US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

I can't be bothered to read over old posts when I don't think the question is even asked in good faith.

But if you want I will tag you in future every time someone presents what the Iranian side say as if it's factual.

That's what I said, but Trump's use of SM is completely different, surely you can see that?

He is not helping the peace process with this TS posts.

I said ... we all know what Trump is like by now with his exaggerations, hyperbole and even lies. If reminders of this are going to be reiterated repeatedly - despite it’s nothing new - then it’s fair to point out that Trump is not the only one who lies or contradicts himself. Especially as some on here present what Iran say as though it’s entirely factual - only for them to contradict themselves later.

You said Trump was the only one doing it via social media.

But no, both sides use social media to put their own spin on events including exaggerations, hyperbole and even lies.

No he is not helping the peace process with his TS posts.

Neither are Iran helping the peace process when you get 2 different narratives coming out depending on whether the speaker is a hardliner in the IRGC or not.

Israel’s defence minister says military will not withdraw from Lebanon, even if US demands it
Israel’s Defence Minister Israel Katz has said Israel will not pull its forces out of southern Lebanon “even if there is an American demand”.
“200,000 residents will not return,” said Katz, referring to the Lebanese forcibly displaced by Israel’s invasion and attacks, in comments carried by The Times of Israel.

Do you really mean to be this petty? You know what I meant.

I could hardly guess that when you said "Trump was the only one doing it via social media" what you meant was that both sides use social media.

There isn't much to return to

https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/lebanese-villagers-return-to-find-homes-in-ruins/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjY6bmV3c21sX01UMVpVTUEwMDBVUTlYVTQ

Yeah. How not to show bias - dismiss some governments as "terrorist", not to be trusted one iota. Even though that side do appear to be working within the framework of the agreed and signed MOU, when the other side, being led by a man incapable of telling the truth about anything, a man with 34 convictions for fraud, an adjudicated rapist, has their leader "TRUTHING" the near opposite of what the MOU says.

How not to be a good faith poster. Claim not to know how state aircraft play a part in diplomacy. then ridicule the poster who explains it.

Here is an example of Trump TRUTHING. Both of these are dated June 24th.

"Many Communists running in badly failing Blue States. The votes seem to have them doing quite well against each other. The bad news is that history has conclusively shown that the downtrodden States that they will soon be running will ONLY GET WORSE. MAGA! President DJT"

Ahh, it appears POTUS does not know what a Communist is. Last I saw, there were no communists running for office in the USA. Wonder if he can name one of these communists.

Next TRUTH is this. Within half an hour of the previous one :

The big Oil Companies are not dropping their price at the pump commensurate with the sharply lower prices they are paying for Oil. Those prices are dropping like a rock! In other words, customers are being "gouged." I have instructed the DOJ to immediately start looking into this. Gasoline prices better start going down a lot faster than what I'm seeing! President DJT

Right, so after he says that Communists are running, when there are no communists running, here is Trump, the champion of the free market economy, yet again treating the US economy as a Command Economy. Yes, he is trying to force communist policy onto the US free market.

So Trump, the POTUS fraudster, does not appear to know the basics of political ideology.

Sorry to go off subject. When it comes to trying to judge whoever is more or less truthful in the Iran war, all evidence should be taken into account.

In my view anyway.

Great analysis RedTag 👏👏

Sorry if you feel it's bias to refer to the IRGC as a terrorist government but the IRGC are a proscribed terrorist organisation in Europe and soon the UK @RedTagAlan as well as in many other countries such as Australia.

You can keep ranting on about Trump all you want but it doesn't change the facts about the IRGC.

Don't you acknowledge that the IRGC are a terrorist organisation?

If you think it's "bias" to say so, maybe you also think it's bias to criticise Hamas?

Did you mean to tag me Twiglets

Your comment is unrelated to Redtags analysis of Trumps take on Communism.
I did say
‘ great analysis ‘

Yes I did mean to tag you since you cheered on the analysis by Red.

They seem offended that I'm displaying "bias" by referring to the IRGC as a terrorist government so I'm asking you if you agree with me that they are a terrorist government? Or with Red that to refer to them that way is biased.

Wait until they the US government starts bailing out the AI companies as they did previously with the banks. The wealthy elites are all in favour of (crony corporate) capitalism until it threatens their own wealth, at which point they become raving socialists. The elites excel at manipulating public opinion. Luckily for them, critical thinking is a fairly unusual skill.

For sure, some nations have proscribed some parts of the IRGC as terrorists. And that is fine. My understanding is the difficulty can be in defining and separating what parts are terrorist, and what are not. The UK has this issue apparently.

The IRGC is not the Iranian government of course.

And here is the thing about that. Are terror groups automatically not to be trusted in anything they say ? Or I should say, are people in the Iranian government not to be trusted because they have a terror group as part of that government?

Trump on the other hand. Found guilty by a Jury of his peers to have committed fraud. Also found to be an adjudicated rapist by a different Jury, and yet another Jury found him to be lying about his victim.

Of course, no court in Iran is going to find the IRGC guilty of fraud, so there is that.

So who to trust ? Well, we can really only go by evidence known.

Yes @RedTagAlan terror groups are automatically not to be trusted in anything they say. The IRGC hardliners have been heavily involved in negotiations and no, they are not to be trusted.

Only on this board would this be something up for debate

Red tags views are not analysis though
They are opinion
I cheered on the very well put together analysis
That’s why I said analysis

I asked you a simple question Don't you acknowledge that the IRGC are a terrorist organisation?

If I remember correctly Twigs, you said you didn’t recognise the State of Palestine, when the UK government did, and yet here you are demanding to know whether Dr Pru recognises the IRGC are a terrorist organisation when the UK government has yet to do that.

Maybe Dr Pru is waiting for the all clear from the UK government before they decide.

A bit like the fact that you have refused to believe that Israel has committed ethnic cleansing and a genocide in Gaza, because the UK government haven’t said so yet. But 2 separate UN reports, the most recent being released only on Tuesday say they have.

Why can't she answer for herself?

I acknowledge your question
Your post however is diverting from the fact you misunderstood my original post.

not willing to be drilled on my beliefs is purely down to the diversion and does not constitute a responce in the positive or negative

Appreciate the quick responce Jade
remarkably I’m trying to work aswell Twiglets ( and was just up some scaffolding, I’m down now 😅)
I’m sure many on these threads are also juggling other stuff
I’m very happy for Jade to grab a few minutes on my behalf to respond

Those who do see the IRGC as a terrorist organisation find it a very simple question to answer and no need to talk like a lawyer.

Yup. I don't get why a poster keep deflecting from the subject to make the thread about who is posting, and not the subject at hand.

Trump does the same of course, so there is that.

On subject, 6 mins ago CNN reported :

"Israel will not withdraw from Lebanon, the country’s defense minister said on Wednesday, even the US demands it.
“We have made it clear that under no circumstances will we withdraw, and as of this moment – and this is a diplomatic achievement – there is no American demand for Israel to withdraw from Lebanon,” said Israel Katz, speaking at the MUNI EXPO conference in Tel Aviv.
Katz said he had made Israel’s position clear to his US counterpart, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had said as much to US President Donald Trump.
Katz’s comments come on the second day of talks between Israel and Lebanon under the auspices of the Trump administration.
Katz had already said that Israel would not pull its forces back in southern Lebanon, but his latest comments make his position explicit even if it’s a US demand. CNN previously reported that Israel is considering “symbolic” withdrawals from occupied territory in southern Lebanon as part of the talks as a “gesture” to the Lebanese government."

If true, that is article 1 of the MOU blown.

I would say that news is true, that Katz said that.