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TopPocketFind · 15/07/2026 12:48

Today

US Centcom announces new wave of daytime strikes against Iran
and
Tehran vows 'decisive response' after 7 personnel killed in US strike on Iranian military base

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Twiglets1 · 15/07/2026 13:06

TopPocketFind · 15/07/2026 12:35

You do not upset me but you do annoy me with your hints that I/we don't condem Iran enough for your liking.

Disclaimer gate was an example of that.

The use of the word obsession tells me a lot of how you perceive me/us.

Frankly, I don't give a shit if I annoy you or anyone else. I don't respect any of the people involved in "disclaimer gate". Obviously you don't respect me either or wouldn't have done it in the first place so the feeling's mutual.

If you want to show you condemn the IRGC then do so. Or don't, and then assumptions will be made but why do you care anyway.

Yes I do observe an a Trump obsession on this thread (and others). That's because there is one.

TopPocketFind · 15/07/2026 13:09

Finally some honesty

I don't give a shit about your opinion of me either.

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Twiglets1 · 15/07/2026 13:15

I already said above that is obvious - but debates can still be polite.

Moving on ...

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 13:24

Perhaps if posters accept that they have no right to force a conversation or ‘speech’ on others we could all have

A conversation

Twiglets1 · 15/07/2026 13:33

That cuts both ways Dr Prune. If you look at how this exchange between myself and @TopPocketFind started, they tried to control my speech not the other way around when they said, Can't you condemn the US without the whataboutery?

TopPocketFind · 15/07/2026 13:41

You can use 'she' @Twiglets1

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TopPocketFind · 15/07/2026 13:42

Reuters

The US says it has completed its latest strikes on Iran

A little while ago we reported that the U.S. said it had begun a new wave of strikes against Iran.
The latest strikes began around eight hours after the previous U.S. attacks had ended.
U.S. Central Command has now posted on X to say the new round of strikes was completed at 7:30 a.m. Washington (1130 GMT).

"CENTCOM launched precision munitions against coastal defense systems and cruise missile storage and launch sites on Greater Tunb Island during the 90-minute wave," it said.
"The strikes further degraded Iran’s ability to attack commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz."

There were no immediate reports of the attacks in Iranian media.

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DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 13:54

TopPocketFind · 15/07/2026 13:42

Reuters

The US says it has completed its latest strikes on Iran

A little while ago we reported that the U.S. said it had begun a new wave of strikes against Iran.
The latest strikes began around eight hours after the previous U.S. attacks had ended.
U.S. Central Command has now posted on X to say the new round of strikes was completed at 7:30 a.m. Washington (1130 GMT).

"CENTCOM launched precision munitions against coastal defense systems and cruise missile storage and launch sites on Greater Tunb Island during the 90-minute wave," it said.
"The strikes further degraded Iran’s ability to attack commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz."

There were no immediate reports of the attacks in Iranian media.

Precision ??

‘ Reporting from Tehran, Al Jazeera’s Tohid Asadi described “another night of escalation”, saying a bottled water facility in Dehloran, western Ilam province, was reportedly hit, while Iranian sources said projectiles struck soldiers’ accommodation at a military base in Bampur, in southeastern Sistan and Baluchestan province.’

Bottled water factory in western Iran struck
15 July 2026 01:02 BST

A bottled water factory in Iran’s western Ilam province was reportedly hit by three projectiles, according to state media.
Dehloran Governor Morad Yeganeh indicated that the strikes caused damage to equipment at the production facility , but did not identify any perpetrators. No casualties were reported.
Minutes earlier, Iran’s Fars news agency reported of fresh US attacks in the city of Dehloran, south west of Ilam.’

If there strikes are precise, as they say, then the US are deliberately hitting civilian infrastructure

RedTagAlan · 15/07/2026 14:07

Iran is on script all the way. Nothing unexpected. They say what they say and beat their chest. What is there to say about them re this war ? They fire their missiles and drones, flare up if they feel wronged. No different from any other authoritarian secretive state.

Netantyahu has his playbook as well. Most folk have some sort of idea what he wants, the only real disagreement is how much he wants.. From living in peace with neighbours to occupying neighbours, and maybe the destruction of Iran, with a genocide of Palestinians. The facts are in there somewhere.

But Trump? Who the fuck knows.

He has no political ideology, he appears to not understand political ideology. The only thing it seems he wants is for him to run it all. To be the biggest and bestest POTUS ever. But he is crap at it.

And Trump does this thing of wanting everyone to talk about him, and when they do, but say bad things, he yells TDS !!!!. So do his fans.

And for some reason, Trump decided to start a war with Iran. Why ? Nobody knows. There was a perfectly good JCPOA, and he tore it up.

Did Trump start the war because he thought his base would like it ? After all, they loved his Muslim ban. And they keep calling for a war. So why not Iran?

And there is plenty of evidence that the Muslim ban folk were also the ones who cheered this war on. We know the type. Those who post on GB news comments with "Islam is not compatible with Western society".

They cheer the war on. But everyone else. We are just open jawed. WTF is this guy doing. Is he a lunatic ?

And as we try to figure out WTF he is doing, we read the news about him and post about him. Because after all, this war is about him. It is his war. He wanted it, he started it, and he owns it.

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 14:14

RedTagAlan · 15/07/2026 14:07

Iran is on script all the way. Nothing unexpected. They say what they say and beat their chest. What is there to say about them re this war ? They fire their missiles and drones, flare up if they feel wronged. No different from any other authoritarian secretive state.

Netantyahu has his playbook as well. Most folk have some sort of idea what he wants, the only real disagreement is how much he wants.. From living in peace with neighbours to occupying neighbours, and maybe the destruction of Iran, with a genocide of Palestinians. The facts are in there somewhere.

But Trump? Who the fuck knows.

He has no political ideology, he appears to not understand political ideology. The only thing it seems he wants is for him to run it all. To be the biggest and bestest POTUS ever. But he is crap at it.

And Trump does this thing of wanting everyone to talk about him, and when they do, but say bad things, he yells TDS !!!!. So do his fans.

And for some reason, Trump decided to start a war with Iran. Why ? Nobody knows. There was a perfectly good JCPOA, and he tore it up.

Did Trump start the war because he thought his base would like it ? After all, they loved his Muslim ban. And they keep calling for a war. So why not Iran?

And there is plenty of evidence that the Muslim ban folk were also the ones who cheered this war on. We know the type. Those who post on GB news comments with "Islam is not compatible with Western society".

They cheer the war on. But everyone else. We are just open jawed. WTF is this guy doing. Is he a lunatic ?

And as we try to figure out WTF he is doing, we read the news about him and post about him. Because after all, this war is about him. It is his war. He wanted it, he started it, and he owns it.

Along with the other warmongering madman at the helm, Netanyahu

Twiglets1 · 15/07/2026 14:18

@RedTagAlan I thought it was unexpected that Iran attacked a ship while the Ayatollah's funeral was still taking place, despite warning the US not to do anything inflammatory at that sensitive time. Yes, yes, I know it was in "the wrong lane" in their view but still - they could have turned a blind eye until the funeral was over.

Also surprising that one faction at least seemed happy to sabotage the MoU despite it was apparently such a great deal for Iran and sanctions on Iranian oil sales had already been lifted for an oh so brief moment in time.

Most of your post is about Trump - again.

RedTagAlan · 15/07/2026 14:20

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 14:14

Along with the other warmongering madman at the helm, Netanyahu

Yup. I mentioned him.

And although there is loads of evidence that he wanted this war, there has been no POTUS dumb enough to give it to him.

So I put it all on Trump.

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 14:30

RedTagAlan · 15/07/2026 14:20

Yup. I mentioned him.

And although there is loads of evidence that he wanted this war, there has been no POTUS dumb enough to give it to him.

So I put it all on Trump.

Wouldn’t we all love to know Trumps reasons if indeed there are any logical or truthful ones
There was speak that Israel uncovered a kill plot against Trump
but surely that’s nothing new if in fact it was true at all
Was it oil theft? Possibly but I think perhaps that’s just a potential $$ Trump gain along the way

Trump went against advice, didn’t consult Congress and did what he does best. ie Whatever grabs him in the moment and ignoring people cleverer than him ( if in fact he has any left )
because Trump knows best 🤣🤣

RedTagAlan · 15/07/2026 15:00

Ok..... so how to discuss Trumps war, the war that Trump started, the war the Trump is executing.... without mentioning Trump ?

Lets see what PRC state media has to say, The Global Times:

"However, the US and Iran have interpreted the MoU differently, with both sides accusing the other of "undermining the agreement." The US even openly described the MoU as merely a "test" and said that "it doesn't mean much," a stance that ultimately triggered a new round of confrontation."

Pretty much same as always. Needs dialogue. Pragmatic. On the fence.

But yeah. The MOU that does say ( most defo can be interpreted as) Iran is to control the opening, and Trump, who has basically said he does not give a toss what it says. Now, If someone had asked me, if the US appears to be trying to sneak ships out, will Iran fire on them ? My answer would be... of course.

What is amazingly astounding, to me anyway, that the people who signed that MOU on the US side would think they could take ships out without them being fired on. Funeral or no funeral.

The price tag of strategic miscalculations by major powers is always astronomical: Global Times editorial - Global Times

The price tag of strategic miscalculations by major powers is always astronomical: Global Times editorial - Global Times

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202607/1365960.shtml

Twiglets1 · 15/07/2026 15:29

No one is suggesting Trump shouldn't be mentioned Red, just that the IRGC leadership should be held accountable too when it comes to this war.

They may not have started it but they are certainly engaged in it and doing plenty of questionable things themselves.

JadeHare · 15/07/2026 15:55

From the ipaper:

“If only there had been some way to foresee that a peace treaty signed at the Palace of Versailles might not stand the test of time. It was just last month that Trump chose this grandiose but inauspicious location to sign his ceasefire agreement with Iran – and yet it is already in tatters.
Trump’s deal left almost every major question between the US and Iran unresolved. It did not handle the matter of Iran’s nuclear programme, which had supposedly been Trump’s main motivation for starting his war.
It did not agree the long-term future of the Strait of Hormuz. In practice, it was a 60-day deal to allow further talks to take place – but less than 30 days in, Trump appears to have lost patience with it entirely, and has ripped up his own deal. The “ceasefire”, he declared, was already over, so far as he was concerned.
The consequences of Trump’s impatience have already been deadly. The US has resumed air strikes against Iran, and – despite repeated claims that the US had wiped out Iran’s offensive capabilities entirely – Tehran has launched attacks against US military bases in the region. Iran has also targetted ships attempting to transit the Strait of Hormuz without its permission, killing at least one person onboard.

“Trump, meanwhile, seems increasingly chaotic and unable to stick with a plan. Before he launched his offensive in February, the Strait of Hormuz was recognised as an international waterway, and was free for all ships to transit.
Having managed to blockade the vital strait – through which around 20 per cent of the world’s traded oil and gas transits – Iran has tried to claim de facto control of it, and wishes to levy tolls of between $1m and $2m per ship in the long term. This represents a threat to the principle of free-flowing maritime traffic across the world – a principle that has helped global free trade, which in turn propelled the USA towards becoming the richest country in the world.
Trump, though, understands none of that. Instead, he saw Iran taking a cut of proceeds and decided that the correct response was to demand a bigger cut himself. The US blockade of the Strait of Hormuz was back, he announced – inevitably, via the social network his company owns – but this time with a twist: the US would escort ships through the strait, in exchange for a fee equal to 20 per cent of its cargo.”

“This plan amounted to outright extortion from the world’s only superpower. A fully laden oil tanker is carrying a cargo worth around $150-$200m, meaning Trump was demanding around $30m to $40m per ship – 20 to 30 times as much as Iran was demanding. It takes a particular kind of political skill to make the Iranian regime look like the more reasonable party in a negotiation.
There was a major flaw in Trump’s scheme, though: the US navy cannot escort ships through the strait if Iran is hostile to them. Insurance companies won’t cover the transit; and the US cannot guarantee ships will avoid mines, or missile fire, and doesn’t have smaller ships designed for such escort missions.
Trump had announced a plan his military couldn’t deliver, and so inevitably he was forced into another U-turn, better known these days as a Taco, or “Trump always chickens out”. Just 24 hours after announcing his plan, Trump abandoned it, saying he would instead raise the revenue thanks to new investment in the US from its Gulf state allies – who had almost certainly just re-promised existing spending plans, knowing Trump would never check.”

“The US President is looking increasingly desperate when it comes to Iran. His new ideas fall apart on first contact. Iran’s regime has seen for itself that his threats are not to be taken seriously. Time and again, when the stakes are high, Trump is the first to back down. He has now resorted to threatening to bomb Iran’s civilian infrastructure including bridges and power plants – a war crime, but one he’s threatened so many times before that by this stage, it’s old news.
Officials within the Trump administration are reportedly referring to the reignited Iran conflict as “Operation Bitch Slap”. They may mean that to impress, but to many across the world it will only smack of desperation. Trump seems to have propelled the US back into a conflict that it has no idea how to end.
The US midterms are less than four months away, and the Iran war is deeply unpopular. High fuel prices are even less popular still, and the cost of oil and gas has predictably risen since Trump reignited his Middle Eastern conflict. Everyone except Trump seems to know that he needs this war to be over – and yet he seems unable to tear “The US President is looking increasingly desperate when it comes to Iran. His new ideas fall apart on first contact. Iran’s regime has seen for itself that his threats are not to be taken seriously. Time and again, when the stakes are high, Trump is the first to back down. He has now resorted to threatening to bomb Iran’s civilian infrastructure including bridges and power plants – a war crime, but one he’s threatened so many times before that by this stage, it’s old news.
Officials within the Trump administration are reportedly referring to the reignited Iran conflict as “Operation Bitch Slap”. They may mean that to impress, but to many across the world it will only smack of desperation. Trump seems to have propelled the US back into a conflict that it has no idea how to end.
The US midterms are less than four months away, and the Iran war is deeply unpopular. High fuel prices are even less popular still, and the cost of oil and gas has predictably risen since Trump reignited his Middle Eastern conflict. Everyone except Trump seems to know that he needs this war to be over – and yet he seems unable to tear himself away from it.

Trump seems to be left with just one tactic: desperately lobbing bombs at a Middle Eastern nation and hoping something comes up. He should ask any of his recent predecessors as president how doing that worked out for them.

Strait of Hormuz - The i Paper

Impartial news & intelligent debate

https://inews.co.uk/topic/strait-of-hormuz

RedTagAlan · 15/07/2026 16:16

The CNN feed has located the positions of the ships Iran struck. Screen grab attached for reference.

Note how there is non in the Iranian approved and organised lanes. They all appear to be in the area where the US navy are apparently directing them to. Were Iran right or wrong to fire on them ? No idea, because while I can read the MOU and the official notices to mariners that came from that, I do not know what was verbally agreed and understood in the talks.

At least one dead Indian sailor, so hopefully the family will be told what the agreement was.

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 3
DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 17:26

RedTagAlan · 15/07/2026 16:16

The CNN feed has located the positions of the ships Iran struck. Screen grab attached for reference.

Note how there is non in the Iranian approved and organised lanes. They all appear to be in the area where the US navy are apparently directing them to. Were Iran right or wrong to fire on them ? No idea, because while I can read the MOU and the official notices to mariners that came from that, I do not know what was verbally agreed and understood in the talks.

At least one dead Indian sailor, so hopefully the family will be told what the agreement was.

CNN not showing anything on Irans side is interesting

I’ve been watching every day and there’s plenty of activity

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 3
DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 17:32

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 17:26

CNN not showing anything on Irans side is interesting

I’ve been watching every day and there’s plenty of activity

Edited
as I’ve realised you were talking about attacks
Apologies

Yes
All those travelling through Irans side are clearly following correct procedure

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 19:39

From AlJazeera

Can the Houthis close Bab al-Mandeb, the region’s other energy choke point?

Bab al-Mandeb is one of the world’s most strategic maritime chokepoints, linking the Red Sea and Suez Canal with the Indian Ocean.

Iran has hinted at the closure of the waterway in the case of a major escalation through assistance from the Houthis in Yemen, turning it into a second pressure point alongside the Strait of Hormuz.

If the chokepoint were shut, along with the Strait of Hormuz, a quarter of the world’s energy and a giant chunk of Asia’s exports to Europe would be blocked.

Strait of Hormuz:

  • 27 percent of the global maritime oil trade
  • 20 percent of global LNG trade

Bab al-Mandeb:

  • 11 percent of global maritime trade
  • 8 percent of global LNG trade

Suez Canal:

  • 11 percent of the global maritime trade
  • 8 percent of global LNG trade

Historical Impact:
The Houthis possess the proven capability to disrupt this trade route. During the Red Sea crisis, they attacked nearly 200 commercial ships before a U.S.-Houthi ceasefire was established in May 2025.

Current Status:
While they paused attacks following the 2025 peace plan, ongoing regional instability means the threat remains. Even the mere threat of attacks or closure is enough to inflate insurance premiums and disrupt supply chains

RedTagAlan · 16/07/2026 01:52

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2026 17:32

Edited
as I’ve realised you were talking about attacks
Apologies

Yes
All those travelling through Irans side are clearly following correct procedure

Re the Indian sailor who was killed, without a doubt that is down to Iran. They done the attack on a civvie ship.

However, there will be an enquiry/ inquest of some sort. And I expect that would cover such things as - was the captain aware of the "official" route, why was the ship transiting the Oman side, who gave the order for the ship to transit that side. Was captain pressured into using that route.

And it might even get to the route of the MOU "misunderstanding".

Because I really struggle to accept that the MOU was negotiated/ discussed/ agreed/signed and enacted without what article 5 says being understood and agreed on.

Because someone broke that part of the MOU. And we do deserve to know who, As does the family of the dead sailor.

trumpredcard · 16/07/2026 07:50

This move escalates the conflict and puts more pressure on options on how the US will resolve the situation. Iran already knows how it will react to further military attacks and will not give in, so immoveable force meets unstoppable object with no off ramp for either unless jaw, jaw wins.

Twiglets1 · 16/07/2026 08:05

Iran's top negotiator Ghalibaf said that "Iran has never welcomed war, nor do we now. He called on Iranians to continue with their armed resistance, but to also “use the tools of diplomacy and negotiation to achieve and consolidate national interests”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jul/15/us-iran-war-live-updates-strikes-trump-power-plants-bridges-middle-east-crisis-latest-news