Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

I have no idea what 'Pro Pallys' is supposed to mean ? those who go on support Palestine rallies ? those who are upset that the Israelis are committing a genocide in full of view of the international community ? those who think Palestine and Palestinians have a right to exist.

Whatever is meant by this description, these people are indeed against the deliberate targetting of civilians. It is a shame that some Zionists and others appear to be unconcernd about Palestinian deaths, Lebanese deaths, etc and only get upset when Israeli civilians die. I'm not sure what is wrong with these people.

The Isreali government persistently uses cluster bombs… the Lebanese government documented at least 15 separate attacks using cluster munitions alone on south Lebanon in November 2024. They also used cluster bombs in August 2025 against Sana’a. Isreal also refuses to become a signatory to the 2008 Convention on Cluster Munitions- so Isreal is not against the use of cluster munitions on others. In fact the extensive use of cluster bombs by Isreal in Lebanon in 2006 was a major catalyst for the implementation of the 2008 Convention…

I agree, although I would not single out Isreal. I would add the US, especially Trumps US.

In addition to what you say, I would add asymmetrical warfare, technical claims, and plain old propaganda all over.

Asymmetrical because nobody is supposed to have arms as good as the US and Israel. Claims because both side claim their arms to be accurate. The US/Israel claim accuracy (2-10 meters for a JDAM), as do Iran (50 meters for missiles). Propaganda because.... propaganda.

The US/Israel say all their munitions are pin point accurate, and that Iranian stuff can't hit a proverbial barn door at 50 paces. That sort of thing.

Yet if an Iranian missile hits a civilian housing block, then somehow the narrative from the US/Israel changes to the Iranian missiles are pinpoint accurate and they are deliberately targeting said housing.

Or the US/Isreal might say Iran is being reckless for firing inaccurate missiles. So that's back to asymmetric warfare. And we can throw in Risk assessment. Because the defense folk have a good idea how accurate or not Iranian munitions are and the failure rate, but they decided to go ahead with the war anyway.

It really does come down to this being a war of choice as you say. And the US/Israel went ahead despite knowing the risks.

Article here from last year about the accuracy on Iranian missiles.

Takeaways from a report that questions the accuracy of Iran's ballistic missiles | AP News

That doesn’t give Iran an excuse to target civilian areas in their neighbouring countries does it? They weren’t attacked by them!

Yet I don’t see much sympathy from them on this thread - just attempts at point scoring.

If you see my post above re accuracy of munitions you will see there is some confusion over deliberate targeting and accuracy/ capability.

This old narrative that Iranian munitions are so inaccurate that they can't hit a massive airfield, yet at the same they are so accurate and reliable that they can hit 72 Springfield road.

Maybe targeting international airports was a mistake? I don’t think so.

Have a read of the article I posted above, It was an Israeli military field being targeted last year. The article says what the target would be, where the missiles hit, and how a defense think tank calculated the accuracy.

So what is it ? Can't hit a barn door or can hit a pin at 1000 miles ?

Dubai international airport has been targeted by Iran.

Ok. So you state that Iran is intentionally targeting residential areas ( in Israel I assume because that is the thread subject), a range of 1000 miles, I post about accuracy and failure rate with an AP article for data, and instead of addressing my points at all, you just switch to Dubai airport. A range of around 150 miles.

So what is it ? Are Iranian 1000 mile range missiles pin point accurate, or just plain rubbish ?

When an Iranian missile crashes into a patch of desert in Jordan, was that their target. When they miss a hanger on a military airfield, was that because the target was a rabbit grazing in the long grass a mile away ?

But I'm not outraged. I'm unsurprized. That's war, isn't it? People die, things get destroyed. I don't see surprise from Israel either. They knew this would happen. Some people are just pointing out the double standards.

As to your question. Targeting civilians is always wrong. Civilians dying is always a tragedy. Purposely targeting civilians is a war crime. None of this is new.

People are pointing out when Israel 'targets' civilians its an outrage ( agreed ). When Iran targets civilians the same people are here saying ' oh don't be surprised; what did you expect ' instead of just saying- this is also an outrage.

Israel is the cause of all the world's misery.

You want to stand by that?

Bombing civilians is disgusting. The justification for it has been for two solid years on mumsnet. That's not point scoring its just not the one sided sympathy that you want.

Iran is intentionally targeting residential areas across the Middle East including Israel but not exclusive to Israel.

If they are able to target an airport in Dubai (and airports often are targets in wars) then we can assume they have some degree of accuracy. Not necessarily "pin point accurate" but not "rubbish" either.

Those aren't the only 2 options?

No one has been justifying bombing civilians.

Targeting civilians is always wrong.

The situation in Gaza is more complex because Hamas have literally built tunnels and control centres underneath civilian areas like hospitals. Hamas operate in heavily populated urban areas. So the target can be the control centres or the Hamas operatives, but civilians will get killed in the process.

That is rather different from Iran targeting civilian areas like airports which they are not doing to target US/Israeli soldiers.

@BiteSizeByzantine - "not the one sided sympathy that I want" ?

I never expected any sympathy for Israeli civilians getting inured or killed by Iran.

My first post on this thread said Doubt any of the pro Pals are going to care about Israeli civilians getting injured or killed - even Israeli children.

And I wasn't wrong.

No it isn't. That is exactly justifying it. Bombing schools and hospitals is wrong. Bombing ambulances is disgusting and look where normalising that has led to. Just stop justifying it

And I wasn't wrong.

You absolutely were wrong, my own post further back said it to you as did many many other posters, we are against civilians being targeted and killed no matter who is doing the killing so you can quit with your baseless suggestions that
pro Pals are going to care about Israeli civilians getting injured or killed - even Israeli children. because it is untrue and extremely offensive. You are actually the one who has just written a post explaining why the killing of Palestinians in Gaza was different because .....but Hamas!

My post that I tagged you in yesterday:
Doubt any of the pro Pals are going to care about Israeli civilians getting injured or killed - even Israeli children.
What utter derogatory bullst, the "pro pals" have been highlighting over and over the horrific reality of targeting civilians, and the idea that they would not feel the same when it is Israeli civilians targeted by these illegal acts is offensive, it says more about how you one side things than anyone else.**

Iran has been fighting a war against Israel for many years by financing and arming their proxies aka Hamas, Hizbollah and the Houtis.

The airport in Dubai has some kind of US military logistics centre so not a good example of a purely civilian target

I'm not arguing that bombing schools or hospitals is right, but Gaza is more complex whether you are willing to see it or not.

It is not the case in other wars that the enemy are hiding in tunnels underneath civilian areas or operating from within civilian areas like hospitals. That is a tactic Hamas have deliberately chosen.

Even MSF admitted in January the presence of “Masked and armed men” who stored weapons in Nasser hospital, which they had previously denied.

Gaza hospital used for weapons, NGO admits

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) pulled out of Nasser Hospital, in Khan Younis, on Jan 20 after staff noticed the presence of gunmen in its corridors.

On Feb 1, Israel accused the NGO of employing two Hamas and Islamic Jihad-linked workers and banned MSF from working in Gaza.

Israel said it would allow MSF to keep operating in Gaza if it disclosed the names of all staff, but the charity refused, saying that doing so would expose employees to risk. MSF will stop its Gaza operations on March 1.

Israel has long claimed that Hamas covertly uses Nasser Hospital and other civilian infrastructure for military operations, and former Israeli hostages have said they were held captive there.

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/15/gaza-hospital-used-for-weapons-ngo-admits/

...and the US killed over 160 children in just ONE attack on a School, they & the Israelis have killed 100s possibly 1000s of civilians, in Lebanon and Iran, now threatening to destroy Power plants, which is a war crime, switching off hospitals, water and sewage plants ... great for the civilians....

the Pro Israeli lot couldn't give a 4X about that.

Well, yes. But Isreal has brought this on itself. How may Palestinians did they kill? They flattened their whole country

Isreal also install military installations amongst civilian infrastructure- The Kirya is surrounded by schools, residential buildings and commercial, Site 81 is located underneath a civilian apartment building in Tel Aviv (next to a children’s playground), Haifa Naval Base is located smack bang in the centre of Haifa port - a busy commercial and civilian port, Mishima Base is located a mere 300m from the University of Haifa’s dormitories.

in Iran, of the targets struck by the U.S. and Isreal 81,000 were civilian/civic units - these include residential buildings and homes, hospitals, mosques and schools; the most notable being the double tap strike on Minab school which killed some 168 school girls aged between 7 and 12. At least 1,300 civilians have been killed in Iran to date by US and Israeli strikes, 300 of which were children.