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Conflict in the Middle East

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

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JadeHare · 27/05/2026 17:21

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation

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JadeHare · 20/06/2026 21:13

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:02

Actually all along I said that both sides would gain some of their demands but not all of them and that is what is happening.

The deal is performance based (Iran’s performance) and that is made clear in the wording of the Memorandum of Understanding.

Where? What have America and Israel gained? Israel have been left out in the cold and America is having to suck up a worse deal than they had before.

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Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:30

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:05

Iran just has to recommit to not developing nuclear weapons.

That’s pretty big … they were adamant they had the right to have the capacity to develop nuclear weapons and to keep their enriched uranium.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:31

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:30

That’s pretty big … they were adamant they had the right to have the capacity to develop nuclear weapons and to keep their enriched uranium.

Pretty big, but they had done it once before.

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:31

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 21:13

Where? What have America and Israel gained? Israel have been left out in the cold and America is having to suck up a worse deal than they had before.

You can see the Memorandum of Understanding as well as I can and the reference to “performance based”.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:35

So stick to the MoU and they get the $3b reconstruction fund.

They have shown before that they can do that.

They are in a much stronger position this time round. Thanks to Trump.

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:37

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:31

Pretty big, but they had done it once before.

Nevertheless it’s not a small matter that they “just” have to commit to not developing nuclear weapons. And it doesn’t seem to be for a set number of years either.

A terrorist cult stopped from developing a nuclear weapon seems a good thing.

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:41

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:35

So stick to the MoU and they get the $3b reconstruction fund.

They have shown before that they can do that.

They are in a much stronger position this time round. Thanks to Trump.

It will be a good outcome all round if Iran stick to the MoU and get the 3billion in private investments.

The people of Iran will be better off from a better economy but so will other countries if the IRGC are sticking to the terms of the MoU & deal hashed out between them and the US.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:42

It is a good thing but it is a recommitment, all because of Trump tearing up the JCPOA

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:44

The people of Iran are not better off with a now more powerful and authoritarian regime

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:46

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:42

It is a good thing but it is a recommitment, all because of Trump tearing up the JCPOA

Yes it would be a good thing for the deal to go ahead. Even for Israel, though they are not happy with the MoU but if it stops Iran developing nuclear weapons, Israel could benefit from that!

I agree Trump shouldn’t have torn up the JPCOA but we are where we are with that.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:49

We are where we are with Iran in a stronger position and that is not good for anyone.

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 21:51

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:31

You can see the Memorandum of Understanding as well as I can and the reference to “performance based”.

I can. And I’m not stupid or naive.

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Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:51

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:44

The people of Iran are not better off with a now more powerful and authoritarian regime

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They will be better off financially if funds are unfrozen and private investment allowed etc because the new regime has agreed to the terms of a deal.

There is no evidence the new regime is more powerful and authoritarian than the old one which was authoritarian enough to kill thousands of Iranian people for protesting.

Plus they have been weakened militarily compared to the pre war situation when they still had a navy for example.

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 21:54

The navy sunk to the bottom of the sea? The missile bases which have been obliterated? Which must be true because Donald said so? As he said so last year? Some people will swallow any old guff.

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TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:55

From what I have been reading, the consensus appears to be that the new regime is younger and more conservative.

I hope for the people of Iran that this is not the case/

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:58

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 21:54

The navy sunk to the bottom of the sea? The missile bases which have been obliterated? Which must be true because Donald said so? As he said so last year? Some people will swallow any old guff.

Do you think Iran have a navy? I don’t think those little speed boats qualify as a navy though they have been a nuisance to the US.

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:59

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:55

From what I have been reading, the consensus appears to be that the new regime is younger and more conservative.

I hope for the people of Iran that this is not the case/

I don’t see the age is relevant. And they weren’t so conservative they couldn’t do a deal with the US so hopefully they will prove to be more pragmatic than the last lot.

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 22:07

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:58

Do you think Iran have a navy? I don’t think those little speed boats qualify as a navy though they have been a nuisance to the US.

I think that some people are prepared to believe every lie Donald Trump feeds to them. To their detriment.

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DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 22:24

Shame the deal didn’t stop Israel having Nuclear weapons and forcing inspections on them
Hopefully that will happen in the near future

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 23:20

Switzerland talks back on

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JD Vance is in the air on the way to Switzerland ahead of peace talks with the Iran on Sunday.

The Iranian delegation, including chief negotiator Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf and foreign minister Abbas Araqchi, is already there.

Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and army chief Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir are also expected to attend.

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 23:29

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 23:20

Switzerland talks back on

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JD Vance is in the air on the way to Switzerland ahead of peace talks with the Iran on Sunday.

The Iranian delegation, including chief negotiator Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf and foreign minister Abbas Araqchi, is already there.

Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and army chief Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir are also expected to attend.

I really think there needs to be an Israeli delegate or they'll just continue ignoring these deals

If they are there they can’t use the excuse they weren’t involved

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 23:41

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 22:07

I think that some people are prepared to believe every lie Donald Trump feeds to them. To their detriment.

Do you believe BBC Verify? From 4th March 2026:

Satellite images show Iranian navy and nuclear sites hit by US-Israeli strikes

A wave of US and Israeli strikes has destroyed or damaged at least 11 Iranian naval vessels since Saturday, new satellite images reviewed by BBC Verify show, with missile bases and nuclear sites also hit by attacks.

Images of the southern Konarak naval base and the Bandar Abbas facility, which sits on the Strait of Hormuz and houses the headquarters of the Iranian navy, show smoke billowing from multiple ships on Monday and Tuesday.

US President Donald Trump said on Monday that the US was "annihilating" the Iranian navy, listing the force's destruction as one of America's three main goals.

His Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth confirmed that a US submarine had fired on an Iranian warship in the Indian Ocean on Wednesday.

Among the vessels destroyed was the IRINS Makran, Iran's largest naval vessel, which had served as a drone carrier. Satellite images showed black smoke pouring from the ship which had been docked at Bandar Abbas base.

Maritime security firm Vanguard said that the IRIS Bayandor, IRIS Naghdi, and the IRIS Jamaran were also among the ships destroyed in the strikes. The firm also claimed that the IRIS Shahid Bagheri, a state-of-the-art drone carrier ship launched by Iran last year, had been sunk - although BBC Verify cannot independently confirm this.

Analysts at the intelligence firm MAIAR said at least five ships at Bandar Abbas were "hit or sunk". Satellite images of the southern end of the port show smoke rising from Makran, while two other vessels appear to be damaged, one visibly ablaze.

At Konarak, images show multiple damaged vessels, with MAIAR telling BBC Verify that they had identified damage to six vessels.

The head of US Central Command (Centcom), which oversees American military operations in the Middle East, claimed that 17 Iranian vessels, including its "most operational" submarine, have been destroyed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxzzkkkwjqo

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 23:42

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 23:29

I really think there needs to be an Israeli delegate or they'll just continue ignoring these deals

If they are there they can’t use the excuse they weren’t involved

It's not really an "excuse" to say they weren't involved if they factually weren't involved.

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 23:52

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 23:42

It's not really an "excuse" to say they weren't involved if they factually weren't involved.

Of course it can be used as an excuse to carry on bombing and ignoring the deal

We were told by Trump ( yes I know he lies) that the US could speak for Israel
Now Israel say they don’t have to abide by deals they weren’t involved in

So get them involved

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 23:58

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 23:52

Of course it can be used as an excuse to carry on bombing and ignoring the deal

We were told by Trump ( yes I know he lies) that the US could speak for Israel
Now Israel say they don’t have to abide by deals they weren’t involved in

So get them involved

Of course Israel should have been involved but they weren't and as it turns out, (surprise), the US could not speak for them.