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Conflict in the Middle East

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

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JadeHare · 27/05/2026 17:21

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation

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Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 09:34

Do you agree with Khamenei that Iranian officials only agreed to sign the memo “out of compassion and goodwill,” @JadeHare ?

Perhaps worth considering whether the IRGC are known for those particular traits.

JadeHare · 05/07/2026 10:13

Just putting a news source out there Twigs. Nothing more sinister.

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Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 15:42

JadeHare · 05/07/2026 10:13

Just putting a news source out there Twigs. Nothing more sinister.

Imagine the mockery if Trump claimed US officials only signed the memo “out of compassion and goodwill.”

rainingsnoring · 06/07/2026 00:06

Twiglets1 · 04/07/2026 12:22

@rainingsnoring when I questioned above why Iran has enriched uranium to 60% which is above the level needed for domestic use, your response appeared to suggest they were entitled to develop uranium to as high a level as they like because “I fail to see why Iran should be singled out…”

Perhaps you could clarify then whether in your opinion Iran should be allowed to develop the capability for nuclear weapons, on the basis that other countries have been allowed to develop them?

You've done a bit of cheery picking there haven't you Twigs!
Here is my response for you again:

'I don't know the answer to this Twigs as I have no links to Iran. We can make educated guesses at the reasons. It may be because Trump stupidly withdrew from the JCPOA deal and the Iranians decided to do it in protest at this or perhaps to increase their leverage in the future or perhaps as a signal to other countries in the region who they perceived as a threat. We do know that the Iranians had been complying with the JCPOA deal and that they continued to allow inspections.
I fail to see why Iran should be singled out as a threat when all the other countries in the region have been and possibly continue to fund resistance/terrorist groups, as does the US. Objectively, there is no specific reason for it. Most of the reasons given are simply Western propoganda.'

You then responded with what I called Western propoganda, a post about how the Iranians are committed to the destruction of Israel, how they fund terrorists, how they don't have a 'convincing answer' as to why they have enriched their uranium, etc

I pointed out that Israel and the US have not only made genocidal threats and actually carried them out, something that you had chosen to ignore. They all fund terrorists too, something that I have pointed out on these threads before too and Israel and the US also have nuclear weapons already, as you know.
I also said that I do not believe in nuclear weapons and wars in general.

You seem to have then concluded that I am suggesting that Iran should have nuclear weapons because other countries have them.

I conclude that there is some difficulty with reading/comprehension because this bears no relation to what I have actually said.

RedTagAlan · 06/07/2026 02:22

rainingsnoring · 06/07/2026 00:06

You've done a bit of cheery picking there haven't you Twigs!
Here is my response for you again:

'I don't know the answer to this Twigs as I have no links to Iran. We can make educated guesses at the reasons. It may be because Trump stupidly withdrew from the JCPOA deal and the Iranians decided to do it in protest at this or perhaps to increase their leverage in the future or perhaps as a signal to other countries in the region who they perceived as a threat. We do know that the Iranians had been complying with the JCPOA deal and that they continued to allow inspections.
I fail to see why Iran should be singled out as a threat when all the other countries in the region have been and possibly continue to fund resistance/terrorist groups, as does the US. Objectively, there is no specific reason for it. Most of the reasons given are simply Western propoganda.'

You then responded with what I called Western propoganda, a post about how the Iranians are committed to the destruction of Israel, how they fund terrorists, how they don't have a 'convincing answer' as to why they have enriched their uranium, etc

I pointed out that Israel and the US have not only made genocidal threats and actually carried them out, something that you had chosen to ignore. They all fund terrorists too, something that I have pointed out on these threads before too and Israel and the US also have nuclear weapons already, as you know.
I also said that I do not believe in nuclear weapons and wars in general.

You seem to have then concluded that I am suggesting that Iran should have nuclear weapons because other countries have them.

I conclude that there is some difficulty with reading/comprehension because this bears no relation to what I have actually said.

Having Nukes has worked out for Kim in the DPRK. He gets left alone.

In Kims case though there was no JCPOA, so no mechanism for them to negotiate dropping of any sanctions. Indeed, sanctions have increased to pretty much 100% because they developed the bomb. Also worth noting that the DPRK has no oil. They do not have anything in world demand.

Iran has oil though. And the JCPOA was a hell of a carrot for them. Behave and you get sanctions lifted, and you can sell your oil. And there are the billions they have abroad that that they can't access.

So after Trump tore up the JCPOA, how could Iran get it's carrot back? How about they enrich Uranium? And I suppose when one thinks about, what other way to get that carrot back? The Government could step down, or offer internal reforms? But that would be difficult when they are a theocracy and they believe they are doing their Gods work.

On the last point, I reckon Iran could be compared to the Vatican. Would international pressure/ sanctions against the Pope work ? You know, for women's equality and dropping their anti birth control position? Nah, because the Vatican is a theocracy.

And on enriching Uranium. They already have the uranium. And they have the kit to enrich it. So just keep enriching it. They don't actually need to build a bomb. Enriching the Uranium is enough. If they did build and test a bomb, then they have the DPRK as a lesson. That would be instant 100% UN sanctions. And of course, the enriched Uranium can be "diluted" down with their depleted Uranium at any time, for use in their reactors.

Twiglets1 · 06/07/2026 05:16

@rainingsnoring I asked you if you could clarify whether in your opinion Iran should be allowed to develop the capability for nuclear weapons, on the basis that other countries are allowed to develop them?

JadeHare · 06/07/2026 15:48

From Foreign Policy:

“When Iran expanded the Israeli-American war by striking Persian Gulf Arab states, many observers assumed this new low in Iran-Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) relations would endure for years and drive Arab states closer to Israel. Tehran’s escalation seemed to validate Israel’s argument that the Gulf monarchies needed to align with it against their common Persian threat.
Instead, the opposite appears to be unfolding. Regional states have concluded that containing and isolating Iran not only failed but also produced a disastrous war that exposed both the unreliability and the stunning limits of the U.S. security umbrella. Rather than doubling down on Iran’s exclusion, Arab states are writing a new playbook: pursuing economic interdependence with Iran while incorporating Tehran into a new, region-led security architecture.”

“Part of what we are doing now, as regional countries, is to create this regional security framework between us and Iran,” Qatar’s prime minister, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani, told the Financial Times. “That will hopefully have economic cooperation in the future between all of us—to bring the region back to stability.”
Perhaps more importantly, Saudi Arabia has emerged as the driving force behind this shift. While a date has yet to be announced, Riyadh is preparing to host the GCC states and Iran for talks on a regional non-aggression pact, maritime security, and confidence-building measures modeled on Europe’s 1975 Helsinki Accords, with the goal of establishing regular ministerial and leaders’ meetings on regional security. The broader objective is a new Middle East security architecture rooted more in regional cooperation and less in U.S. military guarantees.”

“These developments further undermine Washington’s long-standing claim that, absent U.S. military primacy, the Middle East would descend into chaos. Instead, they reinforce the restrainers’ argument that regional states will assume greater responsibility for their own security as the United States steps back. Indeed, rather than shielding the region from instability, the United States has often been its principal source. After all, it was the United States and Israel that launched the last two unprovoked wars against Iran—both while negotiations were underway.
Indeed, if the U.S.-Iran Memorandum of Understanding translates into a final deal that lifts sanctions on Iran and blesses Iran’s regional reintegration, it will further reinforce this process as it will eliminate the key motivation for keeping U.S. troops in the Middle East in the first place: the policy of containing Iran. Much indicates that one of the Trump administration’s motivations for engaging the regional powers so intimately in the negotiations with Tehran is to lay the groundwork for shifting the burden of regional security to these states as part of the deal with Iran.”

“Yet while Washington should welcome a regional order that shifts the burden of security from U.S. taxpayers and service members to the region itself, the current approach risks repeating an old mistake. Instead of building a genuinely inclusive security architecture—one that is organized against no state and rejects bloc formations—it may simply reverse the region’s fault lines. Iran’s de-containment would be paired with Israel’s re-containment, pushing it toward international isolation. Rather than replacing the Abraham Accords with a more inclusive order, the region risks creating an anti-Abraham Accords organized around containing Israel.
It is often forgotten how isolated Israel was outside of the West before the Oslo Accords took shape. Between 1991 and 1994, Israel normalized relations with at least 36 countries, including China, India, and the Holy See. These normalizations occurred based on the implicit assumption that Israel would allow for the establishment of a Palestinian state, an understanding the Israelis quickly reneged on. Though Israel is not likely to return to its pre-Oslo isolation, given the plummeting of its standing globally the trend may certainly be in that direction.”

“Of course, Israel has undoubtedly earned isolation through its destabilizing conduct, mass killing of Palestinians, and expansionist policies. Greater regional cohesion to pressure Israel is both justified and necessary. But neither isolation nor pressure alone is likely to fundamentally alter Israeli calculations unless they are paired with a credible pathway to rehabilitation—however remote that prospect may seem today.
It would be a missed opportunity not to pursue a more ambitious vision—one that seeks not only to stabilize the Persian Gulf through Iran’s inclusion but also to harness this shift to achieve Palestinian self-determination.”

“The Better Order Project has laid out a pathway for this. In parallel with a process to end the occupation of Palestine building on U.N. General Assembly Resolution ES-10/24 and the International Court of Justice (ICJ) advisory opinion of July 2024 that found that “the State of Israel’s continued presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory is unlawful” and that Israel is obligated to bring that unlawful presence to an end as rapidly as possible, a U.N. Security Council-endorsed process should begin to develop a truly inclusive security architecture. This would be inspired by the Helsinki process, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, and based on the principles of collective security, the centrality of states and noninterference in the internal affairs of others (that is, the use of militias), a rejection of containment-based logic, and the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force and the ensuring of equal security for all.
A permanent, formal organization should be set up to facilitate diplomacy and manage the region’s security. Initial steps should focus on integrating more countries into existing economic and political arrangements, such as trade agreements and energy collaboration.

“Instead of excluding Israel from this architecture, the door to Israel’s inclusion should be kept wide open but on the condition that Israel fully implements the ICJ ruling and ends the occupation. In return, Israel would be offered something far more consequential than the Abraham Accords ever promised. Instead of normalization with Saudi Arabia alone, it would gain full integration into a regional security architecture. This would also require Iran to accept Israel’s inclusion, which Tehran has previously indicated it would do if a Palestinian state—or another settlement accepted by the Palestinians—were established.
But the price of admission must be clear and uncompromising: not a pathway toward Palestinian statehood or a vague political horizon, but the actual establishment of a sovereign Palestinian state based on the 1967 lines.”

“The two processes should advance in parallel, but neither should be allowed to hold the other hostage. Israeli resistance to ending the occupation, for instance, should not delay the construction of a new regional security architecture. On the contrary, progress without Israel would gradually create a powerful incentive for Israeli society to choose coexistence over isolation. Israel’s current calculation—that the costs of ending the occupation outweigh the benefits—is likely to shift once a functioning regional security order is in place and Israelis can clearly observe the strategic and economic dividends of a fundamental change in course.
By thinking bigger, the region’s leaders can ensure that the collapse of the old order gives rise to something far more stable and durable. They can seize this moment not only to resolve the principal source of instability in the Persian Gulf—Iran’s exclusion—but also to address the central source of instability in the Middle East: Israel’s continued occupation of Palestine.”

“History rarely offers great powers the chance to leave a region on better terms than they entered it. This is one of those moments. If the region’s leaders seize the opportunity to build an inclusive security order, Washington’s wisest course will be to encourage rather than dominate the process. For U.S. President Donald Trump, the reward would not be ownership of a new Middle East, but something more valuable: the distinction of being the American president who recognized that the region was finally ready to shoulder its own security—and had the wisdom to let it. Though Trump started this unwise war, he has the opportunity to make an audacious pivot to peace his defining legacy.”

Excerpt From
“Israel Belongs in the New Saudi-Iranian Order”
Trita Parsi
Foreign Policy
https://apple.news/A7quOACtwRhqVoytuZF7pjw
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A New Order for the Gulf

The region must build its own security, not buy it.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/new-order-gulf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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RedTagAlan · 06/07/2026 16:17

@JadeHare

Your last post is long I wont quote it.

“When Iran expanded the Israeli-American war by striking Persian Gulf Arab states, many observers assumed this new low in Iran-Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) relations would endure for years and drive Arab states closer to Israel. Tehran’s escalation seemed to validate Israel’s argument that the Gulf monarchies needed to align with it against their common Persian threat."

Personally, I think that article is way over complicating things. It was pointed out on day one that this was going to be about ammo counting. Iran fired low cost missiles and drones at the Gulf states, and almost the whole world stock of high cost , low manufacturing capacity, interceptors were used up. And the US can't replenish the stocks.

The Gulf States know that Iran has much more missiles and drones than they can defend against. And they can't rely on the US to help them. So, it's about stopping future attacks from Iran now,

Plus, the fact that all the Gulf States are authoritarian. Last thing they want is another "Arab Spring" if the Iranian attacks resume and the missiles get through.

Just my opinion, before anyone lambasts me for being wrong.

JadeHare · 06/07/2026 16:39

No, I agree with your assessment. Iran used cheap shit and it cost the USA a lot in terms of money and interceptors.

The Gulf States know they need to bounce back, and bounce back ASAP if they are going to stand a chance going forward. So making friends with Iran is going to make sense to them at this stage.

I am honestly surprised the UAE signed the Abraham Accords in the first place. Three bombs went off in the UAE the day they were signed. Of course, kept as hush hush as they could. Sheik Zayed would have been turning in his grave.

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JadeHare · 06/07/2026 17:44

Still think this war, which has put us back to exactly where we were before it started was a good idea? From the Independent:

“Tens of millions of people around the world could be pushed into a hunger crisis thanks to the fallout from Donald Trump’s war in Iran.
A fragile ceasefire that paused the US and Israel’s strikes on Iran and led to the reopening of a critical global shipping pathway, the Strait of Hormuz, may ease pressure on global energy markets, but the disruption has already triggered a chain of events that could deepen hunger in some of the world’s poorest countries in the coming months, aid agencies have said.
Northern Nigeria is facing its worst hunger crisis in nearly a decade, one that is worsening far faster than anticipated, while Gaza, Sudan, South Sudan, and Somalia are at risk of famine.”

“In Afghanistan, aid agencies have reported an alarming rise in admissions of children with severe malnutrition, while almost half of Yemen’s population are experiencing crisis or worse levels of acute food insecurity.
Farmers often buy fertiliser months before harvest so rocketing prices have forced some to plant without it, to change crops this year or to plant less. Some, in places like Sudan, which is already considered the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, have not planted at all, according to Selena Victor, Senior Director of Policy for Mercy Corps.
“Despite a ceasefire between Iran and the US, the damage has been done,” she told The Independent. “The crops have already been planted … This will play out into the harvest season at the end of this year, and because that will also deplete the land, this will also play out into 2027. It is a long tail shock.””

“In March, the UN predicted that the Strait of Hormuz blockade could leave an additional 45 million people facing acute hunger, meaning the estimated 318 million people facing acute food insecurity would rise to up to 363 million. That is a record high for global hunger this century, beyond that caused by the Ukraine war. The worst of the shock was expected in east and southern Africa, where 17.7 million more people could go hungry.
Jean-Martin Bauer, the World Food Programme’s Director of Food Security and Nutrition Analysis, toldThe Independent that with conflict, climate shocks and a funding shortfall hitting at the same time “the worst is not behind us”.
The world is going to continue to feel the impact of this into next year,” he said, adding that early action would alleviate significant suffering later, but the necessary funding is not there.”

“These warnings are backed by a new report from the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) which warned that the biggest concern is not oil itself but the cascade effect: higher energy prices lead to more expensive fertiliser, transport and farming, ultimately pushing up food prices and increasing hunger.”

“Millions more people could be unable to afford or access enough nutritious food as the world’s most fragile countries already grapple with sweeping cuts to international aid.
A super El Niño is also expected to bring drought to some food-producing regions and flooding to others.
Countries that rely heavily on imports of both fuel and staple foods, such as those in sub-Saharan Africa where climate and poverty are often compounded by conflict, are particularly vulnerable. A recent analysis published by investigative platform Follow the Money, found that as many as 100 or 200 million additional people could be impacted.”

“We should not see these food shortages as a nutrition crisis only, warned Dr Kirrily de Polnay, a senior child health and nutrition specialist and Médecins Sans Frontières, but as a child health crisis. Children weakened by malnutrition are far more likely to die from otherwise treatable diseases because their immune systems are compromised.
“If there was an earthquake, or a volcano right now, we would see it, but actually that would be much less devastating than 18 months of failed crops,” said Ms Victor of Mercy Corps.”

“The global humanitarian system has struggled to fill the gaps left by abrupt and brutal cuts to international aid by major donor governments, led by the US. It has forced UN agencies and NGOs to scale back food assistance, close nutrition programmes and reduce support for some of the world’s most vulnerable communities.
Humanitarian agencies say the funding shortfall has also left them less able to respond as needs continue to rise, raising fears that acute hunger could quickly become malnutrition.
“We needed to act in the early days of straight closing,” said Ms Victor. “And people did, but they’re working with sticking plasters.””

“The cuts have rolled back progress in tackling malnutrition by “about ten years”, warned MSF’s Ms de Polnay, adding that with overlapping crises she doesn’t "see it getting any better."
Children with moderate malnutrition who would previously have been treated early are now often sent away until they become critically ill as resources have had to be re-focused on the most extreme cases.
This is being felt acutely in Afghanistan, where MSF says admissions of severely malnourished children in its southern hospitals are higher than at the same point in any of the past five years, despite the seasonal peak still being weeks away.
"After 15 years of doing this, it’s still the same kid I’m seeing,” de Polnay said, lamenting the lack of solid advancement. “It’s still the same situation.””

Excerpt From
“Tens of millions face being pushed into hunger crisis by Trump’s Iran war fallout”
Liz Cookman
The Independent
https://apple.news/Au8hW-5ovQo-2xlpLvjoxuQ
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Twiglets1 · 07/07/2026 06:41

Iran reportedly fires missiles at commercial ships in Strait of Hormuz

Iran’s Revolutionary Guards fired at least two missiles at commercial ships transiting through the Strait of Hormuz on Monday night, Axios reported, citing two U.S. officials.

Separately, the U.K.’s maritime security agency said a tanker caught fire after being hit by an unknown projectile east of Oman’s Limah early on Tuesday.

The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations agency (UKMTO) said early on Tuesday that the tanker was struck on its port side while traveling southbound about 8 nautical miles (15 kilometers) east of Limah, causing a fire. No casualties or environmental impact had been reported.

The reports underscored the risks to shipping around the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow waterway between Iran and Oman through which about a fifth of global oil consumption passes. Commercial vessels have come under attack during the war that began with U.S.-Israeli strikes on Iran, despite an interim agreement that included safe-passage provisions.

Iran’s Revolutionary Guards warned ships via maritime radio over the weekend that “our missiles and drones are ready to fire at you,” the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, quoting from a recording it obtained.

One of the vessels under attack appeared to be Al Rekayyat, a liquefied natural gas tanker owned and managed by Nakilat, also known as Qatar Gas Transport Company, which operates one of the world’s largest LNG shipping fleets, the WSJ said, adding that the ship had been hit on the port side, at the top of the engine room.

“Engine room fire and full of smoke. Unable to assess further damage. All crew are safe and mustered on the starboard side,” the WSJ quoted from a recording.

The vessel was at the mouth of the strait, in the Gulf of Oman, when it was attacked, the WSJ reported.

Iran reportedly fires missiles at commercial ships in Strait of Hormuz - The Japan Times

Twiglets1 · 07/07/2026 06:50

Perhaps someone can explain - why are the IRGC doing this during the 60 day ceasefire but also during the Ayatollah's funeral?

The Iran/US talks are on hold during the funeral but the IRGC firing missiles at commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz isn't? Are they hoping the US will respond and then get accused of being disrespectful or what.

RedTagAlan · 07/07/2026 07:16

From that report of the ships being hit. we can get approx locations.

"The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations agency (UKMTO) said early on Tuesday that the tanker was struck on its port side while traveling southbound about 8 nautical miles (15 kilometers) east of Limah, causing a fire"

"The vessel was at the mouth of the strait, in the Gulf of Oman, when it was attacked, the WSJ reported."

There is also this bit :

"Iran’s Revolutionary Guards warned ships via maritime radio over the weekend that “our missiles and drones are ready to fire at you,”

The Japan Times is blocked for me, as are mapping apps such as Google earth. If I had access to mapping apps, it might be possible to work out if these ships were inside the Iranian/Omani approved shipping lanes, or were they trying to sneak past it (for want of a better term).

The previous hits, last week I think) were a bit vague in location, but it appeared they were trying to bypass the set sea lanes.

If that is the case here, then that would likely be the reason. But it is difficult to tell for sure from the info in the report, because nobody seems to be giving out full info.

One would expect the US to give out lat and long to show that the ships were in the proper lanes and sticking to the instructions to mariners. But the US are not doing that.

Not that I can access anyway.

Twiglets1 · 07/07/2026 07:22

So it's all the US fault you expect @RedTagAlan despite you can't access the report and that the IRGC did it during the Ayatollah's funeral. Never the fault of the IRGC in your mind is it.

Would have thought they could have taken a pause from hostile acts during the funeral, they expect other countries to be respectful.

RedTagAlan · 07/07/2026 07:37

I will quote myself here. I said :

"The previous hits, last week I think) were a bit vague in location, but it appeared they were trying to bypass the set sea lanes.
If that is the case here, then that would likely be the reason. But it is difficult to tell for sure from the info in the report, because nobody seems to be giving out full info."

Note the use of the word "if". And the word "appeared". And "difficult to tell". And "for sure". And "seems", as used in the phrase "nobody seems to be giving out full info".

Note how I did not declare "IT'S AMERICAS FAULT".

I follow news about the South China Sea. And when one reads of an incident, such as a PLAN Jet drops flares in front of an Australian helicopter, PRC state media is always vague about where it happened. But Australia usually gives precise lat and long locations. Because Australia want people to know where in order to show they had a right to be there. But the PRC are always vague.

I see similar happening in this war. But it is the US who are being vague.

I have no idea what the funeral has to do with it.

Twiglets1 · 07/07/2026 07:45

RedTagAlan · 07/07/2026 07:37

I will quote myself here. I said :

"The previous hits, last week I think) were a bit vague in location, but it appeared they were trying to bypass the set sea lanes.
If that is the case here, then that would likely be the reason. But it is difficult to tell for sure from the info in the report, because nobody seems to be giving out full info."

Note the use of the word "if". And the word "appeared". And "difficult to tell". And "for sure". And "seems", as used in the phrase "nobody seems to be giving out full info".

Note how I did not declare "IT'S AMERICAS FAULT".

I follow news about the South China Sea. And when one reads of an incident, such as a PLAN Jet drops flares in front of an Australian helicopter, PRC state media is always vague about where it happened. But Australia usually gives precise lat and long locations. Because Australia want people to know where in order to show they had a right to be there. But the PRC are always vague.

I see similar happening in this war. But it is the US who are being vague.

I have no idea what the funeral has to do with it.

You certainly implied it’s the US fault - maybe the IRGC could take their own responsibility for hitting commercial ships during what is supposed to be a 60 day pause while the MoU is discussed.

You don’t know what the funeral has to do with it? How do you suppose inflammatory or aggressive behaviour from the US would be perceived if it happened during the Ayatollah’s funeral? Even Trump is being restrained during this sensitive time - or has been so far anyway.

It’s disingenuous to suggest that the funeral isn’t a reason for both sides to pause hostilities. I guess the IRGC has indicated it’s business as usual now though.

JadeHare · 07/07/2026 07:49

You seem to have forgotten Twigs, that the US and Israel went and bombed the crap out of Israel not once, but twice whilst negotiations were taking place. So it’s not like the US and Israel can be trusted to do the right thing either.

I read this in the Independent, which you might find interesting:

“The reason why America is widely considered more of a threat than China or Russia in most of the world is not that it is evil, but because it is random. The military engages in sport killing for the amusement of the dear leader. It starts wars without plans. Nobody knows what an agreement with the US government means anymore. The authority of the negotiators is unclear, never mind whether they will keep their word. It’s easy to refrain from being anti-American. There is no America unified enough to hate. ”

Excerpt From
“How Donald Trump has ruined the World Cup as well as America”
Stephen Marche
The Independent
https://apple.news/ALyGe9fg5TNmMHjRNw-n0EA
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How Donald Trump has ruined the World Cup as well as America — The Independent

Whether it was the president’s intervention in a player’s red card, his unpredictable attitude towards war in Iran or the divisive actions of ICE, the United States is becoming a country where the actions of its government must be separated from the wi...

https://apple.news/ALyGe9fg5TNmMHjRNw-n0EA

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JadeHare · 07/07/2026 07:50

Iran, not Israel obs.

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Twiglets1 · 07/07/2026 08:13

I haven’t forgotten this @JadeHare and am getting tired of you constantly telling me what I must be thinking or what I’ve forgotten.

All while accusing me of making assumptions.

Never have I said that the US & Israel can always be relied on to do the right thing. Clearly they don’t always do the right thing but neither do the IRGC. At the moment we are talking about the IRGC doing an inflammatory thing during their own Ayatollah’s funeral while expecting the US to show restraint.

Are they actually stupid I wonder or hoping for retaliation.

JadeHare · 07/07/2026 08:20

I haven’t forgotten this ** and am getting tired of you constantly telling me what I must be thinking or what I’ve forgotten.
All while accusing me of making assumptions.

Yet all the while doing exactly the same to other posters. Also tiresome.

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Twiglets1 · 07/07/2026 08:42

JadeHare · 07/07/2026 08:20

I haven’t forgotten this ** and am getting tired of you constantly telling me what I must be thinking or what I’ve forgotten.
All while accusing me of making assumptions.

Yet all the while doing exactly the same to other posters. Also tiresome.

I don't think I constantly tell posters what they "seem to have forgotten".

Or hassling them with "Surely you are not suggesting..." with things they are not suggesting.

2 examples from last night from you to me:

Surely you're not suggesting that every protestor on marches is antisemitic - NO I DID NOT SUGGEST THAT.

Hope you're not suggesting all of Tommy Robinson's followers are Christians - NO I DID NOT SUGGEST THAT.

Stop badgering me and go find someone else to pick on online.

RedTagAlan · 07/07/2026 08:46

We went over this a week or two ago. About the conditions for the SOH being open. All that stuff about ships to go to a holding area when told, and waiting there till contacted with instructions. And that the two ships that were hit ( or one ship, the other being a debris strike reportedly) appeared to not be following instructions.

Odds are that this new report is the same scenario. At least till more info comes out.

Re the funeral. Has Iran closed the SoH during the funeral, or is it open? I assume open because if closed it would be in the news. I think that is a fair assumption.
e a lot
If the SOH does that mean the agency looking after it is also working ? I would assume so.

Sorry for all the assumptions. But we do not have a lot to go on here.

JadeHare · 07/07/2026 08:51

Hope you're not suggesting all of Tommy Robinson's followers are Christians

YOU SAID THAT. To me originally, so maybe you need to think about how you phrase things too before going around accusing other people of doing to you exactly what you are doing to others.

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JadeHare · 07/07/2026 08:54

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 14:18
Hope you aren't suggesting that all of Tommy's followers are Christians

Just incase you’ve forgotten……

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