US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

I don't read his Truth Social posts apart from in passing when they are posted on MN or in articles.

As for him mentioning Obama often - it was not disputed that Obama was one of the reasons. I said it was not the only reason - the other main one was likely his relationship with Netanyahu.

Because they could ... ok. Makes sense (not).

I think this response - together with the sketch by @TopPocketFind at 15.50 tells me that the discussion has got a little silly now so I'll take a break.

Sketch?

It was a live interview with the US Secretary of War.

You edited the interview so much it was like a Sketch.

I'll leave you to it and come back when there is a serious development.

The deal was torn up by Trump
There was no longer a deal to stick to

Meanwhile Israel have always refused to sign it

So we shouldn’t trust anyone that has always refused to sign the deal then

I agree

I would take the opinion of distinguished international scholar Professor John Mearsheimer and other scholars than any Israeli government official. Having a single nuclear armed state in region, that does not respect International Law or borders is the largest destabilising factor.

We can also now see over the last 2 wars with Iran, they've not targeted schools, hospitals, places of worship etc. even though they are capable of doing so.

The only Country in the region that has killed 10's of thousands of Women and Children over the decades starting with the Nakba is Israel. Of course if my behaviour and actions had been so contrary to decent behaviour and International Law I would be scared of another regional power getting stronger and perhaps making me answer for my crimes. That's the Israeli governments fear, finally being held to account.

The truth is that a growing majority of the world is realising that these pointless wars in the Middle East were fought on behalf of Israel and securing it's position in the region and based on lies and assertions by experts who prioritized the Israeli governments POV. This has led to the death and displacement of millions in the region and is the major factor of the migrant crisis in Europe.

Here is the 2 minute clip

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3moayvd3quu2k

He said it

And Europe, like the little American lapdogs that they are, just followed Trump's lead and also failed to complete their obligations under the JCPOA as promised.

In fact Iran was extremely weak, they stuck to the deal for 2 years after Trump tore it up.

@BelleHathor it doesn't surprise me that you choose to believe Professor John Mearsheimer than any Israeli government official. Not biased against Israel at all.

Professor John Mearsheimer who thinks that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the fault of the United States and NATO.

Oh interesting you dislike Europe "the little American lapdogs that they are" almost as much as the US.

Good old Iran eh? The heroes of the story.

Trumps said

• "Let's not blow it!" Trump writes on social media, saying the attack on Beirut "should not have happened, "particularly on a special day when we are so close to a peace deal with Iran"

What does that really mean though
‘particularly on this special day’?

Is after going to be OK then ?

It's his 80th birthday

It's his birthday, Netanyahu blew it again. They've been complaining in Israeli newspapers about how they've been left out of negotiations and that this MOU might not benefit Israel.

It was so bad that last week someone from the Pentagon leaked that one of the greatest threat to American security is Israeli espionage, they've allegedly been spying on Witkoff and others to try and obtain details of the "deal" :

"The counterintelligence threat level was raised by the Defense Intelligence Agency in recent weeks after growing concerns that Israeli espionage had become more aggressive than usual"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-raised-threat-israeli-spying-us-highest-level-sources-say-rcna348565

Ghalibaf also tweeted the below and Marandi has said that negotiations are off.,

Iran is put into a position where it will have to respond (there are protests against the MOU) which then would mean Trump may have to respond.

Former assistant DNI Joe Kent lays it out here:

"Trump is being presented with a binary choice: cut a deal or escalate the war.

At this point, the reality we are in based on the conditions we have allowed means that either way, Trump will be criticized for cutting a worse deal than Obama’s or will be forced further into a war worse than Bush's.

But we have a third option, no deal required: just declare victory and walk away.

Until Israel is restrained, they will drag us back into war just like they did after Operation Midnight Hammer.

Unless we reset the conditions on our terms, we will ultimately suffer an endless cycle of conflict at the behest of Israel.

Trump should reject the Obama/Bush binary and handle this his way—walk away, pull our troops out, cut aid to Israel, say he won, & quietly deal with the Iranians moving forward.

This way, Iran loses its incentive to choke the SOH, freeing up oil commerce & avoiding an escalation into a war no one wants and which we can’t afford.

Persia is an ancient and formidable geographic reality—we must deal with them as such."

https://x.com/joekent16jan19/status/2066178785645384119

Sorry you didn’t approve of any my answers. I gave a number of different ones, granted the first was facetious but only because I thought your question somewhat naive. Isn’t it obvious why they would want to enrich uranium?

It's all going well

Iran has rejected Trump's offer of financial incentives not to respond to Israeli strikes on Lebanon, Channel 12 reports.

Netanyahu has also rejected Trump's demands to cease fire in Lebanon and withdraw, Ynet reports.

This war has achieved nothing. Wake up people.

It has achieved something. It has made US hegemony in the area somewhat futile. The U.S. can’t control Israel. The presence of U.S. military bases have been shown to be only an illusion with regard to maintaining peace with other countries.
They in fact have made countries a target.

The actions of the U.S. themselves have resulted in the Middle East losing trade and their appearance as safe places.

I imagine the countries in the region will not be relying on US as much going forward and even creating their own links with Iran.

Iran has suspended Flights in Western Iran until further notice.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/kbts9q5b0#:~:text=The%20Iranian%20news%20agency%20Tasnim,light%20of%20the%20current%20situation.'

It was a wake up call for the GCC regimes that had moved closer to the American axis, when push came to shove the bases (that many of them had funded themselves) for protection were left unprotected as the US moved Air Defence equipment to protect Israel. The only reason that they were targeted was because they hosted US bases that were used to attack Iran.

Hard lesson to learn but as Henry Kissinger said “It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”

Or China. Honest to god. A five year old could have predicted a closing of the SOH. The whole thing was stupid. And we are now stuck with stupidity. I dispair.

Or eggs. Why are eggs so expensive? I don’t understand that one. But the good people of the US of A are obsessed with the price of eggs. Make me vomit, so I don’t care.

That’s why most of the AP press were saying he wanted it signed today. Hey ho.

Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif says a deal between the US and Iran has been reached and it will be signed in Switzerland on June 19.

More on Trump’s desperation: Iran only agreed not to carry out an attack on Israel after the US offered last-minute concessions: guarantees for Lebanon’s territorial integrity, an Israeli withdrawal from the Lebanon border, and an immediate end to the blockade, Fars reports.

Fars also says Trump conceded that Gulf waters transit rules will be regulated jointly by Iran and Oman.

https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mobrkawrx22y