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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel still bombing despite ceasefire

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Everexpanding · 20/11/2025 17:13

Officials at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis said they received the bodies of 17 people, including five women and five children, after four Israeli airstrikes targeted tents sheltering displaced people. In Gaza City, medical officials said two airstrikes killed 16 people, including seven children and three women

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/20/israeli-airstrikes-gaza-ceasefire-khan-younis

Israeli airstrikes kill 33 people in Gaza in escalation of post-ceasefire attacks

Medical officials say 17 people killed in Khan Younis area and 16 in strikes on Gaza City

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/20/israeli-airstrikes-gaza-ceasefire-khan-younis

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thingsarelookingupfornigel · 20/11/2025 19:25

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 19:21

No I don't need to find a new media/bias fact checking site.

What I understand and you may not is that every news site is biased to a greater or lesser extent, but it's only those with a pro Israel bias that people like @Everexpanding always starts complaining about.

This is off that same very site Twiglets.

In review, HonestReporting reports on the news where they perceive that Israel was portrayed unfairly. Many stories are negative toward Palestine and attempt to portray Israel as a victim.

It’s about as bias in favour of Israel as you can get!

Meanwhile that aid, which is also part of the ceasefire deal is not being allowed in. The truce is not being upheld by either side.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 19:26

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 18:54

Children were killed Twiglets, Israel were aware that there were children there and they decided to kill them, according to the poster I quoted and you who seemed to agree with her they did it in 'retaliation'. It isn't anti Israel to discuss the fact that Israel are still killing children like the 2% of Gazan children that they have already killed isn't enough, they are still choosing to kill more and that's really, really sad.

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Yes children were killed.

But they wouldn't have been the target of IDF attacks as I guess we all know really.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 19:27

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 20/11/2025 19:25

This is off that same very site Twiglets.

In review, HonestReporting reports on the news where they perceive that Israel was portrayed unfairly. Many stories are negative toward Palestine and attempt to portray Israel as a victim.

It’s about as bias in favour of Israel as you can get!

Meanwhile that aid, which is also part of the ceasefire deal is not being allowed in. The truce is not being upheld by either side.

It's hard debating with you because you don't follow arguments very well yet keep repeating the same points.

Let me try again. Do you understand that all news sites are biased?

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 20/11/2025 19:36

The problem is @Twiglets1 is that you posted that article as if it was fact. It’s clearly not fact. It’s an article which has been written by Pro Israelis to pretend that they are keeping up their side of the ceasefire. They are not.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 20/11/2025 19:38

@Twiglets1 you always resort to this when you are losing. News is bias. That news is outrageously bias in the favour of Israel.

I would rather believe the EU. They have no skin in this game.

Everexpanding · 20/11/2025 19:43

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 19:19

What about every time you or @CrossChecking mention children

Well there are at least 20,000 of them

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Everexpanding · 20/11/2025 19:46

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 19:27

It's hard debating with you because you don't follow arguments very well yet keep repeating the same points.

Let me try again. Do you understand that all news sites are biased?

Not all sites are run by former members of Israeli propaganda units

”Executive Director Gil Hoffmanis a longtime journalist and former reservist with the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) Spokesperson's Unit. (In 2015, Israeli publication Haaretz dubbed the unit “the Biggest PR Firm in the Middle East” for its power in directing the press.)”

Meet the biggest PR firm in the Middle East: IDF Spokesman's Unit

Critics Charge That the IDF Spokesperson's Unit Should Stop Playing Favorites. Its Behavior During Last Summer's Gaza War Also Raises Questions About Misleading the Press.

https://www.haaretz.com/2015-01-01/ty-article/.premium/idf-the-worlds-largest-pr-agency-not-the-best/0000017f-f70f-d044-adff-f7ff515a0000

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Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 19:49

@thingsarelookingupfornigel Yes, the news is biased.

No the news isn't "outrageously" biased in favour of Israel. Some news sources are very obviously biased against Israel.

You can believe who you want to believe but while people are posting reports from sources like Al Jazeera, I will continue posting reports from sources like Times of Israel. Unless we all agree to only use the BBC for information - but even they have recently got into trouble for biased reports when they claim to be neutral.

I think it's obvious that the Guardian is biased against Israel but equally the Telegraph is biased towards Israel. It's not whether sources have a bias that matters the most (since they all do) but whether they tend to be accurate in their factual reporting.

Everexpanding · 20/11/2025 19:52

Everexpanding · 20/11/2025 19:01

Quick path to cirrhosis, oblivion or both

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Sorry @BluntPlumHam no idea why someone would report your reasonable observations or why they would be deleted although taking a shot everytime but Hamas is quoted by some would indeed be a dangerous pursuit

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Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 20:00

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 20/11/2025 19:36

The problem is @Twiglets1 is that you posted that article as if it was fact. It’s clearly not fact. It’s an article which has been written by Pro Israelis to pretend that they are keeping up their side of the ceasefire. They are not.

It's as much fact as things that are reported by Al Jazeera.

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean that it's clearly not fact.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 20/11/2025 20:04

I hope other people will see it for what it is.

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 20:10

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 19:26

Yes children were killed.

But they wouldn't have been the target of IDF attacks as I guess we all know really.

Yet they still purposefully killed them seemingly 'in retaliation' for none of their soldiers being hurt.

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 20:11

Everexpanding · 20/11/2025 19:43

Well there are at least 20,000 of them

It's a lot of children. It seems some people think we should ignore it, I wonder why?!

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 20:13

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 20:10

Yet they still purposefully killed them seemingly 'in retaliation' for none of their soldiers being hurt.

No that is anti Israel propaganda to suggest that the IDF would have purposefully targeted children. There would be no reason for them to do this.

They did go on the offensive again due to an attack on their soldiers by Hamas.

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 20:29

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 20:13

No that is anti Israel propaganda to suggest that the IDF would have purposefully targeted children. There would be no reason for them to do this.

They did go on the offensive again due to an attack on their soldiers by Hamas.

They purposefully killed them Twiglets. They knew that they were there and they killed them. That's not anti Israel propaganda it's the awful truth.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 20:34

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 20:29

They purposefully killed them Twiglets. They knew that they were there and they killed them. That's not anti Israel propaganda it's the awful truth.

I don't agree that they purposefully killed them, but it would be impossible for the IDF to kill Hamas without killing civilians because of the way they hide amongst civilians. That is a big problem for the people living in Gaza that has led to a bigger number of civilian deaths than if Hamas were a conventional army.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 20:56

I predicted this would happen. Israel’s government has adopted the illegal concept of enforcing ceasefires with fire. They did it and are still doing it in Lebanon for a year now. They have invaded and attacked Syria over 1000x and Syria has not once retaliated.

Clearly any ceasefire negotiated, Israel’s government feels that the terms agreed to are mere guidelines. They regularly violate them and then roll around screaming bloody murder whenever the other party sets so much as a toe out of line.

To be clear, I am talking about the far right wing civilian leadership of Israel as they have fired their generals, secretaries of defence- even arrested their attorney general! Any expert in Israel who knows the law of armed conflict, human rights and protests the violation of them- the war crimes- is quickly ousted. The country has gone down a very dark path and that is one of the reasons why hundreds of thousands of Israelis are emigrating out of Israel and hundreds of IDF soldiers are in Breaking Ranks and Breaking the Silence giving testimony on the war crimes they witnessed or even did.

There are good people in Israel that don’t want to be complicit. Some are fighting through protest and others are simply packing up and leaving. All love their country and are dismayed at what it has become under its current leaders.

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 21:03

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 20:34

I don't agree that they purposefully killed them, but it would be impossible for the IDF to kill Hamas without killing civilians because of the way they hide amongst civilians. That is a big problem for the people living in Gaza that has led to a bigger number of civilian deaths than if Hamas were a conventional army.

Well we will have to agree to disagree then. In my view if you drop a bomb where you know there are children and those children die then they you have purposefully killed them. They have dropped 1000s of bombs, they know in detail what bombs do to children's bodies. They fly their quadcopters over the dead and injured children after they have bombed them to take a close up look at what they have done. In my view they knew the children were there and decided that retaliation was more important than those children's lives.

33 people killed and many more injured in retaliation for 0 Israelis being hurt. That really doesn't sound proportional or ethical or anything else to me but again I'm presuming we will have to agree to disagree on that one too.

Rocknrollstar · 20/11/2025 21:04

There was a terrorist attack In Israel yesterday, people died. Unfortunately such incidents never get reported. You are only reading a one sided account of what is going on.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:11

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 21:03

Well we will have to agree to disagree then. In my view if you drop a bomb where you know there are children and those children die then they you have purposefully killed them. They have dropped 1000s of bombs, they know in detail what bombs do to children's bodies. They fly their quadcopters over the dead and injured children after they have bombed them to take a close up look at what they have done. In my view they knew the children were there and decided that retaliation was more important than those children's lives.

33 people killed and many more injured in retaliation for 0 Israelis being hurt. That really doesn't sound proportional or ethical or anything else to me but again I'm presuming we will have to agree to disagree on that one too.

You seem offended that 0 Israeli soldiers got hurt during the Hamas attack but it wasn't for lack of trying.

Yes we should agree to disagree.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 21:14

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:11

You seem offended that 0 Israeli soldiers got hurt during the Hamas attack but it wasn't for lack of trying.

Yes we should agree to disagree.

They’ve not said it was Hamas. Just that someone opened fire in their direction. There are many more armed groups in Gaza than Hamas…a few didn’t agree to the ceasefire. They don’t even know if it was friendly fire. Friendly fire has killed dozens of IDF soldiers in Gaza.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ry0skw0igl

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 21:18

Rocknrollstar · 20/11/2025 21:04

There was a terrorist attack In Israel yesterday, people died. Unfortunately such incidents never get reported. You are only reading a one sided account of what is going on.

Yes, from the West Bank and the terrorists were executed on the spot. They got the bad guys so why go after tents of displaced civilians in Gaza?

CrossChecking · 20/11/2025 21:20

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:11

You seem offended that 0 Israeli soldiers got hurt during the Hamas attack but it wasn't for lack of trying.

Yes we should agree to disagree.

No, not offended I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from Twiglets. I'm sad that many people were killed and many more injured because a few shots that didn't even hurt anyone were fired. It seems wildly disproportionate and cruel, such a disregard for people lives. Instead of Israel thanking their lucky stars that no one was hurt they set out to make sure lots of people, including small children were.

thingsarelookingupfornigel · 20/11/2025 21:20

No the news isn't "outrageously" biased in favour of Israel. Some news sources are very obviously biased against Israel

I said that news, as in the piece of news that you had posted from your website.
That news, written by a pro Israeli set up, masquerading as news.

Twiglets1 · 20/11/2025 21:22

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/11/2025 21:14

They’ve not said it was Hamas. Just that someone opened fire in their direction. There are many more armed groups in Gaza than Hamas…a few didn’t agree to the ceasefire. They don’t even know if it was friendly fire. Friendly fire has killed dozens of IDF soldiers in Gaza.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ry0skw0igl

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Doesn't matter if it was Hamas or another militant group ... the IDF were attacked on the yellow side of the line so a retaliation was to be expected.