Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

I wouldn't accuse them of being on a wind up, they'll report and your post will be deleted.

For anyone reading, a reminder that US and Israeli 'precision strikes' in Gaza have killed approaching 100,000, a majority children and women.

And 1000 so far in Lebanon the past couple of weeks.

Quite.

Quote " I hoped a diplomatic resolution could be reached soon and I would still be very happy to hear that one had been agreed so that the war could stop."

There was a diplomatic solution reached, that was working, and looked to continue working.

The 2015 JCPOA. The Obama era Iran Nuke deal.

And Trump unilaterally tore it up while the other signatories begged him not to. It really is Trump that should be the subject of ire here. Who knows where we would be today if the sanction relaxation etc has continued. Iran would still be an authoritarian state for sure, but it might look a bit more like Saudi Arabia, or been well on the path of getting there.

Trump never gave peace a chance from the outset. He tore up the deal, maxed sanctions again, and started this war.

Article behind paywall
https://www.axios.com/2026/03/21/trump-peace-deal-iran-kushner-witkoff

Kushner & Witkoff “game planning“ in case Iran will accept their peace talk offer:

They want Obama's joint Comprehensive Plan of Action back, but have to wordsmith it in a way that makes it look like it’s Trump idea and that Operation Fury wasn’t a total failure.

The fact is Iran is deliberately now going to target civilian targets including through international terrorism. As I have said previously if the US or Israel were committed to targeting civilian targets they obviously could but don't.

Except Israel used cluster munitions in Lebanon last year. If that's international terrorism then that makes Israel international terrorists too? Why on earth would you want the UK to support international terrorists?

Of course the UK will have 'enemy countries' if they continue to support the killing of 1000s and 1000s of people across the middle east. Helping to kill 1000s more is not going to win over 'enemy countries' and unless you plan to obliterate them then when the bombs stop dropping you are just going to have even bigger enemies.

People need to grow up and stop thinking that big booms are going to fix everything. It hasn't in the past and it won't now.

Well this has certainly livened up a slow afternoon on CITME.

To be clear, I'm not policing the thread.

Is that another clumsy attempt to shut me up I wonder.

Quite the opposite. it was in response to your comment that this thread was about Iran, not Israel, and we should not be discussing the latter.

You post whatever you like. So will I.

Trump shouldn't have done that back in 2015.

But going back to 2015 doesn't add anything to what I said in 2026 which was that I hoped a diplomatic resolution could be reached soon and I would still be very happy to hear that one had been agreed so that the war could stop."

We all post what we want to ... so it's completely unnecessary to make comments about people policing threads.

Only MN mods can do that.

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It could certainly go a long way to getting a deal today if he were to say "sorry, I should not have ripped that up".

In fact, not only did he rip it up, but when Iran did come back to the table, and progress was being made, Trump and Netanyahu just decided to bomb and kill their government instead. Pearl harbour style. An illegal act of war against a sovereign nation, and without approval of his own congress as demanded by his countries own constitution.

And last night, He declares he will not do a deal, and he says open the waterway or I will obliterate your power generation. A potential war crime.

So nope, I don't think you can just handwave Trumps part in this away.

I think we both know he won't be apologising any more than the Iranian regime will apologise for stuff they did wrong or did wrong via their proxies like Hamas & Hezbollah.

Starmer put us in that position by allowing attacks on Iran to be launched from UK military bases. He would have been warned that being Trump’s lackey would endanger British lives. Perhaps if we had not left the EU (I’m safe in Ireland), Starmer would have had enough spine to say no to Trump.

Don't you agree that he should ?

I think he should, I think he should be doing a deal now and stopping this bloodbath.

There's a difference between targeting and hitting though.

If you’re so indiscriminate/careless in your ‘precision strikes’ that you end up killing almost 100000 Gazans, a majority children, then respectfully, I don’t feel there is a difference.

and I’m giving the Israelis and the Americans the benefit of the doubt here

I can't open your link sorry, but it was widely reported with good authority that Kushner & Witkoff did not even have any nuke experts with them, and that they were totally clueless about enrichment for bombs etc.

They were treating highly technical discussions like a property deal.

They were not even qualified for the subject.

And yes, of course being able to negotiate is important. They do not need a degree in physics. But they did not even take an expert advisor with them.

Where are your figures from? Wikipedia (certainly not a foolproof source but a useful starting point) says 75,200 violent deaths, with just over half being women, children and the elderly.

Collateral damage in wars tends to be around 50% of deaths, but you would expect this to be higher in a conflict where Hamas combatants are hiding in tunnels and leaving civilians exposed.

70,000 dead bodies of a difference?

...this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

It absolutely is and it demonstrates the absolute recklessness and disregard for innocent civilians when any military strategy does not abide by international law. I am glad you are finally agreeing to something that has been pointed out time and again on these threads.

@Twiglets1 Doubt any of the pro Pals are going to care about Israeli civilians getting injured or killed - even Israeli children.
What utter derogatory bulls**t, the "pro pals" have been highlighting over and over the horrific reality of targeting civilians, and the idea that they would not feel the same when it is Israeli civilians targeted by these illegal acts is offensive, it says more about how you one side things than anyone else.