US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

Does it matter what status the IRCG has when it comes to the peace talks?

The US has already acknowledged this war was not about changing regime.

It seems the idea is symbolic withdrawals but retaining military control
Perhaps they will let civilians camp on some of the land but will shoot anyone that comes within shooting distance of the IDF
Sounds like Gaza then

Doesn’t sound like the MOU
so agree
That’s blown

But by your logic Twiglets, no one needs to say whether they see the IRGC as a terrorist group until the UK government have.

Why is Katz lying with his 200,000

News outlets across the world site the displaced in the south as over 1 million

No one needs to say and no one is willing to say apparently apart from me, yet it's an easy Yes/No question.

I'm very clear on all my positions. Unlike the UK government, I don't think there can be a two state solution in Gaza while Hamas are still there so no, I don't consider Palestine a state yet though hope it will be one day.

My "logic" as you call it is that I'm clear on the question of genocide being for an international court to decide - not the UN - and will accept the court decision as they will see all the evidence including some we have no access to.

And on Iran, I'm clear that the IRGC are a terrorist organisation and expect them to be proscribed as such in the UK very soon along with all the other countries who have taken that stance.

Anyway, enough of this board for now so I'll leave you to it.

This is so disgusting. 200,000 people kicked out of their homes. Imagine in Lebanon decided that they didn't feel safe with the terrorist IDF on their border and decided to set up a security zone in Israel that involved kicking 200,000 people out of their homes. I'm sure Lebanon would also feel much safer this way.

The weapons from the US which are enabling this have to stop.

When Lebanon do it it's terrorism
When Israel do it it's protection.

Exactly! The behaviours between the two countries is remarkable similar except that Israel has the means to do the things they want to due to US money, weapons, international support, a refusal to implement the ICCC arrest warrant, media who support Israel and international governments that largely prevent any discussion of what Israel is doing.

Israel has the same goals as Iran when it comes to their neighbours, they just have the means to do it.

https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mp2orwwrjs2z

The Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani says regional states are negotiating a new security arrangement with Iran, shifting away from US-only protection, the FT reports.

Trump really has remade the Middle East, by pushing America to the fringes.

Gosh! Knock me over with a feather! What a suprise!

It all sounds terribly 1984 to me! Perhaps some of us will need our brains reset for not lapping up Western (or other) propganda.

I feel like I’ve been drip fed western propaganda without knowing it and am coming out the other side realising
So much of it is lies !

Who’d have thought in just a short space of time more people now see Iran as far more reasonable than Israel

"Lebanon" as in the state aren't doing anything though. The Lebanese army is not fighting anyone.

From Reuters:

“According to Gulf sources, the logic that underpinned the Abraham Accords has been eroded by the Gaza war, the unresolved question of West Bank annexation, and a growing perception that Netanyahu’s Israel may be more of a liability than an asset in any emerging regional order.
An Iranian official said Netanyahu’s push to expand the Abraham Accords has been blunted, with several countries now seeking a place in an emerging Iran-aligned framework.
"This is not just a victory for Iran. It's a failure for Netanyahu," the official said. The Islamic Republic has not just survived — it has emerged as a more influential regional player.”

Excerpt From
“US-Iran deal may leave Netanyahu as biggest casualty”
Samia Nakhoul
Reuters
https://apple.news/ABVLTIzH8TFexyadt_BppTw
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She means Hezbollah but it would look wrong to say “when Hezbollah do it it’s terrorism”….

Almost like doubting Hezbollah are terrorists.

But hey, maybe Hezbollah aren’t terrorists or Hamas or the IRGC. Maybe it’s just the Israel government/IDF who are the terrorists? (sarcasm).

My brains been reset! It was all Western propaganda!!

I know ....

Pity Israel wouldn't realize that it's not Lebanon when they are murdering and displacing its citizens.

They are the ones who seem to have the real problem identifying terrorists. (Unless shock horror it's not about the terrorists at all)

Indeed.

We all know Hezbollah are terrorists (don't we?). Sometimes excused but even their own government realise they aren't helping the situation. However, the Lebanese army aren't able to control Hezbollah so they do what they do.......🙄

I don't think you can assume we all do know that, though at least Marty does.

Funny to mix up "Lebanon" with Hezbollah though. I think it's important to distinguish terrorists from the civilian population.

https://bsky.app/profile/steverattner.bsky.social/post/3mp4rctysxk2a

Trump and his allies lambasted Obama’s Iran nuclear deal for a decade.

Yet their proposed deal is objectively weaker than the JCPOA: fewer conditions, more money for Iran, and less nuclear oversight.

My @morningjoe-msnow.bsky.social Chart

Excellent comparison.

That is so biased.

Of course the US framework is interim - the deal hasn't been finalised yet. Maybe it would be fairer to compare the 2 deals when the US one is finalised so we all have transparency on exactly what the deal is?

The "extra money" cited on the US deal is not something the US will pay but rather external investment mainly from other countries in the Middle East apparently.

Enforcement - "pay for performance" will include things like IAEA inspections and surely it's better to pay once performance markers are met.

Hezbollah, Hamas and IRGC are all terrorist organisations, yes. Yet for the last few months it's been the IDF invading several countries, running an ongoing apartheid through any means neccessary and endorsed by the highest ranks of government, expanding into neighbouring countries because that's God's will, razing homes and infrastructure to the ground, displacing millions of people, brutally killing civilians and actively targeting children. That sounds exactly like terrorist behaviour. It sounds like terrorist behaviour because Israel has been taken over by a right wing extremist who runs a government with a substantial number of terrorists.

Yes, the deal is Interim so that's not a problem with the deal.

The guild states aren't going to give / invest $300 billion out of the goodness of their hears. The USA has said that not a cent is going to to go to Iran and I'm sure that's true. They'll give money, concessions, weapons, trade deals etc... in return for the Gulf states providing the money. There will be cost from this to the USA.

Biased or not, it is based on the information provided.

The IDF have been invading Lebanon to fight Hezbollah, Gaza to fight Hamas.

Israel did not attack Gaza or Lebanon out of the blue. They were attacked first by Hamas and then by Hezbollah.

Israel are committed 100% to protecting their civilians. So much so that their response to those civilians being attacked is often disproportionate. We know this yet Hamas and Hezbollah attacked anyway, putting their hate for Israel above the safety of their civilians.

Terrorists don't care about protecting their civilians - see for example, Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRGC.