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Conflict in the Middle East

I need to say this out loud

358 replies

simplesimoneatspie · 02/03/2026 18:06

As a British citizen I am disgusted in the utter cowardice of my own government at the moment. If you are an American citizen please believe that there are people in the UK who have no respect for the way we are distancing ourselves from what is happening in the Middle East.
Your government has backbone and courage and wants to do the right thing for all our children’s futures.
I applaud Trump for standing up for his country, military, citizens of Iran…the world, and he doesn't care who he might offend in doing so.
It’s such a pity the same can’t be said for our ‘leader’. I am actually ashamed of my country at this moment in time. I truly hope this changes over the coming days/weeks.

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Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 07:58

Mercurial123 · 04/03/2026 07:45

It's just a coincidence then?

Yes it is a coincidence ... there are always scandals being uncovered and Trump could have started a war many times if he wanted to since the Epstein case began.

Talk about simplifying a complex situation! Not to mention the war will not stop the Epstein files being investigated.

SharonEllis · 04/03/2026 08:18

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 07:58

Yes it is a coincidence ... there are always scandals being uncovered and Trump could have started a war many times if he wanted to since the Epstein case began.

Talk about simplifying a complex situation! Not to mention the war will not stop the Epstein files being investigated.

Exactly. Its a ridiculous idea. As if people in the US suddenly can't think about anything but the war?! Its a conspiracy mindset.

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 08:20

Yeah well so could Iran, beginning with not shooting their own citizens.

Ihatetomatoes · 04/03/2026 08:32

Yes stupid Israel 🙄I mean terrorists tend to cause terrorism, and sadly sometimes they succeed, whether in the UK, Israel, or elsewhere.... but carry on blaming the victims, go you 👏

A friend worked for counter terrorism and said he was always worried about the one they didn't stop. They have an endless battle to keep us safe, one slip and terrorists win and people blame the ones who didn't stop it......rather than the terrorists and their backers (Iran).

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 08:33

Ihatetomatoes · 04/03/2026 08:32

Yes stupid Israel 🙄I mean terrorists tend to cause terrorism, and sadly sometimes they succeed, whether in the UK, Israel, or elsewhere.... but carry on blaming the victims, go you 👏

A friend worked for counter terrorism and said he was always worried about the one they didn't stop. They have an endless battle to keep us safe, one slip and terrorists win and people blame the ones who didn't stop it......rather than the terrorists and their backers (Iran).

Victim blaming at its finest.

Mercurial123 · 04/03/2026 08:39

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 08:20

Yeah well so could Iran, beginning with not shooting their own citizens.

Nice deflection.

whereisitnow · 05/03/2026 11:39

I think they should not have attacked. I’m no fan of Iran, their rulers are hideous, but the war might not be legal, it’s going to cost ordinary people here in uk a fortune and there will possibly be long term consequences. It has spread to other countries. There was no consultation, just demand for support after the fact. It’s certainly not a popular war. Israel is too pugnacious, imo, as is their great mate Trump.

MushMonster · 05/03/2026 11:57

I agree that this of asking for support after started a war is not on. No plan and consultation beforehand. But, now, after the fact. Just like this. Or our leaders are called one version or another of hero and coward. Spain has taken the most of Trump's anger amongst those opposing.
And how many times have Trump and JD Vance stated they would not help Europe if they start another war? Because we have to learn to defend ourselves and stop starting wars.
Plus, Trump is now telling us that he is asking the Kurds to help him. They already got hit once, by Iran, in retaliation to this talk. But.... do they really want to meddle in this? Have they declared war on anyone? Do they really want yo get involved and squashed, yet again, by the 4 countries they are divided amongst? I have not heard their side of this story told in the press yet.
The Pentagon tells one story, Trump other, Rubio points at other.....
Zero organisation. Zero.
I am happy with UK's response. Keep us out of offensive actions. The right approach for what is going on at present.

Twiglets1 · 05/03/2026 12:01

I also am happy with the UKs response to keep us out of offensive actions.

MushMonster · 05/03/2026 12:26

The guardian reports that some kurdish groups may want or have joined in the attacks. Others do not want to.
To be honest, far too many names and regions I do not know!!!!!
And a group from the North I had never heard of.

Nesbi · 05/03/2026 12:46

The Iranian regime was clearly horrific, as are many others around the world, including most urgently that of Russia, and the lives it has destroyed pursuing a war against Ukraine.

At the same time, the US turning its back on a rules based international order to instead start conflicts with whoever happens to be their villain of the week is appalling. We are all less safe as a result. They have thrown a lit match into the tinderbox of the Middle East with no strategy, no clear aim, just a desire to flex their muscles and see what happens.

Im very glad the UK is standing as far back from this as it feels able to in the circumstances.

coolmum123 · 05/03/2026 13:47

I never thought this would happen but I absolutely agree with Starmer. We should not have blindly followed the US into this. It’s Trumps mess to sort out.

Hfox · 05/03/2026 15:20

simplesimoneatspie · 02/03/2026 18:06

As a British citizen I am disgusted in the utter cowardice of my own government at the moment. If you are an American citizen please believe that there are people in the UK who have no respect for the way we are distancing ourselves from what is happening in the Middle East.
Your government has backbone and courage and wants to do the right thing for all our children’s futures.
I applaud Trump for standing up for his country, military, citizens of Iran…the world, and he doesn't care who he might offend in doing so.
It’s such a pity the same can’t be said for our ‘leader’. I am actually ashamed of my country at this moment in time. I truly hope this changes over the coming days/weeks.

Bombing iranian school kids to save the iranian people.. make it make sense.. At least Trump is after the oil and take attention away from the Epstien files, whats your excuse? just lack of common sense?

MushMonster · 05/03/2026 16:47

We are not sure where the missile that struck the school came from, as a verified matter. At least as of yesterday morning.
If they have managed to verify it by now, then please correct me.

1dayatatime · 05/03/2026 16:50

Hfox · 05/03/2026 15:20

Bombing iranian school kids to save the iranian people.. make it make sense.. At least Trump is after the oil and take attention away from the Epstien files, whats your excuse? just lack of common sense?

Oh where to start?

Do you have any evidence or links to back up your statements that:
It was the US that bombed the school and not a misfired Iranian missile or a falling SAM.
That the attack is about oil, because financially this makes no sense at all.
The rather tenuous linkage to the Epstein files.

Or are your comments just based on an informed personal opinion.

Mercurial123 · 05/03/2026 20:00

Interesting timeline of events from Declassified UK

What is Britain doing in Iran?
On Saturday morning, the US and Israel launched an illegal war of aggression against Iran.

While that is not how the events of recent days have been reported across the media, there is simply no other way to describe what has happened.

The Iranian government was in the process of negotiating with the US on its nuclear programme and, according to the Omani mediators, progress was being made.

Normalisation between Washington and Tehran is precisely what keeps Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu up at night.

For over three decades, he has been claiming that Iran was on the cusp of attaining a nuclear weapon, even as Israel remains the only power in the region to actually possess them.

In 1992, Netanyahu declared Iran would “become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb”. In 2015, during the development of the Iran nuclear deal, Netanyahu told the US Congress that negotiations would “not prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons”.

That deal went ahead nonetheless, and Iran was complying with its obligations to limit activities which could lead to the production of weapons-grade uranium or plutonium.

But in 2018, just one week after Netanyahu delivered a presentation claiming “Iran lied, big time” about its nuclear activities, US president Donald Trump pulled out of the deal.

The US and Israel went on to bomb Iran in June 2025, with Trump claiming the strikes had “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities.

Despite this, Trump has tried to resurrect the nuclear angle once again in his attempt to justify the current war on Tehran. “An Iranian regime armed with long-range missiles and nuclear weapons would be a dire threat to every American,” he said this week.

The problem for Trump and Netanyahu, insofar as international law is concerned, is that a foreign state does not pose an “imminent threat” just because they say it does.

Which brings us to the legality of Britain’s ever-growing involvement in the war.

The UK government allowed US forces to transit through Royal Air Force bases during the build-up to the operation but did not allow British bases to be used in the initial attack.

Starmer then announced on Sunday that the US could use RAF bases – particularly Diego Garcia and Fairford, which are the most operationally useful to the US – to launch what he said were “defensive” operations against Iranian missile launchers and depots.

Downing Street said on the record that the decision to take “limited defensive action” had been made in response to a “request” from the US.

According to law professor Adil Haque: “Since the US may not use force against Iran in collective self-defense of the Gulf States, the UK may not assist the US in using force against Iran under any circumstances”.

In other words, Britain’s decision to provide “defensive” support to the aggressor would appear to make it complicit in the crime of aggression.

“It is not possible for the UK to facilitate US strikes that are aimed at defending the Gulf states without also facilitating US strikes that are part of its unlawful campaign”, Haque added.

In any case, it remains unclear how the UK government can ensure US strikes launched from RAF bases are meeting its definition of “defensive”, particularly in light of the reported lack of intelligence sharing between London and Washington.

In the days since Starmer committed British bases to these “defensive” operations, the US has continued to telegraph its war crimes to the world.

US war secretary Pete Hegseth said on Wednesday that the US and Israel were aiming for “uncontested airspace” over Iran “in under a week” to unleash “death and destruction from the sky all day long”. This comes amid the carpet bombing of Tehran, a city of around 10 million people.

A US submarine also struck an Iranian naval vessel in international waters, thousands of miles from Iran, and fled the scene without making any attempt to pick up survivors.

Starmer said on Monday he had learnt from the “mistakes of Iraq”. Providing material support to the US as it conducts an illegal war in the Middle East would indicate he hasn’t.

Bitsandbobs2 · 05/03/2026 20:03

We can stay away and say " oh, not our war", etc.
However, I really doubt if UK would get ANY military help is someone would attack us. Definitely zero from USA. And probably nothing from NATO too. That's the problem.

MushMonster · 05/03/2026 20:30

I think the European NATO and Canada will, with no doubt.
They are making their way to Cyprus. France, Spain and Italy. I am sure more. But those sent ships. It is my understanding that ours is not there yet.
Europe will defend each other.
But US.... I think Trump will just make some hurtful remark and laugh at us, or worst, send Vance to do it!

Ihangthemoon · 05/03/2026 20:36

Spain is not getting involved no. We should join them. This is an illegal war. Really good interview with a Spanish minister on C4 news today

JaneJeffer · 05/03/2026 22:49

Seems the OP has lost interest in going to war?

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 06:15

JaneJeffer · 05/03/2026 22:49

Seems the OP has lost interest in going to war?

Those sort of posts are common on MN - OP makes a controversial post then is never seen again 🤷🏼‍♀️

1dayatatime · 06/03/2026 10:23

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 06:15

Those sort of posts are common on MN - OP makes a controversial post then is never seen again 🤷🏼‍♀️

My pet hate is the threads that start along the lines of:

"I don't know much about the news / events in the Middle East/ conflict in Iran etc] but can someone please explain to me why [insert emotive reason- such as why is Trump bombing a cats and dog rescue home or say why the Iranian IRGC are torturing children etc]"

They then get both sides stirred up , create further division, anger and entrenchment of polarised views and are then never heard of again.

Chingchok · 06/03/2026 11:00

Just reading the thread I’m taken aback, to say the least. I wasn’t expecting to see ANY support for this war of aggression. Let alone full-on warmongering. So I’m truly interested - those of you who are for this war, where do you get your news? Newspapers? TV news? Someone close to you? How often do you completely change your mind when you get new information? Are you aware of who owns or controls the paper you read, the news channel you view, and what their aims and views are? Lastly, did you study history and how much do you know about our past involvement in Iran? 1953?

I ask because after a 17 year absence, I’ve had a year back in the U.K. and the brainwashing and propaganda appears really flagrant to me. Sure with the internet I could read UK news too but then there’s the subliminal stuff, the newspaper headlines you kind of half glimpse at the news stands, the radio, the TV, the people you know - and their opinions. My family members were at first resistant to the idea that they were not independently forming their own opinions, but the fact that we also speak several languages and have lived in an international context for a while made them stop and think. They’re now extremely alert to the manipulations of the media. Personally I look around and I see people every day picking up certain newspapers with highly manipulative and questionable, and I’m not surprised so many feel the way they do.

And idk after watching two years of horror in Gaza, have we normalised bombing children? Something that we can’t wait to sign up for?

Next time someone presents you with facts about Iran that don’t match your perceptions, sit with it. Compare it to past US and U.K. involvement in Iran and the motivations that lay behind that. And maybe this post is just part of the whole machine, just like the Telegraph headline stating “Britain backs war”.

Do we, though? Do we really want that?

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 11:02

1dayatatime · 06/03/2026 10:23

My pet hate is the threads that start along the lines of:

"I don't know much about the news / events in the Middle East/ conflict in Iran etc] but can someone please explain to me why [insert emotive reason- such as why is Trump bombing a cats and dog rescue home or say why the Iranian IRGC are torturing children etc]"

They then get both sides stirred up , create further division, anger and entrenchment of polarised views and are then never heard of again.

Yes I know ...they don't seem genuine OPs because I can't understand why you wouldn't even once return to your own thread if you care enough about a topic to start a thread about it.

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 11:08

Chingchok · 06/03/2026 11:00

Just reading the thread I’m taken aback, to say the least. I wasn’t expecting to see ANY support for this war of aggression. Let alone full-on warmongering. So I’m truly interested - those of you who are for this war, where do you get your news? Newspapers? TV news? Someone close to you? How often do you completely change your mind when you get new information? Are you aware of who owns or controls the paper you read, the news channel you view, and what their aims and views are? Lastly, did you study history and how much do you know about our past involvement in Iran? 1953?

I ask because after a 17 year absence, I’ve had a year back in the U.K. and the brainwashing and propaganda appears really flagrant to me. Sure with the internet I could read UK news too but then there’s the subliminal stuff, the newspaper headlines you kind of half glimpse at the news stands, the radio, the TV, the people you know - and their opinions. My family members were at first resistant to the idea that they were not independently forming their own opinions, but the fact that we also speak several languages and have lived in an international context for a while made them stop and think. They’re now extremely alert to the manipulations of the media. Personally I look around and I see people every day picking up certain newspapers with highly manipulative and questionable, and I’m not surprised so many feel the way they do.

And idk after watching two years of horror in Gaza, have we normalised bombing children? Something that we can’t wait to sign up for?

Next time someone presents you with facts about Iran that don’t match your perceptions, sit with it. Compare it to past US and U.K. involvement in Iran and the motivations that lay behind that. And maybe this post is just part of the whole machine, just like the Telegraph headline stating “Britain backs war”.

Do we, though? Do we really want that?

Didn't read the whole post because the first few sentences were so disingenuous. Do you really expect anyone to believe that you had no idea there would be people in the UK both pro and anti the war in Iran? Did you not know that lots of UK people have been absolutely horrified by what the Iranian regime has been doing - killing its own civilians in huge numbers for protesting?

Quite apart from the huge problem of people who would do that to their own population pursuing nuclear capabilities.

Be more honest and maybe its worth debating.