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Conflict in the Middle East

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

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JadeHare · 27/05/2026 17:21

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation

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JadeHare · 01/07/2026 20:23

From The Hill:

“However, Middle East experts said Iran has shown that it isn’t scared to shut down the Hormuz Strait when it wants to back Trump into a corner, exposing the vulnerability of a memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed in mid-June.
“It doesn’t really matter how much the U.S. bombs back, because the real audience for Iran strikes is not the U.S., it’s shippers and insurers and crews who are equally threatened by Iranian attacks, no matter how much the U.S. responds,” Harrison Mann, a former U.S. Army major and executive officer of the Defense Intelligence Agency Middle East/Africa Regional Center, said in an interview with The Hill.
Mann said Iran is “trying to demonstrate seriousness on what they now consider their core demands, one of them being Iranian de facto control” of the strait.
“Iran thinks that in the MOU it’s basically been given Hormuz, and it is testing that theory, not in the negotiating room, it’s testing it in reality to see what will be accepted over time,” William F. Wechsler, the former deputy assistant secretary of defense for special operations and combatting terrorism, said in an interview with The Hill. ”

Excerpt From
“FOR INSIDERS: Iran's flex in Strait of Hormuz puts Trump on back foot”
Filip Timotija, Mallory Wilson
The Hill
https://apple.news/AuZv8dRXZQ16E8tVaoTHVww
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FOR INSIDERS: Iran's flex in Strait of Hormuz puts Trump on back foot — The Hill

Iran is flexing its leverage in the Strait of Hormuz, putting the U.S. on its back foot as it looks to resume shipping through the key passageway and curb Tehran’s nuclear program.

https://apple.news/AuZv8dRXZQ16E8tVaoTHVww

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JadeHare · 01/07/2026 20:29

Same article:

“Mann said resuming larger-scale military strikes would not make a difference, while sending more U.S. military assets to ensure cargo ships can transit the strait safely is also a no-go due to the threat of Iranian one-way attack drones.
“We are here because every military option failed, right? There’s no bigger military solution for the Trump administration. They tried massive bombing. They fortunately realized that ground operations would be too foolhardy and suicidal, so they didn’t bother with them,” Mann said.
“There’s not really a force you can deploy that will guarantee that a ship’s not going to get hit by a drone or something,” he added.
Sayeh said Trump’s version of military escalation might potentially be bombing energy infrastructure, noting that could be a “major headache.” But what could draw some serious concessions from Tehran on the diplomatic front would be hitting Iran’s internal security infrastructure, which the Israeli military targeted in the early stages of the conflict, he added.
“We are here because every military option failed, right? There’s no bigger military solution for the Trump administration. They tried massive bombing. They fortunately realized that ground operations would be too foolhardy and suicidal, so they didn’t bother with them,” Mann said.
“There’s not really a force you can deploy that will guarantee that a ship’s not going to get hit by a drone or something,” he added.
Sayeh said Trump’s version of military escalation might potentially be bombing energy infrastructure, noting that could be a “major headache.” But what could draw some serious concessions from Tehran on the diplomatic front would be hitting Iran’s internal security infrastructure, which the Israeli military targeted in the early stages of the conflict, he added.
“Trump’s threats right now are mostly economic oil infrastructure, but that doesn’t terrify regime officials, it scares them, but what terrifies them is what Israelis did, targeting internal security efforts,” he said. ”

Excerpt From
“FOR INSIDERS: Iran's flex in Strait of Hormuz puts Trump on back foot”
Filip Timotija, Mallory Wilson
The Hill
https://apple.news/AuZv8dRXZQ16E8tVaoTHVww
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FOR INSIDERS: Iran's flex in Strait of Hormuz puts Trump on back foot — The Hill

Iran is flexing its leverage in the Strait of Hormuz, putting the U.S. on its back foot as it looks to resume shipping through the key passageway and curb Tehran’s nuclear program.

https://apple.news/AuZv8dRXZQ16E8tVaoTHVww

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JadeHare · 02/07/2026 05:44

From the Wall Street Journal:

“The history of Iran nuclear talks going back to 2003 shows that the Iranians are very capable of putting off sensitive and important nuclear issues while they try and negotiate on terms and topics they prefer,” he said.
Protracted talks pose a potential problem for Trump, who in 2020 posted on social media: “Iran never won a war, but never lost a negotiation!” But a return to war also contradicts positions he has publicly taken against open-ended conflict. During his 2024 presidential campaign, he said he would “turn the page forever on those foolish, stupid days of never-ending wars. They never ended.””

“As the White House leans heavily against resuming the war, it raises the specter of a protracted stalemate during which talks continue indefinitely or tail off. Iran and the U.S. would live with the bare minimum of the interim deal terms, which include a freeze on new U.S. sanctions, the status quo on Iran’s damaged nuclear program, and oil-sanctions relief for Tehran.
“Iran is perfectly happy to substitute process for progress,” said Alan Eyre, a former senior State Department negotiator with Iran who is now at the Middle East Institute. “They realize that at least in the short term, time is on their side.””

Excerpt From
“Trump Pledged No Forever Wars. Now He Risks Forever Talks With Iran.”
Benoit Faucon, David S. Cloud, Laurence Norman
The Wall Street Journal
https://apple.news/A01NE-X1UTbePwy0aFBkyVw
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Trump Pledged No Forever Wars. Now He Risks Forever Talks With Iran. — The Wall Street Journal

Tehran has well-worn playbook for putting off concessions that cross its redlines

https://apple.news/A01NE-X1UTbePwy0aFBkyVw

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Twiglets1 · 02/07/2026 06:17

Point 8 of the Memorandum (Iran has agreed to not procure or develop a nuclear weapon, and both sides have agreed to deal with the enriched uranium Tehran already has) is linked to point 7 (The US will terminate all economic sanctions against Iran, including those included in UN Security Council resolutions and those implemented unilaterally by the US).

Because the the deal is "performance-based", the sanctions relief specified in point 7 is tied to Iran complying with point 8.

So Iran will have to engage with nuclear talks - and be seen to be complying with whatever is agreed - in order to get the sanctions relief they want after the 60 days of negotiations, or however long it takes.

Point 6 is another incentive to keep the US on side: Money for Iran reconstruction
The sixth point of the MoU says the US and regional partners will develop a "definitive, mutually agreed plan" worth at least $300bn (£224bn) for reconstruction and economic development in Iran.
The final mechanism will be agreed within 60 days of the final deal, and all licences, waivers and permissions will be granted by the US.

RedTagAlan · 02/07/2026 08:43

For people following the peace talks, a reminder of what Article 13 of the MOU says. The MOU that Trump signed and made a fanfare about.

13. After signing this MoU and subject to the beginning of the implementation of Paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10 and 11 of this MoU and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs.

This is what Trump signed. In fact, it might be Trump himself who wrote it.

If Trump wants to do article 8 first, before delivering on article 13, then he is breaking his own MOU. I wonder if Trump read it before he signed it ? He must have done surely, especially if he wrote it.

Unless it is all just a ploy to get the SoH running again. So he can try to push the whole thing under his rug ?

Twiglets1 · 02/07/2026 09:02

It's certainly possible that the MoU is just a delaying tactic and that Trump knows it will never come to pass.

But if a peace deal is ever fully agreed and acted on, you can be sure that the US won't be allowing Iran access to billions of dollars without them showing commitment in more than just words to diluting their enriched uranium amongst other things.

Maybe Iran won't do that (at the moment one hand seems to say Yes, the other No) in which case questions will be asked for those analysing the MoU about why the 60 day plus pause was agreed and who it benefits.

TopPocketFind · 02/07/2026 11:43

Iran says it is selling oil at 20% premium as end of U.S. blockade sees 40 million barrels exported

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/07/01/iran-us-mou-negotiation-war-oil-exports-strait-of-hormuz-.html

JadeHare · 02/07/2026 11:52

From the Independent:

“Indirect talks between Tehran and Washington have ended in a stalemate in Doha despite President Donald Trump insisting the US is getting along “very well” with Iran.
The discussions, which were handled by mediators, concluded on Wednesday evening, as sources said teams largely focused on issues that had supposedly already been settled.
Iran has said it would not initiate the remaining clauses of the memorandum of understanding (MoU) until the initial five clauses were fully stabilised and finalised.
But President Trump told reporters that the “denuclearisation of Iran is moving along well” and that “very good meetings” were held in Qatar as he and his vice president played down any suggestion of a return to all-out combat.
Trump’s envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner arrived in Qatar on Tuesday to meet mediators, but no direct talks have taken place.
Qatar's foreign ministry said the talks made "positive progress" on issues related to the interim agreement and were "building on the outcomes" of a previous summit in Switzerland. ”

Excerpt From
“Iran-US war latest: Talks in Qatar end in stalemate despite Trump’s claim that peace process ‘going very well’”
Shweta Sharma
The Independent
https://apple.news/AApAH3IBEQQi21uHtPZI8qw
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Children were blown up at a busy Iranian school. Trump still claims America wasn’t responsible — The Independent

Teachers called parents to pick up their kids. Then the bomb fell

https://apple.news/AG6WM7p4jSZ-LLYGp5AJW1Q

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RedTagAlan · 02/07/2026 13:34

JadeHare · 02/07/2026 11:52

From the Independent:

“Indirect talks between Tehran and Washington have ended in a stalemate in Doha despite President Donald Trump insisting the US is getting along “very well” with Iran.
The discussions, which were handled by mediators, concluded on Wednesday evening, as sources said teams largely focused on issues that had supposedly already been settled.
Iran has said it would not initiate the remaining clauses of the memorandum of understanding (MoU) until the initial five clauses were fully stabilised and finalised.
But President Trump told reporters that the “denuclearisation of Iran is moving along well” and that “very good meetings” were held in Qatar as he and his vice president played down any suggestion of a return to all-out combat.
Trump’s envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner arrived in Qatar on Tuesday to meet mediators, but no direct talks have taken place.
Qatar's foreign ministry said the talks made "positive progress" on issues related to the interim agreement and were "building on the outcomes" of a previous summit in Switzerland. ”

Excerpt From
“Iran-US war latest: Talks in Qatar end in stalemate despite Trump’s claim that peace process ‘going very well’”
Shweta Sharma
The Independent
https://apple.news/AApAH3IBEQQi21uHtPZI8qw
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It looks to me the mediators ( who appear to be a great job) are trying to keep to the MOU, Iran looks to be superglued to the MOU, but the US ? Fuck knows.

Sorry for the expletive. It is rather frustrating when the SoH needs to be opened as normal, and Trump is off if his fantasy land of Iran buying US farm machines, and the US buying food from US farmers to give to Iran. Of Iran getting money to re-arm ( he said that), about Iran needs to keep ballistic missiles, and give up it's "nuclear dust"

I totally get it. Nuclear proliferation is not good.

But reading what Trump says, I wonder if he is even on this planet.

And if anyone says Trump is putting on an act, then all I can say is what an act. And maybe it is finally time for him to stop acting as he does, and actually get this done.

JadeHare · 02/07/2026 14:24

I agree.Hard to know exactly what is going on for real. This was from the Independent just an hour ago:

“Two weeks into the 60-day peace negotiation period between Iran and the United States and - despite President Donald Trump’s claims of success - little progress has been made.
Instead, both sides appear to be regressing: hostilities have flared and officials from both sides are no longer directly talking to each other as the clock keeps ticking and key issues, such as Iran’s nuclear programme, remain unresolved.
Over the weekend both Washington and Tehran traded strikes, threatening the already fragile ceasefire in the region, despite Trump’s initial optimism after signing the memorandum of understanding which ended the four-month war.
Mediated by Qatar and Pakistan and signed at a summit on 17 June in Switzerland, the MoU includes a 60-day truce on all fronts including in Lebanon, the reopening of the blockaded Strait of Hormuz, and a timetable for a final deal on the war and Iran's nuclear programme.
That deadline is set to expire around mid-August, yet there appears to have been little development on technical talks.”

“US special envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner flew to Doha on Monday to discuss the US-Iran negotiations with Iranian officials, however Iran denied that direct talks would be taking place, according to Qatar.
Majed al-Ansari, Qatar’s foreign ministry spokesperson, told reporters that no high-level meetings or direct talks between the two sides were scheduled. Instead lower level officials ended up speaking to mediators about future talks, while Witkoff and Kushner met Qatar's Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani on Tuesday. They also met ruler Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani.”

“Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said an Iranian official will also be in Doha, but only to engage in talks with mediators regarding the interim peace agreement and details surrounding the potential release of frozen Iranian assets.
"No meeting at any level with the American side has been scheduled for the coming days," he said.
There have been conflicting reports on the status of the talks, with Trump declaring on Monday that Iran had “requested” a meeting, but Iranian officials swiftly rejected the idea.
The last time the two sides were engaged in indirect talks was when the war was still happening.”

“Trump remains optimistic and claims that progress is being made in the indirect talks with Iran in Qatar, despite the obvious hiccups.
"As far as things are going, the denuclearization of Iran is moving along well," Trump told reporters on Wednesday before boarding Air Force One.
"We hit them very hard... but we're getting along very well."
On Wednesday, sources told the Wall Street Journal that the US president would prefer to continue with diplomatic efforts than a return to all-out war, believing that further conflict could undermine Washington’s efforts to dismantle Iran’s nuclear program.
Publicly, Trump maintains the talks are succeeding and that military options remain should they deteriorate. “They’re agreeing to everything that I want, and they have to,” he told reporters last week. “Otherwise, we just go back and do what we have to do.””

Excerpt From
“Trump’s Iran peace process descends into farce as ‘talks about talks’ end in stalemate”
Jessie Williams
The Independent
https://apple.news/Ae2V07EyWSEyhCYfbbdC9ag
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JadeHare · 02/07/2026 14:26

I mean,

“They’re agreeing to everything that I want, and they have to,”.

Not sure I believe him.

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Twiglets1 · 02/07/2026 15:25

Bit of a disconnect there between what @RedTagAlan is reading and what @JadeHare is.

For Red, "Iran looks to be superglued to the MOU".

For Jade, "both sides appear to be regressing: hostilities have flared and officials from both sides are no longer directly talking to each other as the clock keeps ticking and key issues, such as Iran’s nuclear programme, remain unresolved.
Over the weekend both Washington and Tehran traded strikes..."

JadeHare · 03/07/2026 09:28

From Foreign Policy:

“The problems that are cropping up in U.S.-Iran relations stem in large part from the 14-point MOU that committed the United States to a lot and Iran to a little. In exchange for sanctions relief, access to frozen funds, an Iranian vow to control the Strait of Hormuz but later, and many billions of dollars in reconstruction funds in the future if a final deal is signed, Iran committed to basically nothing.
“The text is drafted in such a way that I have been calling it a ‘memo of misunderstanding,’” said Miad Maleki, a sanctions expert at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington-based think tank that advocates a hawkish approach to Iran.
“This is Iran’s way. On certain things, like sanctions relief, they know what they want, while their phased commitments are very vague,” said Maleki, who spent nearly a decade at the U.S. Treasury Department orchestrating sanctions. “The Iranian regime never wants to negotiate to resolve problems—they negotiate to manage pressure.””

“Case in point: The indirect talks this week in Doha, Qatar, between the United States and Iran—which from the U.S. point of view were meant to start chewing on the bone of the question of Iran’s nuclear program—are still, at Tehran’s behest, bogged down in the implementation of an understanding reached last month. Iranian officials such as Ghalibaf insist that the United States has to meet the written conditions laid out in the MOU before more serious talks can begin.

Just to take a step back: The United States expended a large portion of its munitions, both precision-guided bombs and missiles such as Tomahawks and advanced missile interceptors such as Patriots, in a multiweek burst of “epic fury” in order to create a situation where Iran believes it will remain in control of one of the world’s key shipping corridors (and may well do so), all while ensuring for itself sanctions relief and billions of dollars in economic oxygen.”

“While U.S. President Donald Trump still mulls the idea of restarting the war with Iran, few take that seriously because kinetic action achieved little except higher gasoline prices, and the U.S. midterm elections are now even closer. To get a short-term peace, Trump offered all carrots and no sticks. Even future carrots: The MOU actually commits the United States to refraining from future sanctions on Iran.
“The only leverage we have left is to threaten to reinstate the blockade,” said Maleki, noting how much harm the U.S. embargo on all maritime traffic had, by Tehran’s own admission, on the Iranian economy. “I kind of feel like we gave away the leverage we had for nothing concrete, not even the opening of Hormuz.””

“Even if the Biden administration was at times lax on the enforcement of sanctions against Iran, such as on shadow tankers and oil exports, former President Joe “Biden never said no new sanctions. We have agreed to no new sanctions, so that is a very important point of leverage that the Iranians got from us,” Maleki added.
The really pressing question is what happens with Hormuz. Iran has said for months that it does not intend to go back to the way things were, before the war, and has toyed with a toll scheme or a service fee scheme and every manner of interference in the free movement of shipping. Now, reportedly, the Omanis are on board with some sort of pay-to-play regime for shipping in the Persian Gulf.
It’s important to separate the Iranian rhetoric from the future reality. While Iran and Oman do, in conjunction with U.S. Central Command, control the Strait of Hormuz today, tomorrow may be different. Iran doesn’t have a lot of friends, and those it does have either live on the strait or rely on it.”

Excerpt From
“The MOU Is Paying Off Early for Iran”
Keith Johnson
Foreign Policy
https://apple.news/Az3Hae9JLSAWijFue2gc5bQ
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The MOU Is Paying Off Early for Iran — Foreign Policy

Washington and Tehran are grappling over a “memorandum of misunderstanding.”

https://apple.news/Az3Hae9JLSAWijFue2gc5bQ

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TopPocketFind · 03/07/2026 10:43

Khamenei’s six-day funeral starts tomorrow as well as the USA 250 year independence celebrations.

JadeHare · 03/07/2026 10:51

From Laura Loomer, a staunch ally of Donald’s. What could possibly go wrong?

Loomer stirred the internet on Thursday with a post indicating the idea of bombing Iran. She replied to a post stating that Khamenei's body was currently in cold storage as Iran prepared for a “historic funeral” by writing, “A funeral for Khameni? That’s what we call a target rich environment. 💣," on her social media handle.

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Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 11:52

JadeHare · 03/07/2026 10:51

From Laura Loomer, a staunch ally of Donald’s. What could possibly go wrong?

Loomer stirred the internet on Thursday with a post indicating the idea of bombing Iran. She replied to a post stating that Khamenei's body was currently in cold storage as Iran prepared for a “historic funeral” by writing, “A funeral for Khameni? That’s what we call a target rich environment. 💣," on her social media handle.

What a ridiculous inflammatory comment to make.

Can’t understand why they all don’t just button it while sensitive negotiations are going on.

TopPocketFind · 03/07/2026 16:38

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/03/politics/assassination-warning-us-israel-iran

US officials attempted to warn Iran of fears they had that Israel would assassinate meditators during talks this spring, two US officials said.
The officials said the US worried that Israel might assassinate Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the Iranian parliamentary speaker who is leading negotiations with the US, or Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, who has also been a public face of the talks. The warnings were communicated through intermediaries, the officials said.

The New York Times first reported on the warnings.

There were no immediate indications on Friday that US intelligence had knowledge of a specific plot that prompted the warning. The top Israeli defense official has been public about Jerusalem’s desire to kill senior Iranian leaders, and President Donald Trump has in the past made clear that those efforts were complicating negotiations.

JadeHare · 03/07/2026 18:07

Yes. I posted this on another thread:

“Senior U.S. officials feared that Israel intended to assassinate Iran’s top negotiators as the Trump administration pursued a high-stakes deal to end the war there and reopen the Strait of Hormuz, current and former officials familiar with the matter said.
Washington’s objection to killing Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s foreign minister, and Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the country’s parliamentary speaker, was so acute that this spring it took the extraordinary step of asking intermediaries to warn Iran about Israel’s assassination aims, the officials said.
“You kill those folks and you’re killing the pragmatists,” said a U.S. official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the U.S. outlook on Israel’s targeted killing campaign.”
Excerpt From
“U.S. warned Iran about Israel’s aims to assassinate leaders”
John Hudson, Ellen Nakashima
The Washington Post
https://apple.news/APOhEIdo5TVCpJrDm3OFGBA
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U.S. warned Iran about Israel’s aims to assassinate leaders — The Washington Post

In the spring, U.S. officials suspected that Israel intended to kill Iran’s top negotiators and sent a warning to Tehran to take precautions.

https://apple.news/APOhEIdo5TVCpJrDm3OFGBA

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rainingsnoring · 04/07/2026 04:36

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2026 10:08

If you think that Iran had no nuclear ambitions pre war then can you explain why they had enriched uranium to beyond the grade necessary for domestic use?
(preferably without meaningless statements like because they could).

I don't know the answer to this Twigs as I have no links to Iran. We can make educated guesses at the reasons. It may be because Trump stupidly withdrew from the JCPOA deal and the Iranians decided to do it in protest at this or perhaps to increase their leverage in the future or perhaps as a signal to other countries in the region who they perceived as a threat. We do know that the Iranians had been complying with the JCPOA deal and that they continued to allow inspections.
I fail to see why Iran should be singled out as a threat when all the other countries in the region have been and possibly continue to fund resistance/terrorist groups, as does the US. Objectively, there is no specific reason for it. Most of the reasons given are simply Western propoganda.

rainingsnoring · 04/07/2026 04:39

JadeHare · 03/07/2026 10:51

From Laura Loomer, a staunch ally of Donald’s. What could possibly go wrong?

Loomer stirred the internet on Thursday with a post indicating the idea of bombing Iran. She replied to a post stating that Khamenei's body was currently in cold storage as Iran prepared for a “historic funeral” by writing, “A funeral for Khameni? That’s what we call a target rich environment. 💣," on her social media handle.

Laura Loomer is an exceptionally appalling person. Sadly, she is not the only one in or closely connected with the US administration.

Twiglets1 · 04/07/2026 07:02

rainingsnoring · 04/07/2026 04:36

I don't know the answer to this Twigs as I have no links to Iran. We can make educated guesses at the reasons. It may be because Trump stupidly withdrew from the JCPOA deal and the Iranians decided to do it in protest at this or perhaps to increase their leverage in the future or perhaps as a signal to other countries in the region who they perceived as a threat. We do know that the Iranians had been complying with the JCPOA deal and that they continued to allow inspections.
I fail to see why Iran should be singled out as a threat when all the other countries in the region have been and possibly continue to fund resistance/terrorist groups, as does the US. Objectively, there is no specific reason for it. Most of the reasons given are simply Western propoganda.

It’s not Western propaganda to say that Iran is committed to the destruction of another country. They openly admit they want to destroy Israel and they fund terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah to do just that.

Why do you think so many world leaders who agree on little else are all agreed that Iran must never have a nuclear weapon. It’s not a coincidence that this is said against Iran. There is a lack of trust in Iran that they wouldn’t destroy Israel completely if they had the capability. You may trust them on that, others do not and are not prepared to leave it up to chance. There is no convincing answer as to why they have enriched uranium to 60% or why they have been so reluctant to agree to dilute it as soon as possible in exchange for the lifting of sanctions.

The most obvious answer is normally the right one when we are not entirely sure of motivation. The West is not stupid, we see the regime for who they are - terrorists - and what they want to do to Israel. I know you will disagree but luckily it’s not up to you to decide that’s it’s probably ok for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon because that’s only fair considering other countries have them. The threat level is just too high considering their hatred of Israel in the opinion of all the people including world leaders who agree on this issue.

JadeHare · 04/07/2026 07:03

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. From the Washington Post:

“U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner traveled to Doha this week to talk with Qatari mediators about how to break the impasse and settle the implementation of last month’s initial agreement to open the strait. Both the U.S. and Iranian teams discussed recent fighting in Lebanon with Qatari mediators, a conflict that has added another wrinkle to the process, people familiar with the discussions said.
The U.S. diplomats offered a trade-off to Iran, the people said: Relinquish its claim to control the strait and renounce toll payments in exchange for billions of dollars of unfrozen funds.”

“Under last month’s pact with the U.S., Iran was set to get access to part of the $100 billion of its funds frozen abroad. Iran’s economy is badly in need of a fresh injection of foreign currency amid rampant inflation driven by years of sanctions.
Talks had initially been progressing toward the release of $6 billion held in Qatar but Iran’s decision to block the strait has set back the release, the people said.
On Thursday, Iran signaled the reward wasn’t enough to change its position. Upon returning from Doha, Iran’s negotiator, Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi, insisted Hormuz is “under Iran’s command,” not the U.S.’s.
Tehran’s military doubled down later in the day, warning that any ship not passing through an Iran-approved route would face an “immediate and powerful” response.”

Ultimately, Iran wants to charge fees for every vessel crossing the strait in exchange for services such as security, and hopes to get the bulk of the annual $40 billion a year they could generate. The demand has been rejected by the U.S. and its Gulf neighbors.

Excerpt From
“U.S. Dangles Rewards for Opening the Strait of Hormuz. Iran Isn’t Budging.”
Alexander Ward, Benoit Faucon, Summer Said
The Wall Street Journal
https://apple.news/Ar2eM-srkRA-P3_9qHkxwVQ
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Trump Pledged No Forever Wars. Now He Risks Forever Talks With Iran. — The Wall Street Journal

Tehran has well-worn playbook for putting off concessions that cross its redlines

https://apple.news/PwVykBFa0ywPebTU1X-EN10

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rainingsnoring · 04/07/2026 09:53

Twiglets1 · 04/07/2026 07:02

It’s not Western propaganda to say that Iran is committed to the destruction of another country. They openly admit they want to destroy Israel and they fund terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah to do just that.

Why do you think so many world leaders who agree on little else are all agreed that Iran must never have a nuclear weapon. It’s not a coincidence that this is said against Iran. There is a lack of trust in Iran that they wouldn’t destroy Israel completely if they had the capability. You may trust them on that, others do not and are not prepared to leave it up to chance. There is no convincing answer as to why they have enriched uranium to 60% or why they have been so reluctant to agree to dilute it as soon as possible in exchange for the lifting of sanctions.

The most obvious answer is normally the right one when we are not entirely sure of motivation. The West is not stupid, we see the regime for who they are - terrorists - and what they want to do to Israel. I know you will disagree but luckily it’s not up to you to decide that’s it’s probably ok for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon because that’s only fair considering other countries have them. The threat level is just too high considering their hatred of Israel in the opinion of all the people including world leaders who agree on this issue.

Obviously you would think this way because you agree with what I have called Western propoganda. You seem to have missed the fact that the US president has repeatedly made genocidal threats against Iran at the same time that he started a war against them. You also seem to have missed the fact that some in the Israeli government have also made genocidal threats and have been actively carrying out a genocide in the region and have repeatedly attacked many of their neighbours. This is not to defend Iran but to demonstrate my first sentence. Where did I say that I think it is fine for Iran to have nuclear weapons? You have a bad habit of making things up.
I do not believe in wars and nuclear weapons in general. I certainly do not believe in US foreign policy.

Twiglets1 · 04/07/2026 12:22

@rainingsnoring when I questioned above why Iran has enriched uranium to 60% which is above the level needed for domestic use, your response appeared to suggest they were entitled to develop uranium to as high a level as they like because “I fail to see why Iran should be singled out…”

Perhaps you could clarify then whether in your opinion Iran should be allowed to develop the capability for nuclear weapons, on the basis that other countries have been allowed to develop them?

JadeHare · 05/07/2026 07:44

From the Washington Post:

“The swift consolidation of power by loyalists contradicts claims by President Donald Trump that the war accomplished “regime change” and empowered pragmatists willing to acquiesce to U.S. demands.
“They have a new group of leaders,” Trump said during the Group of Seven summit in France last month. “Actually, I think they’re smart. … They’re far less radicalized, and I think they’re very, very good.”
Instead, officials and experts said that Trump’s approach — including threats to annihilate Iran’s civilization, a country of more than 90 million — has bolstered hard-liners’ claims that the country is in an existential struggle with the United States and its allies.
This has weakened the hand of moderates who were key to negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program a decade ago.”

“Experts and officials warn that the younger Khamenei and his inner circle probably will face a more difficult test when the war truly ends, and they confront the challenge of rebuilding Iran’s battered economy and improving conditions for its people.
The Trump administration’s agreement, in a preliminary memorandum of understanding, to release billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets and provide other financial benefits could deliver a lifeline to Iran’s new leadership team.”

“The regime also faces more immediate challenges, such as demonstrating that the younger Khamenei has recovered from injuries sustained in the strike that killed his father and is capable of handling the full range of duties — including the public appearances that come with being supreme leader.
The funeral looms as a critical test of the regime’s confidence that he can be protected, and will be scrutinized by analysts at the CIA and other intelligence agencies — much as they scoured footage of Soviet parades and politburo meetings during the Cold War — for clues to the leader’s condition and the identities of others who have gained clout.”

“Even in peace time, Mojtaba Khamenei kept a low profile. He has been photographed in public only a handful of times, and few Iranians have heard him speak.
The war sent him deeper underground. Officials and experts said that he probably is being moved among bunkers and other secure locations to protect him from airstrikes or assassination.”

“Even in hiding, Khamenei is believed to be handling high-level decisions, U.S. and Middle Eastern officials said, though security precautions have meant that his decisions and statements mainly are relayed through intermediaries, creating a cumbersome dynamic.
‘It’s very clear by now that Mojtaba Khamenei is making the strategic decisions,” Zimmt said, while those below him have formed a leadership “collective” that has influence on key issues but answers to the ayatollah.
Khamenei is believed to have set boundaries for negotiations with the United States, experts said, ruling out substantive discussion of Iran’s nuclear program before a durable ceasefire took effect.
Like his father, he also has distanced himself from decisions that could backfire. He publicly expressed reservations about the MOU his government signed with the United States, for example, but allowed it to proceed citing assurances from subordinates.”

“He also took a shot at his U.S. counterpart. Iran had agreed to sign the memo “out of compassion and goodwill,” he said, while Trump had done so “out of desperation.”
The new leadership team supplants a generation forged by years of operating in the shadows of the resistance to the autocratic rule of the shah, followed by the chaotic 1979 revolution and its aftermath.
Those in charge now, experts said, are part of a postrevolutionary cohort who are less extreme in their religious views but equally ruthless in their willingness to use brutal force to maintain control.
Their understanding of the United States has less to do with the hostage crisis of 1979 than their front-row view of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, conflicts that went on for years but ended with the United States having achieved few of its core aims.
The new group’s more sophisticated grasp of American pressure points may account for Iran’s strategy of launching retaliatory strikes against Persian Gulf allies of the United States, as well as its halting of tanker traffic through the Strait of Hormuz, which yielded major economic leverage.
Even after an initial ceasefire was announced in April, “Iran has demonstrated that it remains willing to resume its use of military force, an aggressive stance that has helped it extract key economic concessions from the United States and allowed the regime to craft a narrative at home that it prevailed in the war.
“They are brimming with confidence,” said a European official in regular contact with Iranian officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity given the sensitivity of the matter.* *“They not only survived, they rediscovered the Strait of Hormuz as a big lever, and they really think that they can dictate terms.””

Excerpt From
“Iran’s regime survived the war and is now savvier, ruthless and more hard-line”
Susannah George, Greg Miller
The Washington Post
https://apple.news/AjfwWek48RfaOD3rSDcINBg
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Iran’s regime survived the war and is now savvier, ruthless and more hard-line — The Washington Post

After surviving months of strikes by the U.S. and Israel, the Iranian regime has emerged emboldened, contradicting Trump’s claim of accomplishing “regime change.”

https://apple.news/AjfwWek48RfaOD3rSDcINBg

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