IDF uncovers ‘complex’ 4.3-mile Hamas tunnel network in Gaza’s south

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The IDF said on Thursday it had uncovered one of the largest and most complex Hamas tunnel networks found so far in Gaza, a route stretching more than 4.3 miles and descending roughly 82 feet. A video of the tunnel is available to watch on X and on various websites including JNS in the link below.

The underground route, which the military said ran under “a densely populated Rafah neighborhood and through an UNRWA compound, mosques, clinics, kindergartens and schools,” included 80 hideouts.

Defence Minister Israel Katz tweeted on Thursday, “This is the tunnel where Lt. Hadar Goldin was held. More than 8 kilometers and 80 (!) bedrooms.

“We must destroy the underground terror city that Hamas built in Gaza. The IDF is working non-stop to carry out the mission,” continued Katz, who added, “Until the last tunnel.”

“The major challenge for Israel after the [first] stage of returning the hostages will be the destruction of all of Hamas’s terror tunnels in Gaza, both directly by the IDF and through the international mechanism that will be established under U.S. leadership and oversight,” Katz tweeted.

“This is the primary meaning of implementing the agreed principle of demilitarizing the Gaza Strip and disarming Hamas,” wrote the defence minister. “I have instructed the IDF to prepare to carry out the mission.”

www.jns.org/idf-uncovers-complex-4-3-mile-hamas-tunnel-network-in-gazas-south/

Your posts seem to be suggesting tunnels were for citizens. Can you clarify whether you do mean that?

The problem with all of this positioning is that most British people are well aware that similar descriptors would have been used for the French resistance in the Second World War for example.

The bottom line for most people in the world is that Israel is not best placed to do any policing or controlling of anything in Gaza. I think most people would go further than that and suggest they need to be carefully supervised themselves as they have proven themselves to be unacceptable on every level as demonstrated by the bombing of tens of thousands of civilians, hospitals and schools and the blockading of food and medical supplies.

Enough is enough.

Hamas are nothing like the French resistance! What an insult to those brave men and women.

A bit of sneaky holocaust inversion. If hamas are like the french resistance then......

Blatant.

So again, you have no solution as to who should decommission the tunnels.

As I said upthread, underground facilities are commonplace in many countries (including the UK). Blowing them up isn’t something most countries consider reasonable.
IF any did need to be demolished or refurbished (as presumably given the last few years bombardment they may structurally unsafe) I would say Israel was uniquely UNsuited to the job given their demonstrated lack of care for the Palestinian people.
I did dredge up a list of several other situations where a subjugated population resisted though frankly in the uk the French resistance is the most immediate, and then I thought you were probably of an age and demographic that knows that and endless examinations les is unlikely to help discussion.

Yes we do have a London Underground in the UK.

In your mind is that the sort of thing you compare the Hamas tunnels to? Something built for the benefit of civilians and possible to double up as a shelter in wartime?

Which descriptor should be used for Hamas? Do you have an issue with the term terrorists for them?

Far more monstrous than “terrorist”, imo.

No you don't get to pretend that an offensive terror network, designed and built by terrorists for the express purpose of destroying Israel is comparable to the feat of civilian engineering that is the London underground.

They are certainly not commonplace - in fact give me one comparable example in a democratic country?

I am not the one that keeps talking about blowing them up. There are various ways to decommission them.

You say IF they need to be demolished or refurbished. What do you mean IF? Anyone who does not support Hamas knows they of course have to be rendered unuseable. Only a supporter of Hamas would consider 'refurbishment'.

So all we know is that you are equivocating over whether Hamas's terror infrstructure should be rendered unuseable and if perhaps it did that Israel can't do it but still no suggestion as to who could.

The tunnels under London (and in other places in the uk and many countries in the world) are not limited to the subways. You keep making sweeping statements that they don’t exist when they patently do. Some are ancient and some more recent and still more are actively in use. I don’t think they do need to be destroyed at all. One of the ideas that Israelis are going to have to get their heads around is that the rest of the world do not think they have the right to dictate what happens in Palestine. Palestine will be free and may have schools and hospitals and universities and borders and its own future. We have seen what you do to them when you are given the freedom to do so and most of us are sickened. It’s time for Hamas and Netanyahu and his war mongering murderous supporters to be rendered impotent and face the consequences of their actions.

🤣In what way am I deluded about “the London Underground”. I didn’t bring it up at all?

Can't be bothered to explain the multiple things wrong with your comments about the London underground & other things.

I have been very clear I wasn’t talking about subways? Can you read? You are aware of underground military facilities surely?

How insulting to the French resistance. They were nothing like Hamas. Interesting that no-one wants to give hamas fighters sanctuary as part of the peace plan! Perhaps the various counties asked to give them sanctuary know what they are, unlike some posters on here! In case you need reminding 🙄they are raping, torturing, kidnapping, murderous scum that no country wants. Again, nothing like the French resistance. You insult their memories. Disgusting comparison.

And I asked you for a comparable military network of tunnels in a democratic country so please tell us more if you are arguing that there is such a network in the UK.

there are lots of places with underground military facilities London and Wiltshire in the uk (plus many others) some disused and some in use. In the United States (oak ridge, Tennessee is the one that jumps to mind. In China (Beijing) and Turkey, and I’m sure many many more. Google if you are interested. Lots of these places have portions (no longer used) that are open to the public.
I think possibly you just didn’t know, but did you really imagine that government and military leaders are just sat in the open during hostilities?

Oh my word, how ridiculous, this is a joke now, right? Are you honestly suggesting Hamas's tunnels are 'refurbished' (your word) and opened to the public?
Yes we all know countries have subterranean military facilities but the facilities you mention in the UK are not in any way comparable to the tunnel system created by Hamas which is over 350 miles long and designed to facilitate attacking another country. The Burlington bunker is hardly the same is it? The UK government and its intentions are in no way comparable to Hamas. And no China is not a democratic country.

We have seen what you do to them when you are given the freedom to do so and most of us are sickened.

Who is this directed to? What has anyone on this thread done to Palestinians?

@TomeTome whose ‘we’? And who have you given freedom to? I am a bit confused by your post.

What the jeff is “bing”? Why would Norway be an odd comparison? Should we do Sudan instead, as a per capita GDP measure and then see how many hospitals there are available to folks? Think Gaza would still come out pretty high to be honest. I live in Norway and know therefore that your numbers are off. Seems you are confusing “clinics” with GP surgeries and out
of hours clinics that are named in Norwegian as “emergency rooms” (Legevakt). They really are not as those not connected to one of the 27 hospitals just have a GP and a nurse in it. No diagnostics, no ability to do surgery. My husbands a GP in Norway and does a rota at one of those. The UK should get some as that would offload actual A&Ez but anyway - Gaza had 36 actual hospitals in the way a hospital is meant, e.g operating theatre and specialist departments. Norway has 27 of that kind.

So in summation some pro Israeli posters feel the IDF should destroy 4.3 miles of tunnels in south Gaza and really don’t like hearing that not everyone agrees. It’s unfathomable to them that anyone could disagree or think it’s a terrible idea.

4.3 miles? There are well over 300 miles of tunnels in Gaza. Noone has given any plausible reason why the tunnels should not be made unuseable despite your various attempts to suggest that the way Hamas has operated for the last 20 odd years, including its building and using of tunnels is entirely legitimate and normal. Of course any normal person does not agree.