Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

Agree Mn is moderated and no where near much of the internet. I avoid most but some stuff people link to is beyond. Not sure where the pp is in comparison.

Why ?

Surely it will depend on who does a deal with Iran, if it comes to that.

Similar to Brexit in a way. Folk wanted the UK to leave the EU so individual trade deals could be made. Is this not the same ?

But the use of 'filthy' is very specific, coupled with your comment that some posters on MN support Iran.

As I said before, why not have the courage to say what you really mean?

Because those who have to pay probably won’t want to see £1.5m per passage to a brutal authoritarian IRGC.

Pressure politically would be there to not do that, who wants to? Torturing and and oppressing others plus payments won’t be sellable to most.

In any case going by that update below ready to wait and see.

That's the whole concept of this thread really isn't? The OP talking about Iran using cluster munitions on innocent peoole but like you say if Iran stick to 'International rules' when Israel don't they are bound to lose therefore what's the problem with them using cluster munitions on innocent people? People pointing that out right at the start of the thread were called names accused of not caring. Really it's simple though isn't it if one piece of shit leader doesn't respect international law then you can't expect any other piece of shit leaders that have the misfortune of being bombed by them to do the same. You reap what you sow as they say.

I see you're determined to be offended even though no one has attacked you.

Whereas you have accused me twice now of apparently lacking courage.

However, Iran have denied it according to a senior Iranian official who spoke to Al Jazeera.

I have indeed, you have a way to infer things about posters but never manage to back it up. instead you deflect.

Same with the 'filthy corner' comment

I will leave it there as not to derail the thread

Just as well ... one more insult and I was going to report you.

Oh wait ...

It wasn't an insult.

Report if you like

Where do you get the $1.5 from. Is that not similar to the Panama canal fee ? I think the Suez is about half a mil ?

A tanker carries about half a million barrels to 2 million plus. And at $110 a barrel, $1.5 mill will hardly be noticed surely ?

It was the figure given in some articles, maybe it’s not completely decided by the IRGC yet so we’ll see.

We pay for all sorts of things but on this it’s who it goes to. Helping a theocratic authoritarian brutal military force, as agreed upon as the description earlier, isn’t what people will want.

I’m not even sure they can be paid if proscribed by say the EU, Sweden or Canada. I haven’t looked into how that works.

Helping a theocratic authoritarian brutal military force, as agreed upon as the description earlier, isn’t what people will want

So what should we ("we" as in the UK) do to avoid this?

Sweeden don't import from the gulf I think.

Anyway, can't they just un-proscribe them ? Laws are not set in stone.

You seem intent on finding problems where there are not any. The UK have not proscribed them for example. And we have OK relations with the PRC so we can get RMB easy enough.

Set on problems? They are a problem. What with the torturing and murdering people.

Why do you want the IRGC ie the brutal authoritarian military force to get loads of money anyway?

In fact, I just remembered this.

VZ has US sanctions on it. Trump can't legally sell their oil. So he got around his own laws banning dealing with VZ by doing it through Qatar. It's all very shady looking, verging on not legal, but if Trump can do it ? He did promise to give all the money back.

Why the Trump administration is holding millions of dollars from Venezuelan oil sales in a Qatari bank | CNN Business

Qatar did gift Trump a plane

Yup. $400 mil. I looked it up last week to see where it is. It is being converted now. Trump hopes to be using at by the summer. Estimated cost to US taxpayer is about a billion. He will have 3 presidential planes to use with another 2 on order. And he will have all the VZ oil money in a Qatari bank. With the price of oil being so high just now, that Qatari bank account is going to be MASSIVE.

Ok all interesting but why do you want to get round problems so the IRGC can make so much money?

Are we sure that China would worry about that?

Or Europe, if our economies collapse and lead to civil strife?

Or indeed Israel and the US who happily work with the Saudis and other Gulf countries.

That is not how world systems work.

Unfortunately.

I was also reading last week that his golfing hobby has so far cost the US tax payer $100million. It's obscene. The US need to seriously get a handle on governance and compliance in their institutions

I think China will be getting an easier pass. Either nothing to pay or they do and others don’t get through. If there is a payment still.

Mixed messages seem to be coming out rn

It's not me that wants to get around problems. That is up to Trump. I am sure he will be happy to set up another Qatari bank account to help pay Iran... for a fee.

This seems bananas to me.

The poster is not trying to get round problems so the IRGC can make so much money?

It is very poor form to manipulate her posts like that, and put the poster in a position of defense against a falsehood.

That’s bonkers. The pp is saying I’m ‘putting up problems’. It seems obvious the biggest issue is the nature of the brutal force the money is going to.