US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

I know I originally said that on another thread.

What was unclear was why you repeated it back to me last night (along with the ridiculous Surely you're not suggesting that every protestor on marches is antisemitic) or why you thought it relevant on a thread about people in Gaza protesting about Hamas.

It made no sense then and it still doesn't.

I think you're too angry to engage with.

I think you're too angry to engage with.

But that’s an assumption you have made about me.

The problem is Twigs, you accuse other people of doing things which you do yourself. Which upsets people. Just own it, and move on.

From Reuters

‘ Al Rekayyat is owned and managed by Nakilat (QGTS.QA), opens new tab, also known as Qatar Gas Transport Company Ltd, which operates one of the world's largest LNG shipping fleets. LSEG shipping data showed the vessel last transmitted its location on June 18, indicating it was travelling with its transponders switched off’

Ships are legally required to broadcast their identity, location and destination at all times using Automatic Identification System transponders. But in high-risk zones, vessels are increasingly choosing to switch off this system entirely to avoid detection.

As their transponders were off they were trying to transit to avoid detection
Wonder who told them to do that ?

Is Trump being restrained ? Or does Trump want the whole thing to vanish into the ether and be forgotten about ?

I suspect the latter. He has moved onto "commies under the bed" now because the mid terms are coming up now. It is his reflecting pool, his SAVE AMERICA ACT, his defence budget etc that he is doing now. Now with the NATO meeting, goodness knows what his "new project" will be.

In my opinion, he wants this MOU to vanish. Because how can he explain it to his base that he is effectively giving Iran what they want, and all he gets is a new but weaker JCPOA at best.

And really, even at a weaker JCPOA, there is nothing in his mind just claiming he has a signed deal a million times better, without a shred of evidence. Because in case nobody has noticed it, that is what he does on pretty much everything.

Here is a clip I saved from a post made at the start of April. This is a summary of what Trump said through March. And are we further on ?

News Eye
@newseye.bsky.social
A Reddit user has meticulously kept a diary of Trump’s daily victory claims. It should form part of every historical archive on the planet. Brace yourself, here goes 🧵👇
Mar 3: "We won the war”
Mar 7: "We defeated Iran”
Mar 9: "We must attack Iran”
Mar 10: "The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully”
Mar 11: “You never like to say too early you won. We won. In the first hour it was over”
Mar 12: "We did win, but we haven't won completely yet”
Mar 13: "We won the war."
Mar 14: "Please help us."
Mar 15: "If you don't help us, I will certainly remember it."
Mar 16: "Actually, we don't need any help at all."
Mar 16: "I was just testing to see who's listening to me."
Mar 16: "If NATO doesn't help, they will suffer something very bad."
Mar 17: "We neither need nor want NATO's help”
Mar 17: "I don't need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO”
Mar 18: "Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz”
Mar 19: "US allies need to get a grip - step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz”
Mar 20: "NATO are cowards."
Mar 21: "The Strait of Hormuz must be protected by the countries that use it. We don't use it, we don't need to open it."
Mar 22: "This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours. Open the strait"
Mar 22: "Iran is Dead"
Mar 23: "We had very good and productive talks with Iran."
Mar 24: "We’re making progress."
Mar 25: “They gave us a present and the present arrived today. And it was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. I’m not going to tell you what that present is, but it was a very significant prize.”
Mar 26: "Make a deal, or we’ll just keep blowing them away."
Mar 27: "We don’t have to be there for NATO."
Mar 29: Claimed talks were progressing
Mar 30: "Open the Strait of Hormuz immediately, or face devastating consequences."
Mar 31: Claimed a deal was "very close" and that Iran would "do the right thing" Apr 1: "We’ll see what happens very soon."
Apr 2: Repeated that a deal was likely, while warning of continued strikes if not. Apr 3: "Something big is going to happen."
Apr 4: Said Iran must comply "immediately" or face further consequences.
Apr 5: "Open the fuckin' Strait, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah." ENDS

Lets see what his last TRUTH was about Iran ( that I can find)-

Monday, June 29, 2026 11:31 AM Truth Social

IRAN HAS REQUESTED A MEETING. IT WILL TAKE PLACE TOMORROW IN DOHA! President DJT

Before that was :

Friday, June 26, 2026 3:51 PM Truth Social
The Islamic Republic of Iran shot at least four One Way Attack Drones at Ships transversing the Strait of Hormuz. One of the Drones solidly hit the upper deck of a large and very expensive Cargo Carrying Ship. Damage was done, but the Ship was able to proceed on its way. We knocked down three other Drones. Obviously, this is a foolish violation of our Ceasefire Agreement. President DONALD J. TRUMP

He seems to have lost interest. In my opinion anyway.

Now it is NATO. And likely Meloni too. Check out this TRUTH from a few days ago.

att.

AIS off ? Who would tell them to do that ?

Well that would be the Captains. Maybe the ship owners ? But Trump did claim this :

"Do you know, we've been taking out millions of barrels of oil? Nobody knows it. You know who doesn't know about it? Iran, until right now. We took out the other night 22 ships late at night with no lights, because they don't have any radar, because we blasted the crap out of it,” Trump said.

And he said this several times, as did Hegseth. So ships with AIS off, and Trump boasting about sneaking oil out with "no lights".

Yup @DrPrunesqualer . Who told the ships to switch their AIS off ? Is your guess the same as mine ?

Source :

Trump claims more than 100 million barrels of oil, 200 ships have safely made way through Strait of Hormuz - ABC News

Yep
Exactly !

putting lives at risk again
but hey
They aren’t Americans

@RedTagAlan Trump is being restrained by his standards at the moment while the funeral is going ahead.

Reuters reported the warning that was sent to the United States and Israel on Thursday against any attack on Iran as it prepared for the state funeral of the Ayatollah.

"We warn the enemies of Iran, especially the U.S. and the Zionist regime (Israel), to avoid any miscalculation and to think about the harsh retaliation our armed forces would make to any threat and aggression against our country,” Ali Abdollahi, commander of Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters, said in a statement carried by state media.

I don't believe there have been any attacks on Iran since then? Unless you count the very Trumpian musings that the US could eliminate the remaining Iranian leadership in Iran at the funeral with "one shot ... but then we would have nobody to negotiate with".

Apart from Mojtaba Khamenei of course. He does not dare show his face even at his father's funeral. Assuming he is still alive of course.

Khamenei's other three sons - Masoud, Mostafa and Meysam - all attended the service on Sunday, alongside officials including President Masoud Pezeshkian and Revolutionary Guards chief Ahmad Vahidi.

Just sharing, there are similar articles in other msm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/07/millions-mourners-iran-regime-social-base

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwykq59jwpvo

US launches strikes on Iran after tankers hit in Strait of Hormuz

Restraint out the window then.

Is there anything on the status of the ships that were hit ? Were they following the issued rules or doing their own thing ?

Looking through the CNN feed I can't see anything much re the ships " following instructions as agreed". I found these bits on the feed-

"US Central Command announced Tuesday evening that strikes were underway, describing them as “powerful” and saying that they were intended “to impose heavy costs for targeting and attacking commercial shipping crewed by innocent civilians.”

" Iran fired on three commercial vessels on Tuesday in Oman’s territorial waters near the Strait of Hormuz, according to a US official who described the strikes as a “gross violation” of the memorandum of understanding with Iran."

The United States said it launched the attacks and reimposed sanctions on Tehran’s oil sales in retaliation for a attacks on commercial ships near the critical waterway.

There is reference to Omani territorial waters, and near the critical waterway. No mention of them transiting the SOH as per agreed regs.

I have a suspicion Trump has found he can't sell the MOU to his base and want's out. He has lost interest and is back to wanting Greenland again.

Not much. The BBC has this:

Iran's foreign ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei described Qatar's accusations as "contrary to the principle of good neighbourliness".
He added that commercial vessels using routes not co-ordinated with Iran or tampering with the ship's tracking face a risk of collision and disrupt Iran's efforts to "facilitate safe transit" in the strait.
As part of the agreement Iran and Oman, which both border Hormuz, must hold talks "to define the future administration and maritime services" in the waterway with other Gulf states.
Iran's Fars news agency has reported that under the new deal with the US the strait would ultimately be managed by Iran in co-ordination with Oman, including possible "service fees" for ships to transit the waterway.

So, MoU of misunderstanding in play again. It seems that both sides seem to not understanding how this should be working out.

Thanks. This is the bit I find of interest :

"He added that commercial vessels using routes not co-ordinated with Iran or tampering with the ship's tracking face a risk of collision and disrupt Iran's efforts to "facilitate safe transit" in the strait."

So Iran say the ships were not in the sea lane they were supposed to be in, and the US are not being very vague on where they were.

And as I said above, I follow news on the South China Sea. And here we have Iran saying they were not in lane. And the US are not saying they were. To me, on stuff like this, it is what is not said that matters as much as what is said. This is very much like SCS stuff, and how PRC state media report it in vague terms. Because if the ships were transiting in the correct place, the US would have made certain that was in their statement.

Of course, I do not see IRAN giving out coordinates either.

From the BBC:

• The US says it has launched "powerful" strikes on Iran in response to attacks on three oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz
• US Central Command (Centcom) said late on Tuesday that it had hit more than 80 targets, including over 60 Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) small boats
• Iranian state media said the strikes hit Qeshm island, Bandar Abbas and Sirik, leaving some people injured by shrapnel
• In the early hours of Wednesday, the IRGC said it had responded with retaliatory attacks on US military sites in Bahrain and Kuwait

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c17y1vnn2qxt

Trump’s latest strikes on Iran ‘absolutely necessary’, says Nato chief

Mark Rutte said that new overnight strikes by the US on Iran were “absolutely necessary”, as leaders gathered for day two the Nato summit.

The alliance’s secretary general said: “I think it was absolutely necessary because when you have a ceasefire and Iran is basically violating the ceasefire – we see what happened yesterday with ships being attacked – I think it is totally crucial that the US forcefully react.”

US Central Command (CENTCOM) said its forces had struck over 80 targets, including Iranian air defence systems, coastal radar sites and 60 IRGC small boats.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/07/08/us-iran-strikes-persian-gulf-nato-chief-summit-ankara/

Yvonne Cooper, the UK’s Foreign Secretary, said Tehran had violated the terms of the fragile ceasefire in a “troubling way”, telling BBC Breakfast: “We want to see this get back on track.”

Asked if she supported the US strikes, Ms Cooper responded: “Well we weren’t involved in any of those decisions. Those were decisions taken by the United States so they obviously have to take their decisions.

“But I do recognise their concerns about Iran trying to hijack the Strait and violating the terms of the ceasefire. I have given this message very strongly to Iran, they need to abide by the terms of the memorandum and they need to support the opening of the strait for commercial shipping.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/07/08/us-iran-strikes-persian-gulf-nato-chief-summit-ankara/

U.S. rescinds waiver permitting Iranian oil sales after Iran attacks tankers

CBS report that the Trump administration on Tuesday revoked a waiver that allowed Iranian oil sales, a key source of revenue for the regime, after the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps attacked three tankers in the Strait of Hormuz.

The Treasury Department said that "General License X," which was issued two weeks ago as part of an interim peace deal between the U.S. and Iran and exempted Iranian oil sales from U.S. sanctions, would be superseded by a narrower waiver called "General License X1."

The new license does not authorize any new Iranian oil sales after Tuesday.

"As President Trump and the administration have repeatedly affirmed, the MOU in effect with Iran is entirely performance-based," a U.S. official told CBS News in a statement after the oil sanctions waiver was rescinded. "Iran will only reap benefits if they exhibit good behavior. Iran's actions in the Strait were wholly unacceptable to the United States and will be met with consequences. Our negotiators continue to work in good faith towards a final deal."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-rescinds-waiver-permitting-iranian-oil-sales-after-iranian-attacks-on-tankers/

The IRGC indicated that they didn't care for peace - either because of the Ayatollah's funeral or because of the MoU - when they violated the ceasefire by attacking ships in the SoH.

Now the US has retaliated as they were always going to do - will the regime weep fake tears and cry victim? No new Iranian oil sales from today.

Ah well. Just sod all those starving people in the third world then. Might is right.

Not something I could crow about. Each to their own.

The IRGC hit those 3 tankers knowing full well the US would retaliate. They made an active choice with an outcome that wasn't likely to be positive.

Perhaps they don't care about Iran being able to sell oil or recover from their economic problems? Perhaps they don't care about any impact on the third world or the global economy?

It makes no sense to a rational mind but they are terrorists so I guess it's no surprise their actions make no sense.

Hopefully the ceasefire can get back on track shortly.

The fact of the matter is that the SoH were fully open to all before this stupid, ill thought out war was even started by the fact that Israel and the US decided to attack Iran first. Now we have a relentless tit for tat going on and a MoU which doesn’t seem to be worth the paper it’s written on as both sides seem unable to stick to it.

As I have said before, and posted a number of articles on this very thread, people who have absolutely no skin in this game across the world are suffering. You might see a rise in your petrol prices, other people, in the third world can’t afford to eat, buy oil to cook their food with if they can afford to, and the acceleration of malnutrition in third world countries is accelerating at an alarming rate. Farmers in these countries need the fertiliser to plant what little food they have.

If you fail to see the bigger humanitarian costs globally, due to the absolute stupidity of this war, then I can’t help you.

Iran fires at American military sites in Bahrain and Kuwait

Oil prices rise again

No one is debating the bigger humanitarian costs globally. That's why the IRGC should have respected the terms of the MoU and restrained themselves from attacking ships for the 60 days of negotiations for a permanent ceasefire.

That's why their actions were condemned by anyone who wants peace including Nato, including Yvonne Cooper.

Ahh yes. The worlds biggest man baby is in Turkey at a NATO meeting, and people are wondering why all the sycophantic black slapping of said man baby. " Well done Donald. You showed them. You are the best Donald".

Is there a tunnel vision thing going on here ? A room full of massive elephants, but look at that little mouse in the corner. Lets ignore all these elephants and concentrate on the mouse.

I am surprised Rutte did not call him "Daddy". Is that not his usual name for the Orange one.