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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel still bombing despite ceasefire

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Everexpanding · 20/11/2025 17:13

Officials at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis said they received the bodies of 17 people, including five women and five children, after four Israeli airstrikes targeted tents sheltering displaced people. In Gaza City, medical officials said two airstrikes killed 16 people, including seven children and three women

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/20/israeli-airstrikes-gaza-ceasefire-khan-younis

Israeli airstrikes kill 33 people in Gaza in escalation of post-ceasefire attacks

Medical officials say 17 people killed in Khan Younis area and 16 in strikes on Gaza City

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/20/israeli-airstrikes-gaza-ceasefire-khan-younis

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CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 21:23

Rocknrollstar · 20/11/2025 21:04

There was a terrorist attack In Israel yesterday, people died. Unfortunately such incidents never get reported. You are only reading a one sided account of what is going on.

Have you got a link to that? I can only see that there was an attack in the West Bank, which is Palestine, where one Israeli was killed. Nothing about an attack in Israel.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:25

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 21:20

No, not offended I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from Twiglets. I'm sad that many people were killed and many more injured because a few shots that didn't even hurt anyone were fired. It seems wildly disproportionate and cruel, such a disregard for people lives. Instead of Israel thanking their lucky stars that no one was hurt they set out to make sure lots of people, including small children were.

Well you've mentioned it twice in a way that suggests you think the retaliation was wrong (wildly disproportionate as you say above) because 0 IDF soldiers were killed.

But the intent was to kill the IDF so it's irrelevant really that the militants were not successful in their goal.

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 21:30

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:25

Well you've mentioned it twice in a way that suggests you think the retaliation was wrong (wildly disproportionate as you say above) because 0 IDF soldiers were killed.

But the intent was to kill the IDF so it's irrelevant really that the militants were not successful in their goal.

Yes i do think it is wrong to kill 33 people including small children and injure many more because a few shots that did no harm to anyone were fired. I don't think that that makes me an awful person.

Strange that you seem so sure that the intent of these bullets that hurt no one was to kill people when we don't even know who fired them but you don't seem to think that the intent when dropping bombs on children is to kill children.

Poinlessss · 20/11/2025 21:30

Poor babies in pain.

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 21:34

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:22

Doesn't matter if it was Hamas or another militant group ... the IDF were attacked on the yellow side of the line so a retaliation was to be expected.

Yes it does matter and as pp have pointed out, the retaliation should be proportionate and have a military gain to it. Where is the military gain to killing what is being reported as over 75% women and children in an area that was nowhere near where they were fired upon by an unknown assailant (who could have even been IDF?). You’d think they would have investigated to find out who before just bombing a bunch of tents in the humanitarian safe zone.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:44

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 21:30

Yes i do think it is wrong to kill 33 people including small children and injure many more because a few shots that did no harm to anyone were fired. I don't think that that makes me an awful person.

Strange that you seem so sure that the intent of these bullets that hurt no one was to kill people when we don't even know who fired them but you don't seem to think that the intent when dropping bombs on children is to kill children.

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You make the shots towards the IDF soldiers sound so harmless in the way that they "did no harm to anyone" like they were flowers not bullets. They were "bullets that hurt no one" but I'm sure no one would think people shooting bullets at them was harmless, regardless of whether they succeeded in killing you or not.

In their retaliation, the IDF killed 2 top Hamas guys as well as targeting Hamas infrastructure and operatives across several sites in Gaza.

They killed Abdallah Abu Shamala, head of Hamas’s Navy in Gaza, and Fadi Abu Mustafa, a senior tunnel engineer in the Khan Yunis Brigade. This was confirmed by the military in a joint statement with the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) on Thursday.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 21:55

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:44

You make the shots towards the IDF soldiers sound so harmless in the way that they "did no harm to anyone" like they were flowers not bullets. They were "bullets that hurt no one" but I'm sure no one would think people shooting bullets at them was harmless, regardless of whether they succeeded in killing you or not.

In their retaliation, the IDF killed 2 top Hamas guys as well as targeting Hamas infrastructure and operatives across several sites in Gaza.

They killed Abdallah Abu Shamala, head of Hamas’s Navy in Gaza, and Fadi Abu Mustafa, a senior tunnel engineer in the Khan Yunis Brigade. This was confirmed by the military in a joint statement with the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) on Thursday.

So 31 civilians killed to kill 2 Hamas terrorists during a ceasefire with Hamas as a result of unknown, unidentified attackers firing on an IDF position miles away. An incident in which no one in the IDF was killed or injured.

That’s a 15 to 1 ratio of civilians to combatants. It’s not proportionate. It is way way more than even other wars on terrorists embedded in a civilian population,

It’s also reckless to risk a ceasefire by assuming it was Hamas without finding out who was shooting at you in the first place.

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 22:04

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:44

You make the shots towards the IDF soldiers sound so harmless in the way that they "did no harm to anyone" like they were flowers not bullets. They were "bullets that hurt no one" but I'm sure no one would think people shooting bullets at them was harmless, regardless of whether they succeeded in killing you or not.

In their retaliation, the IDF killed 2 top Hamas guys as well as targeting Hamas infrastructure and operatives across several sites in Gaza.

They killed Abdallah Abu Shamala, head of Hamas’s Navy in Gaza, and Fadi Abu Mustafa, a senior tunnel engineer in the Khan Yunis Brigade. This was confirmed by the military in a joint statement with the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) on Thursday.

Maybe I've been reading here too long Twiglets. The 'warning shots' that are fired at Palestinians are always excused. Maybe they thought Israel were getting too close to the yellow line so were warning them back? Do you remember when Israel shot 'warning shots' at 25 diplomats in the West Bank and people here were like 'what? They were walking in the wrong direction, no harm done'. Now a few shots that also did no harm are being used to excuse the killing of women and children.

You don't find killing many women and children a wildly disproportionate retaliation to a few bullets that hurt no one. I get it. I just will never agree with you. Just like I wouldn't have agreed that killing Israeli women and children was a proportionate response to Israel 'firing bullets not flowers' around innocent diplomats.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 22:11

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 21:55

So 31 civilians killed to kill 2 Hamas terrorists during a ceasefire with Hamas as a result of unknown, unidentified attackers firing on an IDF position miles away. An incident in which no one in the IDF was killed or injured.

That’s a 15 to 1 ratio of civilians to combatants. It’s not proportionate. It is way way more than even other wars on terrorists embedded in a civilian population,

It’s also reckless to risk a ceasefire by assuming it was Hamas without finding out who was shooting at you in the first place.

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You’re another one that sounds annoyed that no one in the IDF was killed or injured.

The IDF didn’t only kill 2 Hamas terrorists but 2 have been named as they were senior members of Hamas.

They weren’t risking the ceasefire because it’s known by now that if the IDF get attacked on their side of the yellow line, there will be retaliatory fighting. It happens every time and will keep happening for as long as the IDF keep getting attacked.

The ceasefire holds which is positive.

Poinlessss · 20/11/2025 22:44

What were the children’s names that were killed today?

KoalaKoKo · 21/11/2025 01:52

We only have the IDF’s word for why they bombed tents full of women and children - where is their evidence? Why have they broken the ceasefire circa 400 times and killed over 310 people during a ceasefire? What is their excuse for all those other violations of the ceasefire? As I mentioned, in the documentary Breaking Ranks, several IDF soldiers testified that when someone wants to take out a Palestinian, bomb a protected structure or break international law they just invent a reason, a threat, and who is there to prove otherwise. Here are some quotes from IDF soldiers:

”If you want to, you can always find a reason to incriminate someone. The question is, what are your standards? How much effort does it take to incriminate a human being? If I wanted to, I could incriminate the entire Strip. Is this building too big, do you find it threatening? Go ahead, shoot."

“If you want to shoot without restraint, you can. One time, there was a building that was being used for humanitarian purposes. One of the commanders really, really wanted to target this building. But we told him very clearly, "Mate, this building is off limits." Then he fired a shell at it anyway. And he said, "I saw an anti-tank weapon aimed at me." Now go prove him wrong. Prove him wrong"

"There are certainly soldiers and officers in the IDF who really, really want to kill all the arabs. Really. That's the reason why they put on their uniforms."

"You can justify a lot in the name of destroying Hamas. You can push the red line very, very far."

”Teenagers would sometimes walk there. The company commander really wanted us to kill them. My platoon commander just told him, "No." Later, the company commander really gave it to him. There's no one above the company commander, and if he tells you to shoot, it's not like you'll be prosecuted for it."

"We fired quite a few warning shots, but we also killed at least one person."

"I didn't shoot at any unarmed Palestinians myself, but I did see it happen with my own eyes."

"I personally witnessed a relatively high-ranking officer order a tank to take down a building. The building was on the side of the line where they [Palestinians] were "allowed" to be. A man was standing on the roof, hanging laundry, and the officer decided that he was a spotter. He’s not a spotter. He’s hanging his laundry. You can see that he’s hanging laundry. Now, it’s not as if this man had binoculars or weapons. The closest military force was 600-700 metres away. So unless he had eagle eyes, how could he possibly be a spotter? And the tank fired a shell. The building half collapsed. And the result was many dead and wounded. . . . This kind of thing happened every week. And that's just my unit, there are dozens of units on the ground at any given moment."

"At the end of our deployment in the Strip, we submitted a report. The commander's summary. And it said that we "took down [killed] 112 terrorists." I can confidently say that only one of them... Only one! Was even suspected of being armed. That is, the 111 other people we killed, no one even claimed they were armed."

Twiglets1 · 21/11/2025 05:20

You say “we only have the IDFs word” for what happened but then go on to quote IDF soldiers as if you totally believe them when they are saying negative things (whistleblowing).

It proves that the you are quite determined to believe the worst of the IDF if you only
believe them on this sort of thing but not on anything else.

Poinlessss · 21/11/2025 07:30

There is no best of the idf. I don’t believe the lie that they are a moral army and that they don’t sniper children. I believe the facts and when idf soldiers whistleblow they don’t say anything new. They just confirm what aid agencies, charities and medical teams have said. The fact that they confirmed it doesn’t hold any weight. They were part of it. I hope they suffer immense mental health issues and I hope they never recover.
They have the choice to refuse service and spend a few months in jail not killing children. “Just following orders” doesn’t stand up in international court.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 21/11/2025 07:37

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:22

Doesn't matter if it was Hamas or another militant group ... the IDF were attacked on the yellow side of the line so a retaliation was to be expected.

That yellow line, that has encroached even further into Palestinian land in recent days? Never mind the “lines” in Lebanon and Syria? But it’s still not a land grab? Ok then.

Twiglets1 · 21/11/2025 07:47

Poinlessss · 21/11/2025 07:30

There is no best of the idf. I don’t believe the lie that they are a moral army and that they don’t sniper children. I believe the facts and when idf soldiers whistleblow they don’t say anything new. They just confirm what aid agencies, charities and medical teams have said. The fact that they confirmed it doesn’t hold any weight. They were part of it. I hope they suffer immense mental health issues and I hope they never recover.
They have the choice to refuse service and spend a few months in jail not killing children. “Just following orders” doesn’t stand up in international court.

Every ill that you wish upon IDF soldiers I wish the same on Hamas and their supporters.

Twiglets1 · 21/11/2025 07:49

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 21/11/2025 07:37

That yellow line, that has encroached even further into Palestinian land in recent days? Never mind the “lines” in Lebanon and Syria? But it’s still not a land grab? Ok then.

That yellow line that has allegedly encroached further into Palestinian land.

It will be a "land grab" if it becomes permanent.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 21/11/2025 08:03

Twiglets1 · 21/11/2025 07:49

That yellow line that has allegedly encroached further into Palestinian land.

It will be a "land grab" if it becomes permanent.

And Lebanon and Syria?

Twiglets1 · 21/11/2025 08:06

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 21/11/2025 08:03

And Lebanon and Syria?

This discussion is not about Lebanon and Syria so I suggest you start a new thread if you want to discuss what is happening there.

This thread is about what is happening in Gaza.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 21/11/2025 08:09

Well by my last reckoning Syria and Lebanon sit clearly in the middle east. This is on the conflict in the middle east board. We are talking about lands and lines, so this comment is totally relevant to the thread.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 21/11/2025 08:11

It’s OK if you can’t refute what’s happening. Just say so.

Twiglets1 · 21/11/2025 08:14

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 21/11/2025 08:09

Well by my last reckoning Syria and Lebanon sit clearly in the middle east. This is on the conflict in the middle east board. We are talking about lands and lines, so this comment is totally relevant to the thread.

It would be the correct board for you to start a new thread about Syria & Lebanon, yes.

dairydebris · 21/11/2025 08:14

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 21:55

So 31 civilians killed to kill 2 Hamas terrorists during a ceasefire with Hamas as a result of unknown, unidentified attackers firing on an IDF position miles away. An incident in which no one in the IDF was killed or injured.

That’s a 15 to 1 ratio of civilians to combatants. It’s not proportionate. It is way way more than even other wars on terrorists embedded in a civilian population,

It’s also reckless to risk a ceasefire by assuming it was Hamas without finding out who was shooting at you in the first place.

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Its the unpalatable truth that Israel has long decided civilian death is a price they are willing to pay to get at Hamas. Hamas knows this and still doesnt separate itself from civilians. Every single member of Hamas knows theres a target on his back. What's he doing in a tent with women and children? Hamas should just give themselves up and let the coalition take over. Its going to happen anyway so why not just let it happen without more bloodshed?

Twiglets1 · 21/11/2025 08:19

dairydebris · 21/11/2025 08:14

Its the unpalatable truth that Israel has long decided civilian death is a price they are willing to pay to get at Hamas. Hamas knows this and still doesnt separate itself from civilians. Every single member of Hamas knows theres a target on his back. What's he doing in a tent with women and children? Hamas should just give themselves up and let the coalition take over. Its going to happen anyway so why not just let it happen without more bloodshed?

Exactly so.

Whether people agree with the policy or not (and I do actually agree that the civilian casualty rate is too high in Gaza) it is a reality that the Israel government seems to have made the decision that Hamas have to be destroyed at any cost to civilian life.

In any normal war, I feel like the side losing so many civilians as well as soldiers would have surrendered by now.

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Poinlessss · 21/11/2025 13:45

Poor babies pulled out of the rubble. So sad to see.

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