Anti semitism - Bondi beach - when will it stop?

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Thoughts and prayers to those killed and injured in Australia.

Wow ok. I’ll leave you to it. You seem quite aggressive considering. Have a nice day

Antisemitism seems to have existed forever, there’s long been the conflicts with certain parts of the Muslim faith but equally targeted by the extreme right , sadly hard to envisage it ever stopping

When was the last time the extreme right massacred Jewish people? (Yes, i know).
In recent history it's only ever parts of the Muslim faith.

Well, Hamas is considered, politically, a right wing organisation

Thats why I said PEACEFUL protests, the examples given there are not.
My point was that is IS possible to be horrified by events in Gaza and express that in a legal and non inflammatory way while also condemning Anti Semitism at the same time

Yes it’s possible. Not all protests turn out to be peaceful but yes, some do.

I hope that people who attend peaceful protests call out violent slogans or placards if they see/hear them. But it seems very often they don’t as with Glastonbury which is a peaceful event.

Is 80 years really so long ago it doesn’t matter anymore, struggle to understand your comment. They may not massacre Jewish people anymore but there are countless cases of members of the far right expressing extreme antisemetic views

In the west it seems that Hamas is supported ( tacitly or otherwise) by the left

Are they? or are you conflating support for a Palestinian state, with "support for Hamas"

People like Corbyn, aren't representative of the 'left, anymore than Tommy Robinson is representative of the 'right.

Unfortunately, the 'right will use whatever they can to rubbish the 'left.

Starmer and all other European leaders who are deemed 'left, have utterly condemned anti semitic attacks.

Remember also, it is Reform, the AFD and others who want to deport migrants, inc those already with residency, that will inc Jews.

By “support for Hamas” I mean anyone who chants “Globalise the intifada” , Death to the IDF , rips hostage posters off walls etc etc
By “tacit support for Hamas” I mean anyone who marches silently alongside people making those chants or doing those things.
It seems to me that the left are too tolerant of pro Hamas propaganda.

One of the victims was a Holocaust survivor.

Imagine surviving the holocaust and then dying being shot in another ‘random’ antisemitic attack. If the fact 1 person can experience 2 attacks (and I read somewhere another person who was unharmed but at the beach, also escaped Oct 7) then it shows just how at risk Jews are

To explain my comment: 80 years is 2 generations ago. Of course it still matters, but not in terms of where the risk to Jews comes from and what governments should focus on in reducing that risk.

In our times, it is Islamic extremists killing Jews, not the far right. The far right expresses extreme antisemitic views, sure. Get back to me when they actually kill some Jews, firebomb a synagogue, target a Jewish primary school. It's all Islamic extremists (not ordinary Muslims, to spell it out).

I would say Islamic extremists are far right-extreme conservative religion based politics always is isn’t it? Just because Muslims aren’t traditionally far right by what it is defined as in the uk doesn’t mean that’s not what they are

I think the old left/ right labels need to be looked at as they no longer serve a purpose.
Most of the marchers on a pro Palestinian events, chanting slogans in support of Hamas, seem to identify as left wing .

Its a tired argument, the original "protests" happened under the Tories, who introduced no restrictions at all.

Labour have banned Palestinian Action and under great pressure to repeal the law, have continued to ban the organisation.

A some well meaning but naïve protestors do not represent the 'left plus many of these protestors aren't left leaning at all, they are marching on a freedom of speech platform.

Yes there is that connection.

There’s loads of evidence of antisemitism on the left and in left leaning pro Palestinian events .

And lots of evidence that the conflict in the Middle East has allowed that antisemitism to come out into the open
https://forward.com/opinion/588680/hamas-pro-palestinian-activism-left/

https://www.cis.org.au/publication/reframing-an-ancient-hatred-the-intersection-of-left-wing-antisemitism-and-anti-zionism/

I think we are at cross purposes here.

I am not saying that antisemitism doesn't exist on the left, it clearly does, as it also exists on the right.

Antisemitism is a key component of extremism, right or left.

But what does appear to be happening is the right are weaponising it, portraying the issue as a left wing only problem.

Quite clever really.

A study by Kings College shows that antisemitism is wide spread.

Whether we look at the left or the right of the political spectrum, we find people who are antisemitic and people who aren’t. Our findings help us to get beyond the question of whether antisemitism is more of a problem on the right or on the left. What we found is that antisemitic views are more likely among conspiracy theorists, revolutionaries, and people who see dictatorship as an acceptable form of government.

Dr Daniel Allington, Department of Digital Humanities

October 27th 2018,Pittsburgh, 11 dead, April 27 California, 1 dead, both attacks attributed to far right extremism , you might want to make sure you know exactly what you are talking about before completely dismissing the far right threat, even if the actual deaths have been in the US and not elsewhere in the west

Yes the far right have killed a UK MP and continue to dish out extremely violent threats that the security forces take very seriously, so seriously, that female left of centre MPs have had to have panic rooms installed.

Its all extremist, to try and pretend otherwise is either foolish or there is an agenda.

Agree completely that the far right is very dangerous and presents a threat .
But this thread is about antisemitism . My point is that the rise in anti semitism seems to be mainly on the far left .
That is not to say the far right isn’t antisemitic but I don’t think - at this time - it presents the same level of threat to Jewish communities as the far left

I don’t think it’s foolish to point the current link between the far left and antisemitism. In fact I think anyone who denies the link must be foolish or have an agenda.

2018? Not to diminish these deaths but TWO incidents seven years ago is not exactly a common occurrence, unlike attacks by Islamic extremists.
Why do people not want to face the fact of this problem? Is it too scary? Are they afraid of being called bigoted?

For god’s sake can we just unite and say it’s awful? It’s all awful. Whether it’s driven by antisemitism or Islamophobia or any hatred of anyone’s religion, nationality or sex, it’s all just evil and we shouldn’t weaponise the actions of extreme members of one group against another.

No one should be attacked for belonging to a group whose extremists are committing atrocities, whether it’s killing innocent civilians in Gaza for the actions of Hamas, or killing innocent Israelis for the actions of their government, or killing people who are merely celebrating their religion on a beach.

We may have wildly different viewpoints about how to achieve peace in the ME, or who is to blame, and I disagree with the OP on many things but I’m sure we can agree that no person should suffer for simply being born into a certain group.