Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

Oh really, Trump and Netanyahu have FAFO.

That would be offensive were someone to say it about the Hamas attack though?

Double standards.

No, I meant 'behaved tolerably' (you'll notice it's followed by a 'but'). I do think that post was pretty grim tbh, whichever side of the fence you're on.

Isn’t that what happens in war?

you throw bombs at people and they throw them back ?

Who has said that? I would agree that the October 7 attacks, apart from being an horrific and unwarranted atrocity, were strategically crass given what would inevitably follow (this of course being predicated on Hamas giving a fuck about ordinary Palestinians, which it clearly doesn't).

To be clear, that doesn't justify for a second the extreme disproportionality and wantonness of what Israel has done 'in response'.

Honestly, this does feel like you're seeing things that aren't really there.

Well apart from when you are Israel, in which case you should be allowed to throw the bombs but absolutely no one should throw them back apparently….

Thank you for explaining.

However the post was not "wilfully offensive" because I never post deliberately to offend anyone, even if some are offended by my opinions.

Who said what, FAFO?

@LoisGriffinskitchen said it at 11.54 on this thread Trump and that Israeli idiot have done the “fuck around” part and are now in the “find out” phase.

So you have no idea why posters would be offended by your opinion:
Doubt any of the pro Pals are going to care about Israeli civilians getting injured or killed - even Israeli children.

Do you honestly believe that of people posting on these threads or were you trying to be goady?

Trump claiming that the US is in negotiations with Iran to "make a deal" and postpones the threatened attacks on Iranian infrastructure. Iran is denying this is happening. Israel aren't even in the room.

I suspect Trump is paving the ground to declare victory and unilaterally withdraw forces - while engaging in blatant market manipulation to further enrich himself, his family, and his cronies.

He'll throw Israel and the people of Iran under the bus in return for a few billion on shorting oil and buying the dip on equities. We've seen him do it time and time again threatening and then rolling back tariffs - and now he's doing it with the entire world economy.

The CNN feed has an Israeli source saying the same thing. That he is doing market stuff while his Marines are in transit.

I didn't say I had no idea why posters would be offended by my opinion, just that it is not my goal to offend people but to debate sensitive topics.

I understand some don't like my opinions but equally I am sometimes mildly offended by their opinions. We're all adults so who cares really if I'm offended or others are? If anyone gets offended easily, this is not the board for them.

And your approach to 'debat[ing] sensitive topics' is to post things like:

Doubt any of the pro Pals are going to care about Israeli civilians getting injured or killed - even Israeli children.

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fml. Honestly, take a look at yourself.

No surprises here whatsoever, are there?

That is my genuine opinion and I doubt anyone is seriously offended by it.

Distinct lack of sympathy for Israeli civilians on this thread & others on this board.

Which offends me a bit but people are entitled to their opinions about who is worth feeling sorry about and who isn't.

I know, a poster believes some of us do not care about Israeli civilians, especially children being killed. It's very revealing tbh.

True we don't know the outcome BUT what we do know is the fall of the regime hasn't happened, instead Iran is dictating terms, blocked Hormuz and may yet cause a world wide recession.

There is no uprising, in fact the opposite, the attacks on Iran have garnered support for the regime.

Iran's influence is diminished... for now ...but one does not need to be Henry Kissinger to see that Iran will survive this and will quickly get billions from China and the far east who need their oil.

Now what do you think they will do with that revenue?

You have never condemned Israeli/US attacks, either in Gaza, Lebanon or Iran, always sought to excuse their actions.

Even the US strike on the school was excused as a "mistake"

All civilian deaths are unforgiveable, lives snuffed out, families destroyed, hopes and dreams ruined, whether thats an Iranian, a Lebanese or an Israeli who has died.

But the responsibility of bombing a residential block in Beirut lies with one side only and the death toll is very very one sided.

I don't think she cares. The lives of Palestinian children mean nothing to her.

Obviously, I know you don't think that, @Twiglets1 , but do you see the problem with your posts?

Iran is a dictatorship and a brutal regime under sanctions, of course they aren’t playing by the rules. We rightly expect better of our allies and yep … this is the reason you use diplomacy rather than assinating people you don’t like, people, innocent people get hurt.

I hate any innocent people being hurt. But I also consider this the predictable consequence of Trump and Netanyahu’s behaviour. Vote for better leaders.

It really is.

I've felt awful watching some videos of Israeli mums and their kids during all of this. It's awful to see the fear. I don't feel like discussing it with people who have spent the last 2 years calling people 'too emotional', 'useful idiots', antisemitic', 'terrorist supporters' or have the spent the time excusing atrocities as 'the fog of war', 'mistakes happen', 'Hamas started it', calling people 'human shields' and 'collateral damage' and on and on it goes.

I'll always be anti war, no matter who is target and it has made me really sad to see the erosion of international law over the past few years. Sadly enough people excused it for long enough that innocent people being the target of horrific things has just become the norm. Tbh I'm mostly out of energy for it now, not enough people cared for years and this is the result.

I have condemned Israeli attacks in Gaza actually, particularly the actions of the Settlers. I do not condone their violence towards the Palestinians there and think the IDF are wrong to allow their violent behaviour.

I called the strike on the school an accident before it was decided upon investigation that it was most likely caused by the US. I said I really think this would have been an accident whether caused by the US, Israel or Iran.

You don’t know me so it’s just flinging out insults at this point.

No insults, you re entitled to think whatever you like.... & the settlers are not in Gaza, thats the West Bank, though i expect they soon will be.

Btw, its not the IDF allowing violent behaviour, its the Israeli Govt, Courts and civil society, the (some) Israelis/Govt appear to see Palestinians as 2nd class, i note you don't condemn the taking of land.... just the violence.

As for insults, its actually pretty sick to accuse posters of not caring about Israeli deaths, i and other posters critical of Israeli actions, condemn all deaths.

But as i said, there is only one country killing 10s of 1000s of civilians, stealing land and now bombing all the bridges in S. Lebanon, in an effort to annex that country.

I condemn the taking of land @Alexandra2001 that falls within the umbrella & of my saying I condemn the actions of the Settlers.

The IDF have allowed violent behaviour unfortunately, that they should be policing.

If it’s sick to accuse people of not caring about Israeli deaths why is not sick to accuse people of not caring about Palestinian deaths? Because that’s a common accusation on these threads and no one ever calls that sick, including you.