Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

I saw the clip of Bibi lecturing about how it’s illegal to use such bombs and how bad the Iranians are for hitting civilians. A bit hypocritical coming from him.

It is horrible to hit civilians and it happens in war which is why I don’t find it satisfying that people can just brush aside the hundreds of Iranians killed because there was supposedly no intent to kill them. It was clear though they couldn’t carry out this war without such deaths. And this war was totally unnecessary!!

I’m glad that people aren’t buying the reasons from the USA and Israel to join in.

As if anyone could listen to that war criminal and not just feel pure rage.

Maybe it's just how you use of language Twiglets. No offence intended here, but maybe it is something you are not aware of ?

For example, you said " If it’s sick to accuse people of not caring about Israeli deaths why is not sick to accuse people of not caring about Palestinian deaths? Because that’s a common accusation on these threads and no one ever calls that sick, including you."

That bolded part is simply not true. I have seen plenty of folk describe that sentiment. And in a chat with you yesterday, you were doing the same thing re things being binary or nuanced. You came across as adamant that Iranian munitions were all totally accurate, and would not accept anything non binary. But we all know very little is true binary as opposed to non binary.

"no one ever calls that sick" is not true. " Some people do not call that sick", or "few people" or "most people" can be true.

Very little is true binary.

I have seen Twiglets condemn Israeli actions many times. Shes (?) relatively even handed for these boards.

The school strike was indeed a mistake. An absolutely awful one.

I can understand her point about the lack of care shown by some prolific posters, who start threads frequently about the latest Israeli atrocity but haven't started threads about the Iranian atrocities or even criticized the way Iran is mainly targeting civilians in Israel.

Theres no responsibility with one side only. This conflict goes back thousands of years and theres no one siding it. Both sides have commited atrocities in retaliation for atrocities.

We are seeing missiles hitting the streets of Tel Aviv. These are not targets with any military value and the Iranian strategy is to spread fear. I just think we have to acknowledge this is war and Iran is going to aim to harm as many Israelis and Jews as possible.....The London ambulance bombings may very likely be linked to Iran so this terror tactic may become international.

apparently a lot of Iranian missiles are embossed with images of burning Menorah so it is pretty obvious what Iran would ultimately like to do. Luckily such a symbol may not appear on the side of a nuke now but that could have happened......

If I'm wrong @RedTagAlan then kindly post a link to where someone has said it is sick to accuse a pro Israel poster of not caring about Palestinian deaths?

How many posts are written suggesting we don't care about Palestinians, even women and children? Loads. That's a sick suggestion but it doesn't get called out (only by us defending ourselves, no one else).

On another point, I did not say that Iranian munitions were all totally accurate.

For weird reasons you kept demanding that I choose between "pin point accuracy" and not accurate at all, and I pointed out they were not the only two options. This was in relation to Iran hitting an international airport in Dubai, which they did have the accuracy to do. Doesn't require pin point accuracy to hit an international airport though.

So yesterday attacks/deaths in Lebanon Iran justified, but the ones in Gaza "nuanced" "Hospitals ok to be a target... as Hamas have tunnels/use as a base"

Yet not a shred of independent evidence this is correct.

Never read a full condemnation, not once, its always caveated by Israels defenders.

Funny how a Iranian or Palestinian attack is never ever a mistake but when its Israel/US committing the atrocity, they get the benefit of the doubt.

You do not know if the attack on the school was deliberate, a mistake or just accepted as "collateral damage" & btw neither do i but given the actions of both Governments, it should be ruled out.

Just watching a poor woman being dragged out of a collapsed building in Tehran, residential area.
Repeated throughout Gaza and now Lebanon, 10s of 1000s of women, children the elderly killed, yet according to many on here, all justified or "yes its so sad but October 7th..... "

All the US/Israel is doing is ensuring the cycle of violence and new terror groups will continue & grow.
Iran will redouble efforts to get a bomb, the regime is more embedded, world drifts into recession.... For what???

Yes missiles hitting residential areas, just like in Gaza, and in Lebanon. Innocent civilians caught up in a totally unnecessary war and dying. That’s why wars are a shit idea don’t you agree? Israel shouldn’t have started this one.
The London ambulance fires will be a result of the war causing a spike in terrorism, which is going to be frightening and dangerous for all UK citizens. Maybe our Prime Minister shouldn’t have had anything to do with this illegal war at all? He’s put us all in danger.

Who justified yesterdays attacks/deaths? Not me or @dairydebris (to my knowledge).

You admit that you do not know if the attack on the school was deliberate or a mistake and yet it "should be ruled out that it was a mistake". That makes no sense. You can believe it was deliberate if you want, but a mistake cannot be ruled out. None of us know for sure.

There is evidence re hospitals that Hamas have tunnels/use as a base. There is what MSF are now saying about withdrawing from Nasser hospital. It backs up what the IDF had been saying for a long time:

Medecins Sans Frontieres has halted "non-critical" medical activities at a major hospital in southern Gaza following reports from patients and its own staff of armed men inside the facility and concerns over the movement of weapons within it.

MSF's statement appeared to mark the first time that an international humanitarian group in Gaza has publicly reported the presence of armed men in a hospital or the possible use of such a facility for moving weapons.

There are videos online of Hamas tunnels under hospitals and in June 2025 the IDF took Western journalists to view a big tunnel underneath Gaza’s European hospital (they took photographic evidence):

On Sunday, heavily armed units led a small group of journalists – the first western reporters allowed into Gaza for months – through that tunnel.
We entered through a dark, narrow passage that was stagnant with the smell of human decomposition.
“We had to ventilate it for a few days before allowing anyone down there,” said one soldier. “When a tunnel system like this collapses and there are dead bodies, gases build up.”
Although they were confident from signals intercepted at the time that they had got their most-wanted target, DNA analysis from a corpse recovered from the site has now removed any doubt of Sinwar’s death.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/msf-suspends-some-gaza-hospital-work-over-presence-gunmen-suspected-weapons-2026-02-14/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/08/inside-khan-younis-tunnel-gaza-european-hospital-sinwar/

As a practical risk, I’m far, far more worried about Israel using tactical nuclear weapons against its neighbours than the reverse.

if you were the Iranian government, would you not feel the need for a nuclear deterrent? Or is only your side allowed nukes?

and to be clear, I think the Iranian regime is appalling, I think all sides should be de-escalating and dismantling their military programmes, I think every civilian death is a tragedy. But Iran wanting nukes is a question of simple realpolitik

The ambulance fires in north London are being treated as an antisemitic hate crime by the police.

An arson attack on Jewish charity-owned ambulances in north London is being treated as an antisemitic hate crime and is being investigated by counter-terror officers, the Metropolitan Police has said.

Hatzola is a large non-profit, Jewish-led organisation that provides free emergency medical response and transportation to hospitals.

It will be the result of antisemitic idiots damaging vehicles that served the whole local community, including non Jewish people.

Using the war in Gaza as their excuse to commit an antisemitic hate crime that will only directly affect people in Golders Green.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

This was pretty horrifying and must be really scary for the local Jewish community. I lived in Hendon (the next stop on the Northern Line) for a while in my youth and know what a lovely, peaceful community it is.

i think drawing a casual link with Gaza, Iran etc. is a dangerous game. Violence begets violence but nothing justifies this senseless terrorism

i will say that I doubt it’s action by the Iranian state. That would just be so random and totally not their MO. Were I to guess, and knowing that bit of London, I think it’s more likely far-right scumbags

They might not just use them on their neighbours, given the attempt at hitting Diego Garcia the limit seems to be reaching with the weapons they have.

They are not as favourable to us as some are to them, we could be a target.

I'm not getting into these circular arguments today. Your post is a full army of strawmen.

But just to say, I fully, no caveat added condemn all acts of settlers in the WB. This is land set aside for the future Palestinian state- which is absolutely vital if this conflict is to ever end. Appropriating this land is feeding the hatred and is in no way justifiable. Its a stain on the nation of Israel.
I also fully condemn the withholding of aid during the war, no caveats. Even if Hamas would have got their hands on some, it was not Israels aid to withhold and the suffering it would have caused would have been focused on those most innocent in this conflict. A war crime, and supports the case of Israel commiting a genocide.

As for your suggestion that an Iranian or Palestinian attack on Israeli citizens could conceivably have been a mistake? You cannot be serious. These are ideologies that do not value human life, their own or their enemies.

Iran-aligned group Harakat Ashab al-Yamin al-Islamiya - The Islamic Movement of the People of the Right Hand - made an unsubstantiated claim of responsibility for the attack on its Telegram channel.

So we’ll see I guess if you’re correct.

@dairydebris I don't think the US or the Israelis (Governments) value human life either, not even of their own citizens.

Their actions speak a lot louder than their words.

Really upsetting for the whole community I imagine, but especially scary for the Jewish community there. I agree the community is normally a lovely peaceful one, I grew up near there in north London.

Also agree that drawing a casual link with Gaza or Iran is a dangerous game. It's just racists looking for an excuse to be racist and they are targeting UK Jews.

Wes Streeting has announced that the government will fund the replacement of four Jewish community ambulances destroyed in an arson attack.

Speaking at the scene in north London, Mr Streeting said: “The aim of these attackers is clear.

“They want Jewish people in this country to live smaller lives, to live less Jewish lives, to be less visible as Jewish people, to fear going about Jewish life.

“I know that the Jewish community will not be cowed by this despicable act of evil, but it is the responsibility of the rest of us not to be bystanders.

“Every decent person in this country needs to stand up and speak up against this vile antisemitic hatred.

“And of course, the best form of solidarity is practical solidarity, which is why today, our London Ambulance Service colleagues will be providing support to the team here in Golders Green to make sure that we don’t skip a beat when it comes to responding to emergency callouts.”

Four vehicles will be in place “tomorrow morning at the latest” to replace those that were destroyed, with work ongoing to get permanent replacements, the Health Secretary said.

Mr Streeting reassured patients that the service will be there for them if needed.
Hatzola was founded in 1979 to provide emergency medical response to patients in north London at no cost.

It is run by volunteers who are trained by medical professionals who work alongside hospitals in the area, such as The Royal London, Homerton and Whittington hospitals.

It also works with national emergency services such as London Ambulance Service, London Fire Brigade, Helicopter Emergency Medical Service and the Metropolitan Police.

Hatzola responds to medical emergencies to deliver urgent care and take patients to hospital, as well as providing transport for the chronically ill or elderly patients that need transport to and from hospital.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jewish-wes-streeting-golders-green-london-ambulance-service-government-b2943745.html

There's a thread on AIBU for anyone interested in discussing the ambulances set on fire in Golders Green.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5507196-ambulances-set-on-fire-in-suspected-anti-jewish-attack?page=24&reply=151274288

Utter rubbish.
The Israelis have bomb shelters everywhere. A siren warning system. The Iron Dome. Children are taught to head straight for the nearest shelter without looking for parents.
The US doesnt care for the lives of its citizens? The exception of how shocking recent ICE atrocities says otherwise. You may say they don't care as much as you see fit, and that would be a conversation worth having. But to just blanket say Israel and the US don't care about the lives of their own civilians is total, utter garbage.

The utter lack of nuance makes posts like this impossible to engage with. It's infuriating. I'm done. Have a great day.

Agree @dairydebris Israel take more care over the safety of their own citizens than any other country I know.

Arguably they have to.

Anyway they do, and all their defensive measures prove it.

Awful. The hatred spewing forth is spreading to targeting the Jewish people in the UK. The Jewish people/ambulances targeted in the UK have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR IN GAZA OR IRAN.

It's a hate crime and the levels of hatred spewed in this country against Jewish people is appalling. This should also be treated as a terrorist incident, it's more than hatred, it's terrorism. It will spread if not sorted out. There was already a terrorist attack in Manchester.

No more marches stirring up hatred here. Enough. Standing peaceful protests yes. Going through the streets chanting and stirring up hatred and causing millions to police, no more. This is the result of stupid people's skewed thinking, linking Jewish people in the UK to Gaza and Iran. I see they haven't attacked the US embassy - because it's all about hatred and anti semitism.

Hold on, you'd ban people from marching to protest against an illegal war? Seriously?

Nothing excuses the October 7 attacks. Nothing exuses 75000+ deaths in Gaza. Nothing excuses the awful anti-semitic attack in Golders Green. I think it's wrong to suggest that they are not causally connected. Violence begets violence.

'Who started it' is now lost in the mists of time, an unanswerable question. The thing that matters is how both sides behave now. Seemingly-intractable conflicts of this kind have been resolved in the past.

Did you see the video of the residents harassing the Al jezeera journalists?

No I haven't but what is the relevance?

Well, as you responded back.... with the Utter rubbish comment, i'll call your post total nonsense, which it is, not supported by the evidence.

Israel would be a whole lot more careful who they launched attacks on if they truly cared, they certainly don't care about the awful antisemitic attacks we will increasingly see worldwide nor have they cared about the IDF soldiers killed in Gaza eithjer.

USA ? their health system shows they don't give a stuff for their own people, as would Trump perfectly happy to send American airmen and women into an illegal conflict, with potentially ground troops being sent in too.... yeah he really cares doesn't he?

Anyway as one poster would would say to your last sentence "Thank goodness"