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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump is desperate. How can he resolve the Iran shitshow?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 06/04/2026 00:32

He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:01

DuncinToffee · 07/04/2026 09:51

Civilian infrastructure

There is an internet blackout in Iran, how is the warning reaching people?

They are throwing warnings everywhere. Lebanon evac, Syrian border, Iraq border.

I am starting to wonder how long before they are warning the good people of Milton Keynes to stay away from concrete cows.

MushMonster · 07/04/2026 10:50

How much ammunition do they have? How can they sustain so many wars at once? I think it is crazy.

I seriously, from the bottom of my heart, think that the EU disarment approach is the right thing to do, for a better future.
I know, not in the middle of this, we now have to arm, till our teeth for the look of it.
But, all this destruction, because they have pounds and pounds of explosives. And all this money that could be used in medical research, and water and energy infrastructure building, instead of destroying. Renewable energy projects. Better education. Better research. All this money, just blown away. With the massive environmental damage.
It is insane. Long peace and stability has proved to be the way forward. And it will prevail, in the long term.

Stirabout · 07/04/2026 10:54

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 05:59

This makes no sense at all. If ok, I want to quote something else you said a few posts above, so I can try to figure this out.

"well ill give you this bit :
Trump did withdraw the U.S. from the JCPOA. he called it a "horrible one-sided deal" and reimposed sanctions. Iran stayed compliant initially but began breaching limits after ~1 year (higher enrichment, more centrifuges) as sanctions bit. By 2025–2026, it had advanced its program significantly though still short of a weapon.
so prove to me that that piece of intelligence is wrong ?"

Trump withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018. Iran were in adherence to it. Remember, it was between Iran and the nations who are perm members of the UN security council plus the EU. All the other members insisted Iran was adhering, It is

I have linked the statement of withdrawal below. It is Trumps usual rambling mish mash. Look at the state of it. It is a near incoherent mess of logical fallacies. It is a gish gash of whataboutisms, presented with no evidence at all.

But you appear to be saying that the war is justified because they were doing enrichment in 2026. But Trump tore up the nuke deal in 2018. So if they were doing enrichment, why start a war over it, because the deal for them not to do so was torn up be Trump nearly a decade ago.

Its basically saying.... I will bomb them because they are not sticking to the deal that does not exist because I tore it up near a decade ago.

What deal were they breaching in the last couple of years ? There is no deal for them to breech.

President Donald J. Trump is Ending United States Participation in an Unacceptable Iran Deal – The White House (archives.gov)

It also doesn’t make sense because Israel never signed the 1968 Nuclear Non proliferation Treaty
Although they have never admitted to having nuclear weapons

They also did not sign the 2015 Iran nuclear deal signed between Iran, US, China, Russia, Germany, France, and Britain.

Iran has agreed to these deals when Israel never has and yet it’s Iran being bombed and not Israel
This war isn’t about nuclear weapons it’s about power, control, land and forcing submission

BerthaPotts · 07/04/2026 11:03

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:01

They are throwing warnings everywhere. Lebanon evac, Syrian border, Iraq border.

I am starting to wonder how long before they are warning the good people of Milton Keynes to stay away from concrete cows.

Trump's threat of blowing up Iran hasn't had the desired outcome yet. Iran have basically said do what you want but we won't concede to your threats and demands.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 11:05

MushMonster · 07/04/2026 10:50

How much ammunition do they have? How can they sustain so many wars at once? I think it is crazy.

I seriously, from the bottom of my heart, think that the EU disarment approach is the right thing to do, for a better future.
I know, not in the middle of this, we now have to arm, till our teeth for the look of it.
But, all this destruction, because they have pounds and pounds of explosives. And all this money that could be used in medical research, and water and energy infrastructure building, instead of destroying. Renewable energy projects. Better education. Better research. All this money, just blown away. With the massive environmental damage.
It is insane. Long peace and stability has proved to be the way forward. And it will prevail, in the long term.

Eisenhower. a Republican President said this in 1953. From his "The Chance for Peace" speech. Powerful words. And he was a Republican. I suspect Trump would call him a chump, or a commie. Even though Ike sat at the Resolute desk long before Trump did. And he led D day. How times change.

The best would be this: a life of perpetual fear and tension; a burden of arms draining the wealth and the labor of all peoples; a wasting of strength that defies the American system or the Soviet system or any system to achieve true abundance and happiness for the peoples of this earth.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.

It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.

We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. These plain and cruel truths define the peril and point the hope that come with this spring of 1953.

Source :

Dwight D. Eisenhower: The Chance for Peace (edchange.org)

Dwight D. Eisenhower: The Chance for Peace

http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/speeches/ike_chance_for_peace.html

AlwaysAnxious32 · 07/04/2026 11:05

If Iran does not open the strait of Hormuz, what is trump's plan?? He follows through on his threats to totally destroy Iran and it's infrastructure and then what? Iran retaliate by hitting whoever they can reach... Do they have nuclear weapons? It seems Iran are much more capable than what trump thinks and lead the world to believe..what happens next?! I'm genuinely concerned how quickly and dangerously this is going to escalate after his deadline.

BerthaPotts · 07/04/2026 11:18

AlwaysAnxious32 · 07/04/2026 11:05

If Iran does not open the strait of Hormuz, what is trump's plan?? He follows through on his threats to totally destroy Iran and it's infrastructure and then what? Iran retaliate by hitting whoever they can reach... Do they have nuclear weapons? It seems Iran are much more capable than what trump thinks and lead the world to believe..what happens next?! I'm genuinely concerned how quickly and dangerously this is going to escalate after his deadline.

Me too. I hope a deal can be agreed before then.

MushMonster · 07/04/2026 11:24

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 11:05

Eisenhower. a Republican President said this in 1953. From his "The Chance for Peace" speech. Powerful words. And he was a Republican. I suspect Trump would call him a chump, or a commie. Even though Ike sat at the Resolute desk long before Trump did. And he led D day. How times change.

The best would be this: a life of perpetual fear and tension; a burden of arms draining the wealth and the labor of all peoples; a wasting of strength that defies the American system or the Soviet system or any system to achieve true abundance and happiness for the peoples of this earth.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.

It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.

We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. These plain and cruel truths define the peril and point the hope that come with this spring of 1953.

Source :

Dwight D. Eisenhower: The Chance for Peace (edchange.org)

Thanks for the speech quote! It is a great speech indeed.

Tickingcrocodile · 07/04/2026 11:33

The current presidency does show that the US political system's famed set of checks and balances does not work at all. He doesn't even bother getting approval from Congress.

Stirabout · 07/04/2026 11:38

Tickingcrocodile · 07/04/2026 11:33

The current presidency does show that the US political system's famed set of checks and balances does not work at all. He doesn't even bother getting approval from Congress.

Trump doesnt understand democracy
That was obvious when he criticised and mocked Starmer for wanting to ‘speak with his team’ about military involvement in the war

KatiePricesKnickers · 07/04/2026 11:38

@Stirabout ”Iran has agreed to these deals when Israel never has and yet it’s Iran being bombed and not Israel
This war isn’t about nuclear weapons it’s about power, control, land and forcing submission”

It’s about ‘Death to America! Death to Israel!’ and Iran’s continuing quest to develop nuclear weapons to dispose of Israel with.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 11:42

MushMonster · 07/04/2026 11:24

Thanks for the speech quote! It is a great speech indeed.

Amazing isn't it. Two US presidents, And Trump claims he is the best POTUS ever.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 11:43

Tickingcrocodile · 07/04/2026 11:33

The current presidency does show that the US political system's famed set of checks and balances does not work at all. He doesn't even bother getting approval from Congress.

Cheques and bank balances.

Stirabout · 07/04/2026 11:49

KatiePricesKnickers · 07/04/2026 11:38

@Stirabout ”Iran has agreed to these deals when Israel never has and yet it’s Iran being bombed and not Israel
This war isn’t about nuclear weapons it’s about power, control, land and forcing submission”

It’s about ‘Death to America! Death to Israel!’ and Iran’s continuing quest to develop nuclear weapons to dispose of Israel with.

Netanyahu and his far right Government have made it very clear what they think.
There is no denying that

There is no proof Iran are developing nuclear weapons
There is no proof they would be used against Israel
They signed the deals, not Israel
There is also no denying that.

If Israel were so open about their nuclear capabilities they would sign the deals.

Stirabout · 07/04/2026 11:51

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 11:42

Amazing isn't it. Two US presidents, And Trump claims he is the best POTUS ever.

I think he’ll be marked down in history as quite the opposite
dingdong

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 11:53

@MushMonster I'm also staggered by how many weapons Israel has ? For such a tiny country it seems to have a never ending supply ?

Re peace and love i don't think that's possible with the bad actors in the world seizing power crippling entire countries.
In the west we have gone through centuries of revolutions and change to lead us to democracies. Unfortunalty in the middle east and elsewhere they are still operating on medieval terms.

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 11:57

@Stirabout why the uranium?what else can it be used for ?

There is no proof they would be used against the country Iran has stated it wants wiping off the face of the world? The country Iran uses hammas etc to attack it ?

roses2 · 07/04/2026 12:04

This is an interesting website to look at which shows reported attacks in the region. Looks a bit like flight radar:

https://monitor-the-situation.com/middle-east

Stirabout · 07/04/2026 12:07

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 11:57

@Stirabout why the uranium?what else can it be used for ?

There is no proof they would be used against the country Iran has stated it wants wiping off the face of the world? The country Iran uses hammas etc to attack it ?

The question is
why has Israel refused to sign any deal on nuclear proliferation
Iran has and, whilst we can never know if that makes any difference at all, they did agree and sign.

Its quite clear after Gaza and now the war in Iran and Lebanon that Israel are not trustworthy
That doesn’t mean Iran is
but Iran at least we’re prepared to sign
and
we know nothing of their intentions or capabilities re nuclear arsenal
Neither do we know how far Israel could go one day

BerthaPotts · 07/04/2026 12:10

Stirabout · 07/04/2026 12:07

The question is
why has Israel refused to sign any deal on nuclear proliferation
Iran has and, whilst we can never know if that makes any difference at all, they did agree and sign.

Its quite clear after Gaza and now the war in Iran and Lebanon that Israel are not trustworthy
That doesn’t mean Iran is
but Iran at least we’re prepared to sign
and
we know nothing of their intentions or capabilities re nuclear arsenal
Neither do we know how far Israel could go one day

I agree with this. If not now, then in the future? At one point many years ago, nobody expected Trump to win. In future if the Israeli leadership falls into the hands of Ben Gvir or similar then what? He would have no qualms in flattening a country he didn't like with a nuke.

Boolabus · 07/04/2026 12:20

BerthaPotts · 07/04/2026 12:10

I agree with this. If not now, then in the future? At one point many years ago, nobody expected Trump to win. In future if the Israeli leadership falls into the hands of Ben Gvir or similar then what? He would have no qualms in flattening a country he didn't like with a nuke.

Yes I agree. I think the last few years have shown us that any country is vulnerable to a complete despot getting into power, so it makes the argument for nuclear disarmament more compelling. No nation should have access to these weapons because no one can realistically know who could get into a position of power and be a threat in the future. Trump, and Netanyahu to some extent, have shattered the illusion that Democratic nations are immune to dangerous leaders.

Stirabout · 07/04/2026 13:09

Boolabus · 07/04/2026 12:20

Yes I agree. I think the last few years have shown us that any country is vulnerable to a complete despot getting into power, so it makes the argument for nuclear disarmament more compelling. No nation should have access to these weapons because no one can realistically know who could get into a position of power and be a threat in the future. Trump, and Netanyahu to some extent, have shattered the illusion that Democratic nations are immune to dangerous leaders.

Absolutely 👏

cantgardenintherain · 07/04/2026 13:25

Yes

BerthaPotts · 07/04/2026 13:26

When you think he can't stoop any lower. Trump: "a whole civilisation will die tonight"

Boolabus · 07/04/2026 13:28

BerthaPotts · 07/04/2026 13:26

When you think he can't stoop any lower. Trump: "a whole civilisation will die tonight"

Just posted that on another thread I'm speechless 😔

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