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Conflict in the Middle East

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

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JadeHare · 27/05/2026 17:21

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation

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TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 09:54

This both sides argument really doesn't work when you look at those comments and Gaza

rainingsnoring · 20/06/2026 10:02

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 09:54

This both sides argument really doesn't work when you look at those comments and Gaza

No, it really doesn't. One country may have expressed what Twiglets on MN has decided to call genocidal intent, although she previously said that this can only be determined by a court when the word was applied to Israel. The other country is actually committing genocide. Apart from that, Israel is invading a sovereign country. Major differences between the two sides.

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 10:19

.A Hezbollah official told Al Jazeera that the ceasefire would hold if Israel abided by it.

Israel’s ambassador to the US, Yechiel Leiter, also said on X: “Israel remains firmly committed to an immediate ceasefire. If Hezbollah honours the agreement and ceases its hostilities, they will be met with quiet.”

But Israel’s attacks continued almost immediately, leaving residents in southern Lebanon questioning whether the ceasefire had any meaning.

“It doesn’t feel much like a ceasefire,” said Al Jazeera’s Heidi Pett, reporting from Tyre in Lebanon after the Israeli attacks.
“Instead, there is a sense of deja vu. Each time a ceasefire is announced, we see a renewed burst of military activity on the ground”
“That has left many people here questioning what a ceasefire actually means,” added Pett.’

A ceasefire in Gaza and 1000 people have been killed by the IDF since it began
Israel don’t want ceasefires unless they have achieved their aim

They killed 47 people yesterday and injured 97 in Lebanon alone !!!
They have displaced over a million people in Lebanon

‘Cross-Border Fleeing: An estimated 200,000 people have crossed the border into neighbouring Syria to escape the conflict.
Evacuation Orders: Up to 14% of Lebanese territory has been under evacuation threats, causing a cycle of repeated displacement for many families’ wiki and UN

As posted upthread
This from Ben Gvir

‘For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn

With all due respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and the security of our citizens are not forfeit. All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF, and this commitment takes
precedence over every other consideration. I told the Prime Minister, even in our private meetings: For every tear of an Israeli mother, a
thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. Enough with the ping-pong. In the Middle East, you don't win with measured responses and
restraint-

you need to go berserk. To obliterate.
To crush the terror.’

19/06/2026

One of Netanyahus right hand men and
Not the words of a peaceful man

BBC
‘ Itamar Ben‑Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich: the Netanyahu government extremists sanctioned by the UK
June 16, 2025 5.27pm

The UK’s decision to impose sanctions on two far-right Netanyahu government ministers has put it at loggerheads with the Trump administration over Israel. Announcing on June 10 that Britain would join Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Norway in sanctioning Israel’s minister for national security, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and minister of finance, Bezalel Smotrich, the UK foreign secretary David Lammy said the pair had “incited extremist violence and serious abuses of Palestinian human rights”.

UK and partners unite to sanction ministers inciting West Bank violence

UK sanctions Israeli government ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich in response to their repeated incitements of violence against Palestinian communities, alongside Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Norway.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-partners-unite-to-sanction-ministers-inciting-west-bank-violence?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications-topic&utm_source=4875927c-c1df-43e1-bc19-1373b950b1e5&utm_content=immediately

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 10:21

rainingsnoring · 20/06/2026 10:02

No, it really doesn't. One country may have expressed what Twiglets on MN has decided to call genocidal intent, although she previously said that this can only be determined by a court when the word was applied to Israel. The other country is actually committing genocide. Apart from that, Israel is invading a sovereign country. Major differences between the two sides.

I said "genocidal intent you could say" precisely because I know that while it appears to be Iran's genocidal intent to destroy Israel, that is opinion not (as far as I'm aware) something that has been determined by a court of law.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 10:56

Israel continues to strike Lebanon, more people killed today.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 11:42

Even the New York Post is not buying it

https://nypost.com/2026/06/19/opinion/with-strait-of-hormuz-held-hostage-trumps-iran-deal-is-worse-than-obamas/

Silence1 · 20/06/2026 11:42

The Israeli soldiers who died were from the Unit linked to the death of Hind Rajab. And in response Ben Gvir calls for the destruction of all Lebanon.
Journalists are starting to write that it is Iran being seen as the "good guy" through their efforts to stop Israel in Lebanon.
Lebanese citizens being interviewed and saying Hezbollah are the only ones protecting them from Israel.
Meanwhile Syrian citizens say they hate Israel taking their land and houses but nobody will take Israel on and make them leave. There are now Israeli settlers in Syria.
And also the destruction and violence continues in Gaza.
Trump is not lying when he says no one likes Israel, no doubt he's reading the polls in the US.
It's going to be interesting to see he does to make this deal work.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 11:44

Trump is already setting up Vance as his fall guy

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 12:18

Silence1 · 20/06/2026 11:42

The Israeli soldiers who died were from the Unit linked to the death of Hind Rajab. And in response Ben Gvir calls for the destruction of all Lebanon.
Journalists are starting to write that it is Iran being seen as the "good guy" through their efforts to stop Israel in Lebanon.
Lebanese citizens being interviewed and saying Hezbollah are the only ones protecting them from Israel.
Meanwhile Syrian citizens say they hate Israel taking their land and houses but nobody will take Israel on and make them leave. There are now Israeli settlers in Syria.
And also the destruction and violence continues in Gaza.
Trump is not lying when he says no one likes Israel, no doubt he's reading the polls in the US.
It's going to be interesting to see he does to make this deal work.

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Thanks

Im sure none of us forget listening to the little girl on the phone pleading for help whilst surrounded by her dead family and hiding under the car.
Here is part of the wiki piece

‘Rajab and her family were fleeing Gaza City when their vehicle was shelled by the IDF, killing her uncle, aunt and three cousins, with Rajab and another cousin surviving and contacting the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) to ask for help while noting that they were being attacked by an Israeli tank. The cousin was later also killed and Rajab was left stranded in the vehicle for hours on the phone, as paramedics from PRCS attempted to rescue her. Both Rajab and the paramedics were later also found dead on 10 February after an Israeli withdrawal’

The IDF unit that did this are murderers

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 14:44

The Strait has been closed again

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 15:03

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 14:44

The Strait has been closed again

I was looking that up earlier

Is it definitely closed because of Israel in Lebanon or is it to remove mines ?

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 15:08

Iran says it is because the US and Israel violated the ceasefire.

Latest update is Vance saying there is no evidence the Strait is closed.

RedTagAlan · 20/06/2026 15:23

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 15:08

Iran says it is because the US and Israel violated the ceasefire.

Latest update is Vance saying there is no evidence the Strait is closed.

From CNN, Vance was on Fox at the time. This snip shows the level of BS I think. Because if you have a stack of loaded tankers waiting for months, and then say go, the amount of oil going through is not equivalent to pre war levels. It's a spurt, not steady state. The oil is not going from well to pipe to storage to tanker. It's already sitting there all loaded, waiting.

"Vice President JD Vance, speaking to Fox News in an interview this morning as Iran announced it is closing the Strait of Hormuz, claimed the flow of barrels of oil from the strait reached pre-war levels.
“We got 16 million barrels out of the Strait of Hormuz in just the last 24 hours,” Vance said. “That is basically to where it was before the war even started, and and so that suggests that the straits really are open.”
A total of 25 commercial ships crossed through the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday - the most since April, according to marine intelligence firm AXSMarine."

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 18:09

Silence1 · 20/06/2026 11:42

The Israeli soldiers who died were from the Unit linked to the death of Hind Rajab. And in response Ben Gvir calls for the destruction of all Lebanon.
Journalists are starting to write that it is Iran being seen as the "good guy" through their efforts to stop Israel in Lebanon.
Lebanese citizens being interviewed and saying Hezbollah are the only ones protecting them from Israel.
Meanwhile Syrian citizens say they hate Israel taking their land and houses but nobody will take Israel on and make them leave. There are now Israeli settlers in Syria.
And also the destruction and violence continues in Gaza.
Trump is not lying when he says no one likes Israel, no doubt he's reading the polls in the US.
It's going to be interesting to see he does to make this deal work.

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Which journalists sees the IRGC as the “good guys”? None that are not completely biased.

People must have short memories if they think good guys kill thousands of their own people.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 19:36

Example from journalist John Simpson

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2
Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 19:42

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 19:36

Example from journalist John Simpson

Edited

How is this Iran being seen as the "good guys" when they are being described as becoming "nastier"?

ilovepuppies2019 · 20/06/2026 19:42

Twiglets1 · 19/06/2026 12:40

Surprising thing for Iran to do if the deal was such a huge win for them as has been suggested on this board.

Iran could just stop funding Hezbollah. Then there would be no one for Israel to fight in Lebanon.

Analysts, commentators and Trump’s own people across the right and the left seem united in the view that this was a shocking deal for the US. It was never going to be good given terribly Trump did with the war but the deal is much worse than most people imagined. The idea of Iran getting $300 billion was widely viewed as Iranian propaganda, it’s almost unbelievable that that’s the outcome. Iran will be vey happy with this. They’re billions of dollars up, they’ve said that they’ll toll the Strait in 60 days (I think that could be trades away), they’ve have power their their control of the Strait, their regime is stronger than ever, they know thr weaknesses in American’s defence systems and the world’s view on Israel has shifted.

i think they believe that they’re in such a position of power in this MOU that they can hold out negotiating in order to ultimately get more. I suspect that Trump will attempt to reign in Netanyahu in response to Irans demands and they will be even more powerful. Iran seem very confident of a good deal and no future bombing so it seems likely that they’re dictating the terms of the negotiation.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 19:43

I am sure you know that the quotation marks indicate they are not really the good guys Hmm

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 19:44

ilovepuppies2019 · 20/06/2026 19:42

Analysts, commentators and Trump’s own people across the right and the left seem united in the view that this was a shocking deal for the US. It was never going to be good given terribly Trump did with the war but the deal is much worse than most people imagined. The idea of Iran getting $300 billion was widely viewed as Iranian propaganda, it’s almost unbelievable that that’s the outcome. Iran will be vey happy with this. They’re billions of dollars up, they’ve said that they’ll toll the Strait in 60 days (I think that could be trades away), they’ve have power their their control of the Strait, their regime is stronger than ever, they know thr weaknesses in American’s defence systems and the world’s view on Israel has shifted.

i think they believe that they’re in such a position of power in this MOU that they can hold out negotiating in order to ultimately get more. I suspect that Trump will attempt to reign in Netanyahu in response to Irans demands and they will be even more powerful. Iran seem very confident of a good deal and no future bombing so it seems likely that they’re dictating the terms of the negotiation.

You are completely ignoring the fact that Iran will only get the money while/if they comply with demands.

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 20:29

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 19:44

You are completely ignoring the fact that Iran will only get the money while/if they comply with demands.

You are completely ignoring the fact that you thought the USA would come out tops. They haven’t. Who says Iran will only get the money if they comply. The US of A? Think about it.

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TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 20:44

Trump says US might impose tolls in the strait:

“There will be NO TOLLS in the Hormuz Strait for 60 days during the Cease Fire Period, & there will be NO TOLLS after 60 day period, unless they are imposed by and for the US, should the deal not be completed, for services rendered as Guardian Angel”

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3moqlbimsd22l

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)

Trump says US might impose tolls in the strait: “There will be NO TOLLS in the Hormuz Strait for 60 days during the Cease Fire Period, & there will be NO TOLLS after 60 day period, unless they are imposed by and for the US, should the deal not be compl...

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3moqlbimsd22l

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 20:54

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 20:44

Trump says US might impose tolls in the strait:

“There will be NO TOLLS in the Hormuz Strait for 60 days during the Cease Fire Period, & there will be NO TOLLS after 60 day period, unless they are imposed by and for the US, should the deal not be completed, for services rendered as Guardian Angel”

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3moqlbimsd22l

Irans tolls aren’t technically tolls
they have framed them as expenses to pay for security etc etc

They aren’t allowed to just charge for no reason
and neither can Trump

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 20:57

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 20:44

Trump says US might impose tolls in the strait:

“There will be NO TOLLS in the Hormuz Strait for 60 days during the Cease Fire Period, & there will be NO TOLLS after 60 day period, unless they are imposed by and for the US, should the deal not be completed, for services rendered as Guardian Angel”

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3moqlbimsd22l

MAGA. MAGA. MAGA.

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Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 21:02

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 20:29

You are completely ignoring the fact that you thought the USA would come out tops. They haven’t. Who says Iran will only get the money if they comply. The US of A? Think about it.

Actually all along I said that both sides would gain some of their demands but not all of them and that is what is happening.

The deal is performance based (Iran’s performance) and that is made clear in the wording of the Memorandum of Understanding.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 21:05

Iran just has to recommit to not developing nuclear weapons.