Protests in Iran increase

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7y0579lp8o.amp

It is beyond belief.

Still silence from Greta Thunberg and others who make their views known on Palestine and other human rights causes.
I’m beginning to wonder if they are under some sort of paid contract which
has conditions about which political situations they are allowed to comment on.

Apparently the UN is investigating whether white phosphorus was used to produce phosphoric acid smoke do disperse the protestors.

Someone needs to directly ask her about Iran with a camera on.

The silence from activists like Greta is disturbing. Disgusting hypocrite with her holier than thou attitude- but only about certain human rights issues.

I think she's best ignored. But Iran has certainly exposed many individual pro-Pals and the movement as a whole as the antisemites they are.

Why? I find it exhausting that people are expected to speak up on everything these days or be called names.

The scale and ferocity of what is happening in Iran is nothing like the sustained scale and ferocity of killings in Gaza. Over the first 3 months in Gaza 15000 people were killed including 6000 children. That's the equivalent of 675000 Iranians and 270000 Iranian children. I can see reports of 8 Iranian children killed, even if we take like for like and 8 Palestinian children were killed do you think Greta would have spoken out? The obvious answer is no because she didn't speak out prior to Oct 7 when multiples of that number had already been killed by Israel. There are already sanctions on Iran. No Western leaders are sitting around saying that a quarter of a million dead Iranian children is understandable(or almost 1million as it stands now). It's apples and oranges.

It's great that you have found a cause you like to speak out on but not everybody has to speak out about the same things as you, that doesn't make them disgusting, it makes them human. Myanmar, Ethiopia, Sudan, Yemen, Nigeria, DR Congo and more all experiencing civil war. Are you disgusting for not speaking about each and every one? Greta is just the same as you, possibly a lot younger, it is no less moral for her not to speak out on all of these conflicts than it is for you not to speak out on all of these conflicts. Give the young woman a break, the vitriol aimed at her across the Internet is very intense, how would you handle that level of vitriol at 23 or now because you aren't speaking out about every conflict worldwide because there is no reason she should be getting it in the neck and not everyone else who also picks certain causes to speak up on.

I'm not getting involved in this thread but I had to speak up for Greta because I think its appalling that she is being continually targeted the way that she is and don't understand what peoples end goal is with it. Nobody can (or should in my opinion) speak out on everything, Greta is no different.

Well its great that you have found a cause (Greta). The reason why this exposes the hypocrisy of Greta and her cronies is because Gaza wasn't/isn't just a cause they supported. Its one they tried to impose on everyone else through disruptive direct action, bds, and direct targetting of people that didn't share their views. They framed it in terms of universal human rights. Apparently silence was complicity etc. Now suddenly its not. And what is most telling is these people cant even talk about Iran without bringing Israel into it. And I would add that people who didn't join in were not just 'called names'.

If you think trading stats is productive then reports from Iran suggest vast numbers killed in just a few days. If the regime continues at that rate the numbers will exceed Gaza very quickly. Your figures are not 'the equivalent' of anything.

The pro-Pal movement was apparently all about making our government do something, "not in my name' and all that. It was urgent, morally imperative, get on a boat, do something, sob on the Egyptian border, be seen to be doing something, drape the world in keffiyehs!!! Now the line is 'whatever, there are already sanctions, leave them to it'. I mean, really?

@ReturnOfTheToad I'm not clear who the 1 million dead children you are talking about are?

I don't know what news sources you are using to come up with 8 dead children in Iran but its obviously more than that, though impossible to verify precisely.

Greta makes it her business to tell other people what they should be doing on the issues that interest her so she can hardly complain now about people questioning why she has nothing to say about what is happening in Iran.

If you don’t want to be judged don’t make a career out of judging others, that would be my advice to her. Though she probably doesn’t care what people think as she is insufferably complacent & entitled in being right about everything.

Definitely.

They weren’t antisemitic they were humanitarian… until they didn’t care about Iran so what was left?

Its almost as if ‘free Palestine’ become a trend that everyone had to be a part of but not actually understanding the nuances behind it

if they did, those same people should be screaming from the rooftops for the Iranians people. 43,000 people reported dead now and not a single peep out of these so called humanitarians.

iranian people have had more support from the palenstian people than the ones supporting them.

everyone is just defeated at the moment.

The silence from activists like Greta is disturbing.

Yes I agree. However afaik she doesn’t have a job so presumably someone or a charity or NGO is paying her for her activism and tells her she can only speak out on ‘approved’ causes.
It’s really grim.

The International Centre for Human Rights based in Canada says 43,000 Killed and thousands more blinded and injured. There are multiple reports of security services deliberately blinding people. I don't know much about this organisation but they are being cited by a lot of Iranian sources. https://share.google/GFjHOgetB6rw99Zic

Iran: Mass Violent Arrests, Forced Confessions, Lawyers Blocked, Escalating Risk of Executions of Protesters - Center for Human Rights in Iran https://share.google/l8QIY8Y8DYkIIA8No

This organisation points to mass arrests and arbitrary detention of children.

Among its demands CHRI calls on governments worldwide to:

• Recall ambassadors and sever or downgrade diplomatic relations with the Islamic Republic.
• Work with tech companies to immediately employ all available technologies to enable safe, free internet access across Iran so the regime’s full atrocities are uncovered.
• Vigorously enhance enforcement of oil sanctions to stem the flow of revenue to the regime’s repressive apparatus.

Others demand the proscription of IRGC. You dont have to go on a march, but you can write to your MP.

I wonder after the horror of Iran if many of the less ideological pro pallys are regretting their stance? How many students are starting to finally use their critical faculties when viewing the world and putting their flags and scarves into the recycling ? Maybe some are waking up to the fact Iran and their proxy Hamas aren't fluffy nice old men with beards?

To my mind if students are still protesting about Palestine without fellow regard to the poor people of Iran this is simply revealing anti semtism. There was a great quite by JK Rowling that summed this up.

When we don't hear Gary Lineker and the like speak up about Iran we see who he is and that isn't great......

Good point about writing to our MPs @SharonEllis. No doubt they will toe the party line , whatever that is, (mine is Labour) and metaphorically wring their hands but it takes no time for us to write.

And shame on you @ReturnOfTheToad for feeling exhausted that Greta and all others who protested for Palestinians are being called out for not having spoken up for the thousands of Iranians being butchered by their own government. We see you.

They do take notice of the 'weight of the post bag', to some extent. Its worth doing I think. Especially as the government has been resisting taking more measures.

What’s the right wing papers stance on this? Back a few years ago I used to get the DM (yes I know shame on me, I don’t get it now!). They always used to report though somewhat salaciously on executions happening in countries/with regimes that they didn’t approve of, eg in China drug barons being shot in the head in a football stadium or Iraq, rapists/murderers being hung by cranes. It was good in a way though because at least it brought these crimes to the vast majority of British people even though these same people were hypocrites though spouting anti asylum seeker/immigration/migration trope.

Thanks for this, it’s good to have what can / should happen next list

I’m finding it very strange how people are thinking that because Iran is violently suppressing an uprising, it makes what has been happening to the Palestinians for decades somehow morally acceptable. I believe that the humanitarian rhetoric concerning the fate of the Iranian people is disingenuous, masking an actual agenda to install a comprador leader on the Iranian people.

'I believe that the humanitarian rhetoric concerning the fate of the Iranian people is disingenuous, masking an actual agenda to install a comprador leader on the Iranian people.'

Believe what you want. It doesn't make it true.

So you keep saying.

Not one person has said, or even implied that 'because Iran is violently suppressing an uprising, it makes what has been happening to the Palestinians for decades somehow morally acceptable.' I for one think that the way the Iranian regime has backed repressive Islamist terrorists that have oppressed the Palestinian people and carried out terrorist campaigns against Israelis and Palestinians is reprehensible.

So do you agree that the way the Palestinians have been treated for decades is not morally acceptable.

How could anyone answer such a ridiculously generalised over simplified question?

Why are you bringing in the Palestinians @RedSongBird?
What is it with those desperate attempts to deflect attention from the fact that thousands of people have been slaughtered by the regime in Iran in a matter of days?