped establish to destroy Israel and export the Islamic Revolution to Lebanon, to Iraq’s Asai’b Ahl al-Haq, which it armed to conduct over 6,000 attacks on American and British forces in Iraq (2003-2011).

The Guard’s relationship with terrorism is not restricted to Shia extremists. It supports Sunni Islamist groups from Hamas to Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and has had ties with al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

At present, the IRGC effectively operates as a “franchise builder” for militant groups that embrace its revolutionary Shia Islamist ideology, or the broader foreign policy aims of the Islamic Republic.

This has had direct consequences on the stability of the Middle East, UK interests in the region and UK national security.

In Iraq, following the collapse of Saddam in 2003, the IRGC Quds (Jerusalem) Force – the Guards extraterritorial unit – worked to recruit, radicalise and organise young Shia men into militias loyal to Iran’s supreme leader, rather than the Iraqi state. Iranian-backed militias in Iraq have been a constant source of violence, extremism and instability in the country. The sectarian agenda being pushed by Tehran and its proxies brought Iraq to the brink of civil war and would later contribute to the rise of Islamic State in 2014.

In Syria, as millions of Syrians poured onto the streets against Bashar al Assad, the IRGC Quds Force helped prop up the Assad regime with a degree of unbridled violence which left over half a million Syrians dead

The IRGC arms, funds and trains other militias, including the Houthis in Yemen, Lebanese Hizbullah, Shia militias in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. Today in the Middle East, the IRGC has prepared approximately 200,000 fighters–from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan and Afghanistan–to rise in support of a cause which is rooted in a perceived existential threat to the Shia Muslim identity and a hostility towards global powers and their allies. The paramilitarisation of the Middle East at the behest of the IRGC has not only significantly impacted stability in the region, but it has also undermined existing state structures.

Since 2017, there has also been a surge in IRGC activity in Europe. The discovery of an Iranianlinked bomb factory in London in 2019, as well as the successive chain of terror plots across Europe from 2017 and 2018, suggests that the interests of this group goes beyond the confines of the Middle East and underscores the urgency in countering the challenge it poses.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/3119/pdf/

Secretseverywhere · 25/07/2026 16:59

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 16:24

Quote " The concept is shahadat (religious martyrdom) is an integral part of Shia Islam.".

I need to look that up. Thanks for the info.

Quote " but Iran’s MO is to insert themselves into a failing state and take power / authority and then maintain thst via conflicts diverting funds from governments whilst existing infrastructure"

What states have they actually taken over.

Oct 7th I sort of get. But the cause was there. Iran did not create the cause. But need to come back to that in another post, because this has been done all over this board.

Israeli agriculture. Hmmm. I know about that. But honestly, for this thread, it's maybe not a good idea. Because it does have a strong hint of culture superiority to it.

Quote " Would Iran still be the base of extremism we see today?"

What extremism? I get it. They are an authoritarian theocratic state. But when you say they are extremist, who are you comparing them to ?

By extreme, I mean that there are a hard line theocracy that holds a rigid control of society and won’t hesitate to use violence against their own people.

I’m not saying that Iran have taken over states but they exert a sort of quasigovernmental control over a proportion of them so if you look at Yemen for example the Houthi control about a third of the country geographically but that also covers about 70% of the population.

Its a humanitarian disaster for the people of Yemen with about 80% living below the poverty line and dependent upon aid. This is a country rich in oil reserves with a much lower standard of living than neighbouring countries.

I’m not saying Iran is solely responsible for the Houtis but they take a state fractured by pre existing conflict Sunni / Shia divide, fan flames by by arming and training militants who share their ideaology. Their mantra is ( sarkha) god is great, death to Israel, death to America, a curse upon the Jews, victory to Islam. It doesn’t bode well for peace and prosperity within the region.

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 17:11

Secretseverywhere · 25/07/2026 16:59

By extreme, I mean that there are a hard line theocracy that holds a rigid control of society and won’t hesitate to use violence against their own people.

I’m not saying that Iran have taken over states but they exert a sort of quasigovernmental control over a proportion of them so if you look at Yemen for example the Houthi control about a third of the country geographically but that also covers about 70% of the population.

Its a humanitarian disaster for the people of Yemen with about 80% living below the poverty line and dependent upon aid. This is a country rich in oil reserves with a much lower standard of living than neighbouring countries.

I’m not saying Iran is solely responsible for the Houtis but they take a state fractured by pre existing conflict Sunni / Shia divide, fan flames by by arming and training militants who share their ideaology. Their mantra is ( sarkha) god is great, death to Israel, death to America, a curse upon the Jews, victory to Islam. It doesn’t bode well for peace and prosperity within the region.

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Now it's getting daftly complex. There is just too many threads on this. Because now you are talking about the Houthi, but I just posted about them on the Houthi thread. So I think for that bit you need to go to the other thread.

And yes. Iran is a theocracy. We know that.

I am atheist. I would like all countries to be secular. But it's not that simple because of the UN convention on human rights, and the concept of self-determination.