US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

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• .Iran and Israel have halted their mutual attacks, but Tehran has warned that strikes will resume if Israel continues its “aggression”, including in Lebanon.
• US President Donald Trump told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to “be careful, or you will be on your own very soon”, according to the Axios news site, as Israel’s strikes on Beirut and Iranthreaten the US ceasefire with Tehran.

latest update from AJ

Let’s hope this holds and Israel have to retreat to its own country as part of the deal.

I’m not feeling that confident given continued aggression in Gaza but
lets see

The 15 point/10 point back and forth has not (yet) been agreed by either side though? Iran and the US/Israel are still negotiating and no side will get everything they were demanding in their original 15 points/10 points.

Yes it is hard to see how a peace deal can be done while Israel are still attacking Hezbollah. But also hard to see how a peace deal can be done while Hezbollah are still attacking Israel, which they have been doing.

What is probably needed is for Iran and US leaders to rein in the actions of the other countries. Surely Iran has the power surely to stop Hezbollah from keep attacking Israel, they fund them after all?

If Iran agreed in writing to stop Hezbollah from keep attacking Israel, maybe Trump would be able to convince Netanyahu to agree in writing to stop attacking Hezbollah. Then a peace deal could be done that includes peace in Lebanon.

Trump says he told Netanyahu we have to 'use sense' after Iran and Israel exchange fire

In a phone call with the BBC, US President Donald Trump said that when he spoke to Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu earlier today, he told him "we have to use sense".

The two leaders spoke after Israel exchanged fire with Iran for the first time since a ceasefire with Tehran began two months ago.

Our North America editor, Sarah Smith, asked Trump how he had persuaded Netanyahu to stop attacking, to which he responded, “All I did is say, 'We have to use sense'. We're very close to signing a very powerful deal, a very good deal".

On Sunday, Iran launched a wave of missiles at Israel marking the first since the April ceasefire. Israel retaliated, saying it struck military targets in western and central Iran.

Iran came out first to say it would be stopping strikes on Israel before Netanyahu followed suit saying Israel's attacks would stop "for now".

Israel has since lifted some of its restrictions for the public, while flights within Iran have now resumed.
However, Iran has threatened a "severe" response if the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) continues striking southern Lebanon.

Evacuation orders were issued by the IDF in southern Lebanon - which has been separate from the April ceasefire deal - with the Israeli military saying this was due to “Hezbollah’s violation of the ceasefire agreement.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyengg72pgt

From CNN:

It’s been more than two months since President Donald Trump announced a ceasefire with Iran, saying at the time that the two sides were close to a deal.
Trump said on social media on April 7 that they were “very far along” but needed two weeks for “the Agreement to be finalized and consummated.” He concluded by saying that “it is an Honor to have this Longterm problem close to resolution.”
There was no resolution, of course. But Trump has nonetheless spent the two months since then continuing to suggest a deal was right around the corner. A lot.
Including the period before the ceasefire, he’s done it at least 37 times. That’s the number of times he’s said directly — in social media posts, public appearances and phone calls with the media — that a deal was nigh or claimed Iran was desperate to cut one.
There’s no indication that’s any more true today than it was back on April 7. But Trump keeps saying it, either because he’s delusional, trying to calm the financial markets or thinking he can will it into existence.
But it’s clearly not a claim people should take seriously anymore.

And now Trump says the US will be declaring total victory in the next 2 weeks.

“We’re negotiating now, and they want to make a very good deal. They’re willing to give us everything, they’re willing to give us no nuclear weapon,” Trump said.

“I think we are winning that battle, but you’re really going to win it over the next two weeks when we declare total victory, it’ll be a total victory, it’ll happen very soon, and oil prices will come tumbling down,” Trump said.

CNN.

And again, the Israel Defense Forces has issued an urgent evacuation order for the city of Tyre in southern Lebanon.

They’re determined, at the very least, to get all of Lebanons land south of the Litani aren’t they
Whatever Trump says Israel won’t stop in that regard it seems

Israel killed 8 people in Tyre, damaged ancient sites and is forcibly evacuating the Christian quarter

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/09/israeli-attack-tyre-lebanon-evacuation-ordered-historic-christian-quarter

Israel defies ceasefire
Again

‘Israeli attacks on Tyre in southern Lebanon have killed at least eight people and forced thousands to flee, just hours after United States President Donald Trump insisted a peace deal with Iran was imminent.
The Israeli military issued yet another forced displacement order for Tyre on Tuesday, telling the entire city – including, for the first time, the Christian quarter where many displaced people are sheltering – to leave immediately, before launching its deadly attacks

The Lebanese Ministry of Health said on Tuesday that the overall death toll from the Israeli offensive has risen to 3,666 since March 2, with a further 11,321 injured.
Lebanese Prime Minister Nawaf Salam said on Monday that Israel has carried out nearly 3,500 air attacks, 407 demolitions, and six “razing” operations – which have flattened entire villages – since April 16, when a so-called ceasefire was agreed between Israel and Lebanon’
AlJazeera updates

Meanwhile
If this is the message from Israel to Iran
its hardly encouraging Iran to give up its nuclear capabilities
or for Hezbollah to hand over their arms

This from The Telegraph

5:58pm today
‘ Iran strikes were preparation for more severe blow, says Israel’s military chief

The head of Israel’s military has said that strikes carried out against Iran on Monday were intended as preparation for even more severe attacks in the future.

Lt Gen Eyal Zamir, chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces, said: “The strike we carried out in Iran was preparation for a much more significant and severe blow.”
“We are prepared to return and deliver another hard and deep strike against Iran,” he added, saying the military remained in a state of immediate readiness should fighting resume.

Gen Zamir also signalled that Israel would not halt its offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon, despite Tehran’s insistence that ending the campaign is a condition for maintaining the current pause in direct attacks between Iran and Israel.
“The Iranian attempt to dictate equations and change reality will fail,” he said. “We will continue to operate and deepen the damage to the Hezbollah terror organisation and defend the northern communities.”

Now it's a US Apache helicopter. From CNN:

"• US helicopter downed: US President Donald Trump said the US military informed him that Iran shot down an Army Apache helicopter off the coast of Oman. He said the US “must, of necessity, respond to this attack.” The two pilots were rescued, according to Trump.
• How it happened: Two US officials said the helicopter was brought down by an Iranian drone, with a separate source telling CNN it was a Shahed drone. One of the officials said it was unclear whether the helicopter was intentionally targeted."

And from another part of CNN:

"Iran’s one-way Shahed drones are known to fly low and slow — a feature that makes them more able to evade air defenses than ballistic missiles."

This is a strange one. Because does it mean that Iranian drones are capable of taking down a US attack helicopter, or is it that said helicopter is not able to detect an Iranian drone in order to avoid it as it flies a programmed path?

Or it could mean there are so many Iranian drones in the air that the helicopter could not avoid them.

None of these scenarios are good in terms of what Trump has claimed in the past.

Thankfully the 2 pilots survived. But even that leads to questions. Because helicopter crew do not wear parachutes so far as I know. So the drone hit/collision was not catastrophic. It managed to ditch.

US has now launched 'self defence strikes' against Iran

Seyed Majid Rahbar naval base appears to have been hit

And Iran has launched missiles and drones toward US targets in the region

This Apache thing just makes no sense to me. It was hit above Oman water apparently, So the drone would have been at least 10 miles of travel over open water before it hit. And this is an aircraft designed for close ground support, an environment full of RPGs and portable SAMs. And yet it was downed by a big slow low tech drone.

Something is not right.

A US official to CNN: “Tonight’s strikes on Iran were designed to send a message, not derail ongoing negotiations.”

From CNN, Iran said this about the helicoptor:

"• Tehran’s response: Eariler, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi urged foreign forces to leave the Strait of Hormuz or be “at constant risk on account of their own human errors, plain accidents, or potentially being caught in crossfire.”

So Trump is sending a message for Iran downing a chopper, but Iran are not claiming they shot it down. Even though it would be a massive propaganda win is they shot down a high tech chopper with a low tech drone.

When I say high tech, of course I know the Apache is a fairly old design, but it is still made and updated. The one involved might have been older, but it is still an odd thing for the US to announce so fast after the incident.

Seems like Trumps not getting his own way in the talks then

That's the only message being sent

What deal? From the Telegraph just now:

“Donald Trump is preparing new strikes on Iran as he declared Tehran would “pay the price” for pulling out of peace talks.
The US president blamed the Islamic Republic for taking too long “to negotiate a deal that would have been great for them,” and said the US could strike power plants and bridges.
Earlier on Wednesday, the Iranian foreign minister announced that Tehran had halted diplomatic efforts with Washington because of repeated ceasefire violations.
“Unfortunately, the United States is damaging this diplomatic process through the contradictory messages it sends, its repeated shifts in positions and demands, and, worst of all, through repeated violations of the ceasefire,” an Iranian foreign ministry spokesman said.
“Any diplomatic process is damaged by the use of force and by resorting to unlawful actions on the ground.””

Excerpt From
“Trump prepares new strikes as Iran quits peace talks”
Emily Blumenthal, Benedict Smith, Connor Stringer, Lily Shanagher
The Telegraph
https://apple.news/Aob6vzfY1Td2zwmHOeRnPfg
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This was inevitable as long as Israel refused to abide by the ceasefire with Lebanon included
That should have been the first thing to be agreed

From the same article:

“The spokesman for Iran’s parliamentary national security committee said that Washington had quickly established the facts around the downing of the plane yet had not finished the investigation into the deaths of more than 100 schoolgirls in a US strike at the beginning of the war.
“In just 2 days, the Pentagon and the White House concluded that the helicopter crash in the Strait of Hormuz was Iran’s doing,” Ebrahim Rezaei said.
“Yet 102 days have passed since the Minab school massacre, and the investigation into the killing of the Minab girls is still ongoing.
“When it comes to innocent little girls, the Epsteinian liars become this forgetful.””

Excerpt From
“Trump prepares new strikes as Iran quits peace talks”
Emily Blumenthal, Benedict Smith, Connor Stringer, Lily Shanagher
The Telegraph
https://apple.news/Aob6vzfY1Td2zwmHOeRnPfg
This material may be protected by copyright.

On the Apache helicopter, Trump says it was a miracle.

He told Fox that the helicopter was hit by a drone that got "lodged between the 2 pilots". He said the drone was on fire but did not explode and the pilots brought the helicopter down onto the water.

A reminder that the Apache has a tandem seating arrangement. I have clipped a photo and attached.

So now, not only did the pilots not see the drone as it flew towards them, but that a fairly big Shahed drone got wedged between the pilots. Reports suggest it was a Shahed Drone. Diagram attached. Similar in size to a double bed.

I wonder if there is a video of this.

Ok
So it came in to the side of the plane and missed the blades ?

If it lodged between them it can’t have come head on

What are the chances of it not hitting either of the crew or the blades

What are the chances of this being all bollocks

A pic

looking at the images I'm amazed that drone didn't blow the legs off that guy in the rear
( apologies if that comment comes across as a bit graphic )
I know you all know I’m anti This war(s) and so looking for faults in Trump, but are any of us that stupid to believe this one

I am not saying it is not possible. I have heard a theory that the pilots were shooting down a drone and got too close. Explosion and fragments of the exploding drone damaged the chopper.

That would do with what I said upthread, that the drone was flying somewhere else and not targeting the chopper.

The picture Trump is painting is mad though.