Anti semitism - Bondi beach - when will it stop?

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Thoughts and prayers to those killed and injured in Australia.

But the thread is in CITME and some of the first posts linked it to events in Israel?

That's CITME for you. It's a hotbed of antisemitism.

Nothing excuses this terrible act. But separately, Israel is being vilified for very good reasons related to its actions in Gaza, (since you have raised the subject of Israel).

It was the OP and Twiglets, who linked the Bondi Beach massacre to events in Gaza.

A poster who challenged that connection here was accused of disrespecting the Jewish victims.

Who exactly are you accusing of anti-semitism? That is a very inflammatory claim. Can you back it up with examples of anti-semitism on this thread please?

Unfortunately, Palestinians in the US have been linked to Hamas although not being present at the time of the attacks etc. They've had visas removed and been attacked.

The simple fact is that all wars have repercussions on the guilty and innocent, as well as those upon in the affected region, and those abroad.

I was referring to the CITME board, as was quite clear in my post.

When you say “all excellent reasons not to start a war”, who are you talking to? The children lying under the rubble of collapsed buildings? Their mothers? Their fathers? Or Hamas?

Do you apply the same logic to the Irgun militia when they blew up the King David hotel? Supposing that, when the Zionist militias killed British personnel during the mandate, the British had responded with the same force that Israel has, killing thousands of recently immigrated Jews? Would you say so casually to those refugees “all excellent reasons not to start a war?”

And withdrew 20 years ago? Really? Does withdrawing illegal settlements but retaining control over air, sea, water and electricity really constitute withdrawal?

@SameOldHill I guess you think that the constant threat of rockets, bombs on buses, suicide bombers that Israelis faced on a daily basis pre 7 October culminating in the massacre and kidnapping of hundreds of people (most of whom were young enjoying a music festival) was ok then.
Gaza was flooded with millions of $$$ in aid after Hamas was elected in 2006 and it was used to build underground tunnels traversing the whole of Gaza where rockets and ammunition were stored, instead of being used for the well being of civilian Palestinians.
It seems that the blockade you refer to wasn't effective at all.

You were responding to the presence of this thread in CITME

Excuse me, but you need to take that back. You guess I think it’s ok?! You are accusing me of thinking that the kidnap and massacre of innocent civilians is ok?

If I condemn the killing of innocents on one side does that mean I have to support it on the other? What kind of warped tribalism is that?

I stated that the CITME board was a hotbed of antisemitism. I was not referring to antisemitism on this particular thread even though it is on the CITME board. It's not up to me to give you examples of antisemitism, there have been far too many since 7 October 23.

ISIS has caused no end of pain and death to people in their way, plus the destruction of ancient monuments in Iraq, Syria, Chad, Mali, Niger, as well as parts of Sudan, Libya and Algeria.

ISIS is an extreme form of Islam formed in their tiny cult-like minds, it is anti-everything. It is being used to destabilise nations and creating insecurity. Most Muslims do not recognise or understand their specific doctrine, it is not normal Islam. Which is why they have to radicalise vulnerable or angry people to join them or act on their behalf.

If the US and the UK had not invaded Iraq for 'regime change' and removing Saddam Hussain, ISIS would never have happened.

Yes, Saddam Hussain was mean to his people and the Kurds, but he kept these type of cults in check. The US hasn't invaded North Korea, Bahrain or Equatorial Guinea to help their people.

The West's lack of cultural understanding of this region, meant changing the status quo in Iraq, turned a 2nd world developed country into a 3rd world one and war-torn one. As a result, sending waves of insecurity all across the Middle East, further into Africa and parts of Asia.

The point of this is to show that ISIS is not anti-semitic per se, but anti-West. Of course, they hate Christians, any other religions, Liberal Muslims and those of no faith too.

Sorry but many in power have drawn links between pro Palestinian protest, anti dentist and the horrific events in Bondi.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-makes-first-arrests-for-globalize-the-intifada-chants-in-shift-spurred-by-bondi-attack/

I hope the UK is not the last to start a crackdown on hate fuellled mass protest that only inflames those who wish to harm Jews.

As I said at the beginning can we stop the anti semitism.

700,000 settlers living in the West Bank, by dispossessing Palestinians, often through murder and beatings, is not a "Very small part of the story" it flames the protests and like Gaza feeds the anti Israeli narrative.

Its also internationally, illegal.

Then we have the deaths of around 70k Gazans, yes many will be Hamas but the majority are nothing to do with Terrorism.

But your post does show the utter contempt the pro Israeli lobby have towards the Palestinians.

@SameOldHill Israel was in Gaza post 1967 as a result of yet another war fomented against it by its enemies in another attempt to wipe it out.

It’s a tragedy that civilians have died in such horrific numbers in Gaza but that was Hamas’s strategy and ultimate aim in starting the war. Again, what a tragedy that Egypt refused to open its border to the Gazans.

So Egypt should be party to the expulsion of 2m Gazans? who would never be allowed back in.

How about the IDF not bomb refugee camps, schools, hospitals & cafes were journalists meet?

Yet again the apologists for the Israelis actions show scant regard for Palestinian lives and blame everyone else.

How about Hamas don’t embed its military operations in civilian targets?.

Yes of course Egypt and other Muslim countries should have opened their doors to the Gazans, just like so many countries have and do to refugees in times of war. The Jews know more than anyone about fleeing, they’ve had to do it for thousands of years.

Who is saying they do??

The IDF have claimed many things and offered zero evidence and when they have given evidence, it later turns out it was false.

Also, even if Hamas do, that is no excuse to kill 100s of people in one action to take out 1 Hamas terrorist.

Would you support Russia destroying a tower block filled with civilians because 3 Ukrainian soldiers were in the basement?

Jews were given sanctuary from the Nazis because the Nazis were exterminating them..... are you drawing some equivalence here??

Actually it was only in a relatively few cases that Jews were given sanctuary from the Nazis, to the eternal shame of the west. Sadly anti semitism has been with us for over 2000 years during which Jews have had to flee from over 100 countries.

I’m not Jewish but the thing I admire most about them is the way they adapt to their new countries in a constructive and positive way. Look at the Jewish Ukrainian family who were lucky enough to move to Australia and called their daughter “Matilda”.

The evidence of the booby trapped buildings by Hamas combined with their disgusting use as civilians as human shields is well documented.

Same. I’m not Jewish but I can see the positive contributions and generally how much people bring and no threats, no violence.

The images from Bondi are heartbreaking. And I learned of Sofia and Boris who died trying to stop the shooter.

Not denying any of that but its not relevant to the situation in Gaza or the West Bank.

Hamas are evil, i would never dispute that and so are the perpetrators of antisemitism, however, that is not an excuse to wipe out entire generations of Gazan families with no affiliation to Hamas.

We all have enormous sympathy for the Bondi victims, we should also have the same for people like this but we do not.

www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/18/family-killed-israeli-strike-gaza

@Southernecho I think we all have huge sympathy for this family and the many like them. I just wish the focus of protests when it comes to Gaza was on removing the Gazans from the yoke of a death cult which has brought so much death, misery and destruction to them.

That’s precisely what the marches are about.

@Southernecho if that’s precisely what the marches are about why is there so much anti Israel iconography involved and so little anti - Hamas?