Trump is desperate. How can he resolve the Iran shitshow?

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He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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They haven’t given Gaza back completely

31st March BBC

Israel's defence minister has said a buffer zone will be set up inside southern Lebanon and that Israel will keep security control over a swathe of the territory even after the end of the current war against the armed group Hezbollah.
Israel Katz said the area to be occupied would go up to the Litani River in southern Lebanon - about 30km (18.6 miles) from the border with Israel.
He also said all houses in Lebanese villages near the Israeli border would be demolished.
Lebanon's Defence Minister Maj Gen Michel Menassa said Katz's remarks reflected "a clear intention to impose a new occupation of Lebanese territory". European nations, Canada and the UN also criticised Israel's announcement.
Israel sent ground troops into southern Lebanon on 2 March and has also been launching broad strikes across the country.
The action was taken after Hezbollah fired rockets into northern Israel in retaliation for Israel's assassination of Iran's supreme leader in late February, at the start of the war with Iran.
Israel was also carrying out near-daily strikes on Hezbollah before that despite a ceasefire that was agreed in 2024.
Since early March, at least 1,238 people have been killed in Lebanon, according to the Lebanese health ministry, including at least 124 children. The UN's humanitarian affairs office says 52 health workers have also been killed.
In the same period, 10 Israeli soldiers and two Israeli civilians have been killed by Hezbollah attacks, Israeli authorities say.

Others killed in the south in recent days include three Indonesian peacekeepers, and three Lebanese journalists, according to the UN and the Lebanese health ministry.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) confirmed it killed two of the journalists, describing them as "terrorists" without providing evidence to back up its claims. It also said it was aware of reports a female journalist was killed.
It has not yet been established who killed the peacekeepers.
More than a million people - roughly one in every six in the country - have also been displaced, worsening an existing humanitarian crisis in Lebanon.
Israeli officials say the aim is to protect communities in northern Israel from Hezbollah attacks.

Yes that's very true, Israel has given back 93% of all land it took during past conflicts. Israel has been attacked from day one of its formation in 1948 by various surrounding nations. I wish more people would read about its history.

Because Hamas is still there, murdering Gazans who oppose them and still firing as many rockets as they can into Israel.

What I meant was, they left Gaza in 2005 but unlike Egypt they have never been able to be confident that there was no further danger to Israelis from there. The danger was confirmed beyond all expectations on Oct 7, 2023.

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Israel Katz said the area to be occupied would go up to the Litani River - about 30km from the border with Israel.

The plan has drawn criticism from the UN, European nations and Canada - who called it "a violation of territorial sovereignty".

Israel Katz said more than 600,000 displaced Lebanese residents would be “completely prohibited” from returning to that area until the safety of residents of northern Israel was guaranteed. He added that all the houses in Lebanese villages near the Israeli border would be demolished,
“according to the model of Rafah and Beit Hanoun in Gaza”.

BBC's Hugo Bachega in Beirut

The bulldozers are already clearing. Headliner on that posted upthread

No idea why anyone would think they will be able to move back to their homes. If that was the plan they wouldn’t be demolishing everything.

Time Israel were made to create their own buffer zones on their own land if that’s what they want.

The deal was to get out
They need to do that
along with the West Bank

They have been criticised by the International community and aid agencies
Their excuses are just that

Netanyahu is doing Nothing more than enacting his grand plan
He needs to get out
and Build a buffer zone on Israeli land not violate the sovereignty of other territories.

There is no reason why he can’t do this

Meanwhile

Netanyahus partner in arms continues in his madness

The deal was not to put up with years of rocket attacks, from south Lebanon and from Gaza, culminating in a genocidal massacre in 2023.

No country can be expected to sign that deal - not even one that’s been militarily defeated, never mind the side that won.

It was raised in the recent Israel-Lebanon talks that Israel will be insisting on a border between Israel and Lebanon while Hezbollah remains a threat.

From Sky News:

Israel-Lebanon talks 'a victory for peace', Israeli ambassador says

Israel's ambassador to the US, Yechiel Leiter, is speaking to reporters in Washington after talks with Lebanon ended.
"We discovered today that we're on the same side of the equation, and that's the most positive thing we could have come away with," he says in a statement.
The parties at the talks discussed a "clearly delineated border" between Israel and Lebanon, Leiter says.
"We made it very clear that the security of our civilians is not up for negotiation. That is understood by the government of [Lebanon's President] Joseph Aoun.
"This was a victory for sanity, for responsibility and for peace."
He added a joint statement will be coming out and that they are working on a "complete" peace treaty.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-254-people-killed-by-israeli-strikes-in-lebanon-today-says-civil-defence-service-13509565

Sweet Jesus he really doesn't learn does he.
The truth social.posting is becoming quite manic, is he sleeping at all.

@Stirabout On the subject of Israeli expansion, one only has to look at the area of Israel when it was formed, and the area it controls now. Add in the estimated 700,000 illegal settlers in Palestinian territory and what they're doing ie settling, and from that gauge the possibility of Israel shooing them off to invite the original owners back to their homes, pastures and olive groves.

Given that Israel has announced an expansion into South Lebanon for it to create a defensive border, (I'm not discussing the reasons why, only the fact of expansion) the chances of it saying, sorry for the damage and dead and injured people, we're just going move back and create a border on our own territory, is as likely as Trump is a real doctor.

There are only so many all-nighters Susie Wiles can pull and she has been trying.

White House Chief Of Staff Susie Wiles Tells Advisers To Stop Giving Trump Only ‘Rose-Colored Views’ About Iran War

Tension inside President Donald Trump’s inner circle is growing as advisers grapple with how to present the ongoing war with Iran to both the president and the public.
According to a report in Time, White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles has urged aides to be more candid in their briefings, warning against offering what sources described as a “rose-colored view” of the war’s progress and its reception among Americans. The concern comes as the conflict enters its third week, with signs that public support may be slipping.
Trump has continued to project confidence in public remarks. “We have all the cards. They have none,” he said during a recent address on the war. “We are on track to complete all of America’s military objectives shortly.” The remarks were delivered during a White House address.

Yes "Since its formation" how exactly was the state of Israel formed? and what did they do to anyone who didn't want to be displaced?

Perhaps people should read up on its history....

Historical Context and Key Events (1947–1949)

• Partition and Conflict: Following the November 1947 UN resolution to partition Palestine, violence erupted.
• The Displacement: Between 1947 and 1949, roughly 750,000 to 800,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled from their homes by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army.
• Destruction of Society:
• Approximately 15,000 Palestinians were killed in various atrocities, and Palestinian society was systematically dismantled.
• Exile: Many became refugees in the Gaza Strip, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.

Its not been a one way street.

Not suggesting it has been a one way street. Blame also to Britain and the UN in the history on how Israel was created. What you can't reasonably do is blame current Israelis for how the state of Israel was created:

What was Israel before 1948 and how was it created?

Britain took control of the area known as Palestine in World War One, following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, which had ruled that part of the Middle East.

An Arab majority and a Jewish minority lived there, as well as other ethnic groups.

Tensions between the Jewish and Arab populations deepened when the UK agreed in principle to the establishment of a "national home" in Palestine for Jewish people - a pledge known as the Balfour Declaration.

Jews had historical links to the land, but Palestinian Arabs also had a claim dating back centuries and opposed the move. The British said the rights of Palestinian Arabs already living there had to be protected.

Between the 1920s and 1940s the number of Jews arriving grew, with many fleeing persecution in Europe. The murder of six million Jews during the Holocaust gave added urgency to demands for a safe haven.

The Jewish population reached 630,000, just over 30% of the population, by 1947.

In 1947, against a backdrop of growing violence between Jews and Arabs - and against British rule - the United Nations (UN) voted for Palestine to be split into separate Jewish and Arab states. Jerusalem would become an international city.

No Arab nations supported this. They argued the plan gave the Jews more of the land, even though their population was smaller.

Britain abstained. It decided to withdraw and to hand the problem to the UN at the end of 14 May 1948.

Jewish leaders in Palestine declared an independent state known as Israel hours before British rule ended. Israel was recognised by the UN the following year.

The day after Israel declared independence, it was attacked and surrounded by the armies of five Arab nations.

By the time the fighting ended with an armistice in 1949, Israel controlled most of the territory.

Agreements left Egypt occupying the Gaza Strip, Jordan occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Israel occupying West Jerusalem.

About 750,000 Palestinians fled, or were forced from, their homes on land which became Israel and ended up as refugees.

The event is known in Arabic as the Nakba (Catastrophe).

In the years that followed, hundreds of thousands of Jews left, or were expelled from, Muslim majority countries across the Middle East and North Africa, with many going to Israel.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgr71z0jp4o

@Twiglets1 Once again, you attribute things to me i never said or implied, its becoming a habit of yours..... where in my post did i blame this generation of Israelis for the formation of the state of Israel??

On UN and Britain to blame, neither forced the Israelis in commit murder and kill 15000 people (13x greater than the number killed on October 7th) or force 100s of 1000s to flee their homes??

The root cause of the issues in the ME is what happened in the late 1940s, this needs to be addressed but given the state of play in the ME, on both sides, thats looking like an impossibility.

Anyone else getting déjà vu?

No one forced five Arab nations to attack Israel the day after it declared Independence. Which it was able to do because the UN had voted for Palestine to be split into Jewish and Arab states.

Ironically, the UN voted for a two-state solution! Rejected then, vehemently. I'm not sure why it's still being pursued as clearly none of the parties involved want it.

Meanwhile according to the BBC:

The US defence secretary and the chairman of the military's joint chiefs of staff will hold a news conference about the US-Israel war with Iran on Thursday morning.

In a post on X, the US Department of War said Pete Hegseth and Dan Caine will chair the media briefing at 8:00 ET (12:00 GMT/1:00 BST) on Thursday.

I suppose I must force myself to watch that ghastly Hegseth! 🙄

It is quite ironic in a sad way that a two state solution was offered at that point and that it wasn't accepted by both sides - how much bloodshed would have been saved if Palestine had been split into separate Jewish and Arab states back in 1948, as per the UN suggestion.

The problem seems to be that the proposed plan gave the Jews a disproportionate amount of the land, which if true was the fault of the UN. It all needed to be properly negotiated but it wasn't which has led to the decades of violence we are still seeing.

Also re the news conference @GentleSheep I have read that face to face negotiations will start again between Iran and the US next week in Islambad again, so hopefully they will officially confirm that.

The Palestinians and Jews were living quite peaceably but then the Zionists came along and killed 15000 people, forcing out 750,000 others.
Some Palestinians then decided to fight back...

Or should they have just rolled over and accepted their fate?

Back on topic, lets hope talks do start again but given the gulf between both sides, its going to be a drawn out task, though perhaps Trump will back down down but then claim victory.

You fail to acknowledge that the day after Israel declared independence, it was attacked and surrounded by the armies of not one but five Arab nations.

So the question you ask could be reversed: should the Jews have just rolled over and accepted their fate?

And as for the peace talks between Iran and the US, it's pretty obvious they both want to bring an end to the war now. And both sides will back down on some things and both will claim it's a victory because they both will get some of their original demands but not all of their demands.

Ha well, who took the land? who committed the Nakba? which started 6 months before the Arab nations took action?

Now, i'm not saying Israel shouldn't have a state, of course they should but what they did to the Palestinians was very wrong and went unpunished.

There was no justification for the expulsions, let alone the killings.

BACK ON TOPIC. (sorry for the shouting peeps)
Indeed, what measures can Trump use to resolve the situation. Going on what has happened lately, mine is don't take on the Pope. You will lose.