Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

Even if your 'facts' are correct (and of course US/Israeli propaganda is a thing; I've seen little evidence for a Bond film-style subterranean network; there are a few grubby, makeshift tunnels)

Given the option of:

(i) Bombing a hospital full of children, the sick and the elderly, with no means of escaping, because there may be some Hamas in there

(ii) Not bombing the same hospital.

I know for a stone cold fact I would go for option (ii). All day fucking long, without a shadow of a doubt, for the rest of my life. Because humanity.

Can you not see that?

Oh would you stop. Who would we show our outrage to? Is our government funding the strikes? Are our shelves packed with Iranian goods helping to fund the regime? Are our allies telling them they have a right to defend themselves? Is the US providing weapons? The US and Israel are also killing and injuring Iranians. Everybody is behaving in a dangerous and illegal way. The war itself is illegal.

So someone saying oh Iran committed a war crime aren’t they awful is just jarring to say the least. Particularly as those same people who are “outraged “ find the killing and maiming of civilians in Gaza “very complicated “

Why on earth would you find it jarring to admit Iran committed a war crime but easy as pie to admit Israel and the US committed a war crime? I can't understand this at all.

Because this person has defended the use of destructive weapons in areas that are densely populated by civilians!

Of course Iran are attacking civilian targets and are threatening to use non-conventional tactics (such ans terrorist attacks) against those providing material assistance to their attackers. They are in a war of survival and will use any and every tactic possible to erode civilian morale and diplomatic and material support for the US and Israel.

This is of course a standard tactic in war and we would do exactly the same should the UK come under attack. And it’s working - any support the war had among the populace of Arab and Western allies of the US and Israel has all but disappeared.

So we can only use the accusation of war crimes comfortably when using it against Israel? And not against anyone else?

Why can't we comfortably say they have both commited war crimes?

I mean, I can. Israel has commited war crimes against Palestinians. Iran has commited war crimes against Israel. Whats the problem for you?

At least the US didn’t deliberately target a school whereas Iran did target Dubai airport for example.

It is NEVER ok to bomb a school with pupils or patients or civilians hiding inside or a hospital no matter who is hiding in it.
This is what justification looks like

There is no "Problem" but there is an issue of scale isn't there? We hear constantly, how evil Iran is but no such condemnation is ever directed at Israel by these same posters.

& who launched or rather started this current war? it wasn't Iran.

It was two old men determined to cling to power.

It’s an international airport … full of civilians as international airports tend to be.

No one mentioned the word “purely” apart from you.

Oh we should absolutely say all three have committed war crimes. I am completely comfortable with saying that.

Iran has been controlling a proxy war over Israel for very many years. They provide Hamas and Hizbollah with the funds and means to constantly attack Israel long before 28 February.

No I haven’t I have just explained that Gaza is more nuanced.

I don’t defend the use of destructive weapons around buildings that are full of civilians whether Israel or Iran do the bombing.

I can accept though that it would be impossible for the IDF to fight Hamas without bombing them & their tunnels. Which they have located in dense civilian areas. Which I find just as bad as armies bombing hospitals.

According to the rules of war it is only acceptable to bomb civilian sites like hospitals if they have been turned into military sites, which Hamas have very despicably done in Gaza.

Agreed.

I too am comfortable saying that Israel has committed war crimes and so has Iran.

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They are hardly comparable. Transport and logistics hubs have always been considered legitimate targets in war, schools less so.

As I posted earlier itt was more likely the US military logistics centre at Dubai airport that was the target not the airport itself

Whilst i agree with that, the situation now is far far worse, deaths of innocent civilians on both sides, world economic damage (will hit the poorest the heardest) the Iranian regime still intact and once oil flows again, will rearm its proxies with a vengeance.

So what has been gained?

International airports are not considered legitimate targets in war, I don’t know where you read that?

They are often targeted, but not legitimately.

So you start off saying that Iran is targeting residential areas in Isreal. When I point out that this can't be known for sure because of accuracy ( with data to back up what I say), you swap to Dubai airport. When I and others point out it was a US diplomatic center at the airport that was targeted, you say that it shows Iranian munitions to be accurate. Ignoring that Dubai airport is about 150 miles, Isreal 1000 miles, and different types of munitions were used.

And you say " Iran is intentionally targeting residential areas across the Middle East including Israel but not exclusive to Israel."

So you are just widening from your initial claim. Just move the goalposts rather than budge an inch when presented with accuracy data.

And when other posters point out that Israel target residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon. you say "that's different cos terrorists and tunnels".

Sky News and CNN have reporters in Iran just now. So I assume the photos they have of bombed out residential buildings is propaganda, or fake somehow.

I notice you don't mention the Hotels Iran have hit in the Gulf States. Likely because you have seen the video of an Hotel in Beirut being reduced to rubble by the IDF ?

So this residential area that was hit in Isreal ( or was it two ?). Do you concede that could have been an inaccuracy/failure, or are you adamant it was deliberate targeting ?

Note, I am not claiming either way.

It's got to the point that it's all tit for tat and escalating at every round. I don't like the Iranian regime but remember Israel and the US attacked Iran first and many civilians were killed in those early attacks on supposedly military targets. And it's only got worse as targets become industrial, oil, shipping etc.

Well, you don't know that at all.

You do not know what was in the minds of those who launched those missiles, whether they considered the deaths of children a price worth paying.

The USA and its Allies are thought to have killed around 100,000 civilians in the Iraqi war, 100s of schools bombed.... power, water & sewage all valid targets.

With allied tactics designed to hurt civilian populations who were thought to be helping the insurgents.

Any infrastructure that can be used for military logistics or support is a legitimate target - that's why airports, roads, bridges, railways, power plants etc are routinely destroyed during war. Under the rules of war (such as they are these days) purely civilian infrastructure such as schools and hospitals are protected, dual-use infrastructure (which is virtually everything else) is fair game.

Are you denying the underground tunnel network in Gaza now?

The size of the London underground or possibly even bigger. There are videos online for anyone to see of miles of tunnels including areas for sleeping. Genuinely didn’t think anyone was still bothering to minimise the Hamas tunnels.

So this residential area that was hit in Isreal ( or was it two ?). Do you concede that could have been an inaccuracy/failure, or are you adamant it was deliberate targeting ?

Two areas, Arad and Dimona, in Israel were targeted on Saturday causing at least 160 civilian casualties of which half were children. On top of that the old city of Jerusalem was also hit. These were all deliberate civilian attacks by Iran.