Anti semitism - Bondi beach - when will it stop?

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Thoughts and prayers to those killed and injured in Australia.

It’s hard to respond to this because both this and your response to the poster above bear little relation to the post. You’re clearly very passionate and firmly believe you are correct so there seems little point in discussing.

It’ll never stop. As sure as day follows night, online nutters are saying they were IDF in disguise. It never ends, their madness knows no bounds.

It will only stop unfortunately when people learn to live side by side without prejudice, animosity or believing they are better. Also when nation states all separate personal beliefs from politics. A tall order. Much of the antisemitism today is rooted in what is happening in Israel and occupied territories, the imbalance of power etc. Regarding the situation in Israel, it’s terribly complicated and neither side are “right”, atrocities on both sides going back in time, precedes the creation of the Israeli state even the Second World War. Persecution and hatred is never right but understanding the origins does allow you to understand the what’s, the why’s and so on

Anti semitism is the default thoughout history.

What a man!

So much courage and bravery and a fantastic advertisement for peaceful Islam.

My prays are with the victims and their families.

As for anyone trying to link to events in Gaza or elsewhere, there is no justification, none at all, Jews have been attacked since time began, long before Israel ever existed & in recent times, carried out by the extreme right, often in the name (some branches) of Christianity!

The Bondi beach attack is another evil antisemitic crime & 100% agree with @Itsmetheflamingo

So a potential link to Hezbollah.... who are a proxy for Iran....who support armed groups in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, Pakistan....have had sleeper cells arrested in the UK ....are encouraging terrorists in various countries ....have repeatedly expressed their wish for the destruction of Israel in words and actions...are allies of Putin's Russia....are stirring up various conflicts in the middle east.

I completely agree with your praise for the man who so heroically did the right thing. The fact that he is Muslim is poignant and helps to highlight the fact that the extremists do not represent Muslims everywhere.

I disagree with your second point. Of course the attack is linked to the increase of antisemitism in recent months. It is true that anti semitism has always existed but the facts show a shocking increase in the incidence of hate attacks against Jews. Such acts are fuelled by Iranian backed terrorist propaganda which has come out of the conflict in the Middle East

There is some justification as it is factual that there has been a rise in antisemitism around the world since 7/10 although I agree of course that antisemitism also existed before then.

Taking Australia as an example, the Guardian noted in an article yesterday that Australia recorded 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in year to September 2025 – three times higher than any annual total before the Gaza war.

The article points out that while antisemitism was already widely prevalent before the bloody conflict in Gaza ... there is no doubt that such trends were intensified dramatically by the conflict in the Middle East.

In the US, the Anti-Defamation League reported 9,354 antisemitic incidents in 2024, the highest since its records began in 1979. For the first time, a majority “contained elements related to Israel or Zionism”.

The Community Safety Trust recorded 4,296 instances of anti-Jewish hate across the UK in 2023 – double the previous year – and the most ever documented. There were 3,528 in 2024, the second-highest annual total.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/14/the-inevitable-has-happened-bondi-beach-attack-follows-rise-in-antisemitic-incidents

I think it’s important that we don’t turn a blind eye to the link between the conflict in Gaza - the subsequent increase in anti Jewish and anti Zionist rhetoric and the increase in violence against Jews across the world

I didn't make myself v clear.... need another coffee!

I didn't intend to say that Gaza etc hasn't had a causal effect, its that no actions anywhere, can be a justification & that mankind will always find an excuse to attack Jews.

A pp linked to Russia/Putin, a so called Christian country, he has also carried out his brutal attacked in Ukraine under the full support of the Russian Orthodox Church

For those who don’t see why this thread should be in CITME
@alittlechildish
Quoting from
this article
“Sunday's shootings were the most serious in a string of antisemitic attacks on synagogues, buildings and cars in Australia since the beginning of Israel's war in Gaza in October 2023.
In August, Australia accused Iran of directing at least two antisemitic attacks and gave Tehran's ambassador a week to leave the country.”

https://apple.news/AW9DilVRpCIDUgjGDrV-Q

https://apple.news/AW9DilVRpCIDUgjGDrV-Q

It’s terrible. Australia responding by reviewing gun laws seems a sensible response. Netanyahu’s response is ridiculous in my opinion, the idea that recognising Palestinian state led to increased antisemitism is unhelpful. We all need to find ways to increase tolerance rather than reduce it.

I agree and hope some good comes out of this attack if Australia do tighten up their gun laws.

I moan about the UK as much as anyone else but one thing we do get right is our strict laws around guns.

The regions that constitute Russia are a mix of Christian, Islamic and other traditions. Communists were quite wary of the competing power structures of organised religion but found a way to utilise it's influence. How does a mere president or king compete with (the interpretation of) god's word? Past leaders have claimed divinity, or divine choice to get round this, Henry VIII made himself head of the church in his country...which was 'controversial', as most religious schisms are. In Russia, apparently the KGB infiltrated the church.

Jewish people in Australia have no responsibility whatsoever for what happened in Gaza, just as Muslims in the UK have no responsibility for what Hamas did to Israel. This was an evil antisemitic attack. The posts in this thread trying to suggest some type of complicated connection between Israel’s actions in Gaza and the Bondi massacre are themselves antisemitic. The only connection between events in the middle east and the Bondi massacre is the evil hatred of Jews. It must stop. And the stupid marches must stop. And the chants ‘from the river…’ and ‘globalise the infitada’ must stop, and the romanticism of and support for terrorist groups such as Palestine Action must stop, and we as the West must do more to call out the antisemitism in our own backyard.

I agree with nearly everything you’ve said .
But I think do think there is a clear connection between calls to “Globalise the intifada” and the increase in anti semitic attacks.

It seems that some people chanting Globalise the Intifada have no idea what they are actually calling for. The same is true for those supporting the right of others to chant it. Like you, I do see a connection between violent rhetoric & violent actions. But also like you, I agree with nearly everything in the post by @StarlightRobot

That is your choice. It isn't mine even though I am not a religious Jew. In any case, none of the Jews killed at Bondi were anywhere near a synagogue! It was an open air Chanukah festival where all were welcomed whatever their religion.

Didn’t you hear about the attack at the synagogue? Let’s not minimise people’s feelings on this

Just to be clear, it is this type of equivalence from @gogomomo2 that I find offensive and antisemitic:

’Persecution and hatred is never right but understanding the origins does allow you to understand the what’s, the why’s and so on’

There is no room for the ‘but’ in this sentence. The post suggests there is some type of logic other than hatred of Jews which we should consider in the context of these men murdering Australian Jews on the beach. There is not. Any person who thinks it is necessary to understand the history of Palestine to explain the murder of Australian Jews is wrong. It is not necessary to understand Middle Eastern history to understand irrational evil hatred of Jews in a completely different part of the world. Enough hand wringing and equivalence. Murder is evil and wrong. This murder was antisemitic and that is not hard to understand nor is it complicated.

This incident was horrifc and cannot be justified at all, my thoughts are with those affected
I am not sure that peaceful protests about the genocide in Gaza can be blamed for it though

The problem is not all protests are peaceful and some protesters do call for violent actions like death to the IDF or Globalise the Intifada.

The point has been made ( not by me before) that the UK wouldn’t tolerate protests calling for death to British soldiers. And British soldiers have chosen to join the military whereas in Israel most young people have to because of national service.

But the chanting of violent antisemitic slogans, calls to "globalise the intifada", and the carrying of Isis flags at those "peaceful protests" 😆😆😆 has a fair bit to do with this shooting. Mainstream ordinary Australians think so too.
I'm a Labor (au) member but the government needs to stop pandering to the far left on this issue.

Also to clarify- I completely agree that the antisemitism that has been growing internationally following the Hamas attack and Israel’s response in Palestine has fed hatred of Jews and that may well have encouraged these killers. But what I react to is the hint from posters that the Australian Jews have anything to do with what is happening in the Middle East, or the suggestion that there is some complex political logic behind these murders- the murderous actions are caused by antisemitic hate, by people who hate Jews so much that they kill a bunch of Aussies on the beach, including a little girl. It’s disgusting

FFS of course I know about the Manchester synagogue atrocity!
I'm not minimising people's feelings at all, just pointing to the fact that atrocities take place wherever terrorists decide to attack. Not all Jews attend synagogue. Many of us lead lives that don't involve a synagogue at all but we are still at risk wherever we go if we wear anything that identifies us as being Jewish. The pp might just as well never leave home for fear of attack!
Personally I could never hide my Jewishness away. My mother was a child in Germany 100 years ago and, while never going to synagogue when she became British, she wore her Star of David proudly as do I.