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Conflict in the Middle East

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

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JadeHare · 27/05/2026 17:21

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation

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RedTagAlan · 19/06/2026 17:09

CNN reporting this 10 minutes before this post:

"The Israeli military killed at least 47 people in Lebanon on Friday, according to the Lebanese health ministry, making it the second deadliest day since hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah flared in early March.
The ministry said two children were among the victims from strikes across a swath of southern Lebanon, which came after the Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah killed four Israeli soldiers overnight.
Also on Friday, multiple sources told CNN Israel and Hezbollah had resolved a ceasefire deal that was expected to begin at 4 p.m. local time (9 a.m. ET)."

The bolded part about the 4 Israeli soldiers is a link. Here is the linked story. It's all on the CNN feed, 7 hours ago.

"Four Israeli soldiers were killed in southern Lebanon overnight Friday in the first Israeli deaths since the signing of the Iran ceasefire deal.
According to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), the four soldiers were in a Merkava tank near Kfar Tebnit, an area the military has been targeting. A Hezbollah explosive device struck the tank, the IDF said, killing the soldiers inside who were the commanders of the 52nd Battalion.
The IDF identified one of the soldiers as Lt. Col. Dor Gedalia Ben Shimon. The military has not released the identities of the three other soldiers."

In the above clip I bolded Merkava tank, and I looked it up. I thought it was maybe an APC or something similar. But no, it's a main battle tank. And when I look up that, I get this quote : "Current iterations of this tank are considered broadly equivalent to the capabilities of the M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and the Challenger 2.

Now this might be an older tank than the current iterations. No idea. However, this tank is world leading in terms of amour. And note that the second CNN story I clipped said the soldiers were inside.

This is an example of a "shallow dig", real time. As in, I pasted the first story, clicked link, pasted second, then looked up the tank details.

And frankly, it makes no sense. Because when a tank of that class is destroyed, esp in what appears to be an IED attack or asymmetrical warfare, it is usually world news. There would normally be shockwaves around the world over this.

But not here. The tank type is just a byline. A main battle tank rated as equal to the best in the world.

And this why so much seems suspect. No tin foil hat needed. These tanks are literary bomb proof.

Link to quote about the tank:

Merkava | Military Wiki | Fandom

JadeHare · 19/06/2026 17:34

From the BBC:

The 16:00 ceasefire appears to be a ceasefire in name only.
We spent the day at a hospital in Nabatieh, southern Lebanon, perched on a hilltop with a 360° view of the town and surrounding villages.
Our team counted more than a dozen Israeli air strikes in our time there.
As we were leaving, the ceasefire was announced. But our contacts at the hospital told us the booms kept coming.
According to the Nabatieh ambulance service, there’s been at least 12 strikes since the ceasefire deadline.
People in the city have little hope that it will be respected.

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TopPocketFind · 19/06/2026 17:36

These declarations are made out in the open, now with automatic translation. Western politicians and commentators who pretend not to notice these grotesque declarations by the national security minister of a state which their countries arm and fund are complicit in them.

https://bsky.app/profile/benphillips76.bsky.social/post/3monfzx6lbs2v

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2
RedTagAlan · 19/06/2026 17:39

Further to my above post on the Merkava main battle tank, with my limited internet I found this:

"Despite its cutting-edge features, the tank has proven vulnerable to attacks, as lightly armed Palestinian fighters continue to inflict significant losses on Israeli armored forces. Dozens of Merkava tanks and hundreds of other armored vehicles have been destroyed since the escalation of the conflict in October 2023.
Simultaneously, Israeli Merkava tanks have suffered heavy losses in Southern Lebanon during clashes with Hezbollah forces, with an estimated 60 tanks destroyed in one month, raising questions about the tank’s survivability and its implications for Western defense capabilities."

I have no idea if this is information/disinformation. I suspect the latter. Because to lose 60 tanks in 1 month is catastrophic. And if Hezbollah have that capability, it does rather render tanks obsolete.

Source :

Latest Variant of Merkava IV "Barak" Super Tank Destroyed in Gaza - Defence Security Asia

Latest Variant of Merkava IV "Barak" Super Tank Destroyed in Gaza - Defence Security Asia

Palestinian fighters in the Gaza Strip have successfully destroyed a Merkava IV Barak main battle tank (MBT), the latest variant of Israel’s dubbed the “Super Tank.”

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/latest-variant-of-merkava-iv-barak-super-tank-destroyed-in-gaza/#:~:text=Palestinian%20fighters%20in%20Gaza%20have%20successfully%20destroyed%20an,killing%20three%20out%20of%20its%20four%20crew%20members.

MissyB1 · 19/06/2026 17:48

TopPocketFind · 19/06/2026 17:36

These declarations are made out in the open, now with automatic translation. Western politicians and commentators who pretend not to notice these grotesque declarations by the national security minister of a state which their countries arm and fund are complicit in them.

https://bsky.app/profile/benphillips76.bsky.social/post/3monfzx6lbs2v

Yep he’s literally in the Israeli Government and is loud and proud with this sort of evil shit.

ilovepuppies2019 · 19/06/2026 19:37

Twiglets1 · 19/06/2026 14:13

If you knew your neighbour was committed to killing you because they hated you but also because they were being paid to kill you - you would put a lot of money and effort into defending yourself.

And would also fight back to try to kill them before they got to you and your dependents.

Israel have been utterly committed to killing their neighbours. Watching the settler violence and listening to their wishes for the entire Palestinian people to die or be forcibly removed is chilling. I don't know if you've seen Louis Theroux's latest documentary on the West Bank but it depicts the settler hatred well. Settler violence has risen to historic levels and settlers kill and attack the people living on their land they've stolen.

Hammas's hatred of Israeli is well known but somehow Israel have gotten away with the narrative that they just want to leave in peace with Palestine. The West needs to face the realty that Israel are committed to killing their neighbours and vice versa. It seems like Trump got frustrated enough with Netanyahu taking away his 'victory' that he saw the truth for one moment. I'm sure it will fade away quickly but it might mark a turning point in the Wester responding to Israel's violence.

ilovepuppies2019 · 19/06/2026 19:46

TopPocketFind · 19/06/2026 17:36

These declarations are made out in the open, now with automatic translation. Western politicians and commentators who pretend not to notice these grotesque declarations by the national security minister of a state which their countries arm and fund are complicit in them.

https://bsky.app/profile/benphillips76.bsky.social/post/3monfzx6lbs2v

"All of Lebanon must burn"

The latest declaration of intent for genocide. Obviously it's far from the first but now it's been extended to Lebanon. This is so grotesque from the National Security Minister of a state which the Wester supports as an alley.

I agree with Israel that they are not a party to MOU and can do whatever they feel is neccessary to defend their country. Now the rest of the world needs to respond to these actions instead of pretending that Israel is a reasonable state not run by a terrorist leader. It's time for the ICC warrant to be actioned and for Netanyahu to be arrested followed by the steepest sanctions available and the end to the provision of weaponry from the West.

Israel can take whatever action they feel is appropriate as they're a autonomous nation and not an extension of the US. If they don't want to be part of a peal deal and prefer to kill the civilians of surrounding countries then they can also feel the consequences of those actions which should be very, very steep.

JadeHare · 19/06/2026 20:29

Yeah right Donald. From CNN:

President Donald Trump said in an interview released Friday that he believes he can prevent Israel from attacking Lebanon.
Asked by Axios reporter Marc Caputo whether he was able to control Israel from attacking Lebanon, Trump replied: “Yeah, I will be.”
“They have a lot of respect for me, and they do as I say,” Trump added.

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Twiglets1 · 19/06/2026 22:15

Ihatetomatoes · 19/06/2026 16:43

Lets hope it holds.

Indeed.

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 00:24

White House envoy Steve Witkoff is on his way to Switzerland, where the first round of talks with Iran on a potential nuclear deal is expected to take place, a U.S. official told Axios.

The U.S. official said Trump's envoy Jared Kushner is already in Switzerland.

rainingsnoring · 20/06/2026 00:49

JadeHare · 19/06/2026 20:29

Yeah right Donald. From CNN:

President Donald Trump said in an interview released Friday that he believes he can prevent Israel from attacking Lebanon.
Asked by Axios reporter Marc Caputo whether he was able to control Israel from attacking Lebanon, Trump replied: “Yeah, I will be.”
“They have a lot of respect for me, and they do as I say,” Trump added.

But will Don cut off their US funding? That's the question.
I think he is panicking about the state of the world economy, the dollar, the oil market but is caught because of his incredibly wealthy and powerful Jewish donors and perhaps there is an Epstein link in there too.

rainingsnoring · 20/06/2026 00:50

TopPocketFind · 20/06/2026 00:24

White House envoy Steve Witkoff is on his way to Switzerland, where the first round of talks with Iran on a potential nuclear deal is expected to take place, a U.S. official told Axios.

The U.S. official said Trump's envoy Jared Kushner is already in Switzerland.

If those two are still involved, it doesn't sound as if any serious negotiations can take place.

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 01:59

‘.Talks depend on the situation in Lebanon

According to an Axios source in one of the mediating countries, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi told his counterparts that a stable ceasefire in Lebanon is a critically important condition for the continuation of U.S.-Iranian talks.
Vance postpones trip to Switzerland for negotiations with Iran on nuclear program19.06.26, 06:58

Another source reported that the Iranian side wants to ensure the durability of the truce, so the talks are unlikely to begin before Monday. At the same time, the timeline may change depending on the development of the situation in the Middle East.

Vance postpones trip to Switzerland for negotiations with Iran on nuclear program
KyivUNN
June 19 2026, 04:58 AM • 3906 views
U.S. Vice President JD Vance has postponed a planned visit to Switzerland for talks with Iran on its nuclear program due to complex logistical circumstances.

Iran is also delaying the dispatch of its delegation because of Israeli strikes on Lebanon.’

So it hinges on Lebanon.

Iran will clearly not negotiate unless everyone sticks to the MOU

Quite right

Vance postpones trip to Switzerland for negotiations with Iran on nuclear program

УНН Politics ✎ U.S. Vice President JD Vance has postponed a planned visit to Switzerland for talks with Iran on its nuclear program due to complex logistical circums…

https://unn.ua/en/news/vance-postpones-trip-to-switzerland-for-negotiations-with-iran-on-nuclear-program

DrPrunesqualer · 20/06/2026 02:12

rainingsnoring · 20/06/2026 00:50

If those two are still involved, it doesn't sound as if any serious negotiations can take place.

Especially as Kushner sees Nothing wrong with throwing locals off their own land

ilovepuppies2019 · 20/06/2026 05:01

rainingsnoring · 20/06/2026 00:49

But will Don cut off their US funding? That's the question.
I think he is panicking about the state of the world economy, the dollar, the oil market but is caught because of his incredibly wealthy and powerful Jewish donors and perhaps there is an Epstein link in there too.

That’s what it’s going to take I think and I doubt Trump has it in him. There’s a lot of Republican Christians who donate big and won’t accept the end of funding and weapons to Israel.

RedTagAlan · 20/06/2026 05:16

ilovepuppies2019 · 20/06/2026 05:01

That’s what it’s going to take I think and I doubt Trump has it in him. There’s a lot of Republican Christians who donate big and won’t accept the end of funding and weapons to Israel.

Indeed. And by of these Christians want the 2nd temple to be rebuilt to bring about the 2nd coming of Jesus, where everyone but the Christians will be destroyed. Or variations of this depending on what denomination.

I remember when former congresswoman Michelle Bachman went on Israeli radio and called out " Convert and Repent"

She said that in 2015, but the problem is the WH is loaded with right wing Christians who believe this. And a massive part of Trump's base believes this.

U.S. politician Michele Bachmann sorry for calling on Jews to convert to Christianity - Jewish News

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 06:49

The IRGC have the solution to the fighting in Lebanon - stop funding Hezbollah.

On the other side, it is likely that the Israeli Security Minister has committed many war crimes and I hope he gets punished for them.

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 07:15

More likely Israel will investigate. End of story.

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Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 07:24

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 07:15

More likely Israel will investigate. End of story.

Other countries could impose sanctions on him and should do.

JadeHare · 20/06/2026 07:25

Anyway, it looks like Israel are continuing to break the ceasefire. From CNN:

Israeli strikes hit several towns in southern Lebanon on Saturday morning local time, killing at least five people, Lebanese state-run National News Agency reported, despite Israel and Hezbollah renewing their truce Friday.
Strikes and artillery fire were reported across Nabatieh district, destroying homes and residential buildings, according to NNA.
Three people were killed after Israeli jets struck the town of Arab Salim at around 6:30 a.m. local time, NNA reported. One person was killed in a strike on the town of Deir al-Zahrani and another killed when a drone struck a motorcycle in the town of al-Dweir at around 7:30 a.m., the news agency reported.

Live updates: Witkoff heading to Switzerland for Iran talks, US official says | CNN

In Lebanon, Israeli strikes are again testing a truce with Hezbollah that was renewed just yesterday after the conflict jeopardized US-Iran negotiations. Follow for live updates.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/20/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-israel-lebanon?post-id=cmqlsks7a001g3b6ss5cpmamf

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Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 07:37

From your source this morning @JadeHare it wasn't just Israel breaking the ceasefire:

"A renewed truce was reached between Israel and Hezbollah after the two sides traded deadly fire, potentially imperiling negotiations to reach a final peace deal between the United States and Iran".

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 07:54

@DrPrunesqualer You say "Iran will clearly not negotiate unless everyone sticks to the MOU" but they need to have a word with their paid terrorists Hezbollah.

From the Guardian: implementation of the new deal was cancelled when Hezbollah killed four Israeli soldiers and Israel carried out a wave of retaliatory airstrikes in southern Lebanon and the Bekaa valley that killed at least 47 people.

As @Ihatetomatoes says, both the IDF and the various terrorist groups all need to stop, everyone together.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/19/israel-hezbollah-renew-ceasefire-lebanon-us-iran-agreement

rainingsnoring · 20/06/2026 09:43

It's very simple. Israel are invading Lebanon, attacking their civilians, have clear genocidal intent (see quotes from their senior leaders). They have done the same in Gaza. They do not have any right to complain about a defense force defending themselves against their attack, resulting in 4 IDF soldiers being killed. Only the Israelis would try to play the victim in the situation where they are the attackers. The solution is clearly for the invaders to leave, stop attacking other countries. stealing their land and causing a trail of destruction in their wake. Clearly, the Israeli government do not want to do that and intent to destroy the MOU.
Having said that, I wouldn't trust the American administration an inch either.

Twiglets1 · 20/06/2026 09:51

It’s very simple. Iran has a desire to destroy Israel - genocidal intent you could say. They use their proxies to continually attack Israel. See Hamas, see Hezbollah.

There can be no peace in the Middle East until Iran stop attacking Israel via their proxies. Again, they all need to stop - Israel & the various terrorist groups.