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Conflict in the Middle East

Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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Wakeuplittlebunnies · 10/10/2025 06:50

It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

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TomeTome · 15/10/2025 18:34

@inamarina is this a quiz? Why don’t you just make the point you want to make rather than pecking at posters to say what you want them to say? Conversations flow better if you just say what you mean surely???

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 18:39

inamarina · 15/10/2025 18:28

Why was the blockade implemented then?

Security concerns don’t justify collective punishment or change the fact that the blockade has created a severe humanitarian crisis, especially for children.

inamarina · 15/10/2025 18:43

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 18:39

Security concerns don’t justify collective punishment or change the fact that the blockade has created a severe humanitarian crisis, especially for children.

A government of a country is primarily responsible for the security of their own citizens.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 18:49

inamarina · 15/10/2025 18:43

A government of a country is primarily responsible for the security of their own citizens.

Being responsible for your citizens doesn’t give you a free pass to starve, bomb, or displace.

Israel’s blockades, bombardments, and refusal to let people flee have collectively harmed civilians- especially children. Almost 70% of verified deaths in Gaza between Nov 2023–Apr 2024 were women and children. And that’s not even counting the documented cases of babies and children being shot while trying to reach food, aid, or shelter.

Deliberate or not, the result is the same- civilians have been killed on a massive scale.

HellsBalls · 15/10/2025 18:56

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 18:18

Wow. Comparing two million civilians- half of them children- to “vicious dogs” really says more about your mindset than theirs.

Dehumanisation always comes before mass killing. You might want to reflect on why you feel comfortable using that language.

You might want to consider I was talking about Hamas, rather that squealing “Outrageous!”

EasternStandard · 15/10/2025 18:58

TomeTome · 15/10/2025 18:26

A calm response to an upsetting post @Wedonttalkaboutboris well put.

I agree that it will take so many people trying for peace in such very abrasive circumstances that it is daunting. The denial of abhorrent behaviour on both sides has to stop and an almost inhuman strength drawn on. I don’t think Trump has the level of integrity needed, but if it must be him then everyone must work even harder because he isn’t known for taking the harder path.

I think it might need him actually. The proof being that it’s happening where it didn’t before.

The abruptness to get Hamas to respond and Israel to listen is there with Trump. It then takes the detailed work of all those working on it too, not least the Arab states. Qatar, Egypt etc

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 19:07

HellsBalls · 15/10/2025 18:56

You might want to consider I was talking about Hamas, rather that squealing “Outrageous!”

Unfortunately Israel don’t seem to be differentiating between Hamas and civilians

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 19:09

EasternStandard · 15/10/2025 18:58

I think it might need him actually. The proof being that it’s happening where it didn’t before.

The abruptness to get Hamas to respond and Israel to listen is there with Trump. It then takes the detailed work of all those working on it too, not least the Arab states. Qatar, Egypt etc

I’m also loathe to agree.

TomeTome · 15/10/2025 19:09

Is it happening or is it just another lull? The insistence on bodies now and the pressure Israel is trying to exert by blocking aide and borders seems as though they still believe they can commit war crimes without worrying about any consequences.

camomilelawns · 15/10/2025 19:19

At the time of writing this Hamas has returned 4 bodies, one of which isn't a hostage.

And where are the women hostages?

It seems Hamas are not sticking to the agreement.

If they don't, then in Trump's own words "All bets are off"

camomilelawns · 15/10/2025 19:22

inamarina · 15/10/2025 18:43

A government of a country is primarily responsible for the security of their own citizens.

@inamarina "A government of a country is primarily responsible for the security of their own citizens."

Hamas are derelict in that duty for not allowing people into the safety of the tunnels

SharonEllis · 15/10/2025 19:37

TomeTome · 15/10/2025 19:09

Is it happening or is it just another lull? The insistence on bodies now and the pressure Israel is trying to exert by blocking aide and borders seems as though they still believe they can commit war crimes without worrying about any consequences.

'The insistence on bodies' what do you mean by this? Are you referring to the deal whereby Hamas committed to return all the bodies of hostages they murdered to their families, 2 years after they were brutally kidnapped?

Clavinova · 15/10/2025 19:47

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 18:49

Being responsible for your citizens doesn’t give you a free pass to starve, bomb, or displace.

Israel’s blockades, bombardments, and refusal to let people flee have collectively harmed civilians- especially children. Almost 70% of verified deaths in Gaza between Nov 2023–Apr 2024 were women and children. And that’s not even counting the documented cases of babies and children being shot while trying to reach food, aid, or shelter.

Deliberate or not, the result is the same- civilians have been killed on a massive scale.

Almost 70% of verified deaths in Gaza between Nov 2023–Apr 2024 were women and children

I remember reading this update/revision in 2024;

The United Nations has revised down the figure it publishes for the proportion of women and children killed in Gaza.

On 6 May, the UN said that 69% of reported fatalities were women and children. Two days later, it said this figure was 52%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-69014893

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 15/10/2025 19:55

camomilelawns · 15/10/2025 19:19

At the time of writing this Hamas has returned 4 bodies, one of which isn't a hostage.

And where are the women hostages?

It seems Hamas are not sticking to the agreement.

If they don't, then in Trump's own words "All bets are off"

Female hostages were released a long time ago 🙄

Way to show that you haven't been following this.

camomilelawns · 15/10/2025 20:02

@Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice

" Way to show that you haven't been following this."

No need to be sarcastic when someone asks a question.

Some of us have other activities in our lives than being snippy on forums, like going to work and paying taxes.

SharonEllis · 15/10/2025 20:02

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 15/10/2025 19:55

Female hostages were released a long time ago 🙄

Way to show that you haven't been following this.

When was Inbar Hayman released?

HellsBalls · 15/10/2025 20:29

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 19:07

Unfortunately Israel don’t seem to be differentiating between Hamas and civilians

If anyone else is stupid enough to try and govern Gaza, let’s see how they get on with it.
When Hamas are dressed as civilians, and when killed are reported as being civilians, they won’t do any better.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 15/10/2025 20:37

SharonEllis · 15/10/2025 20:02

When was Inbar Hayman released?

We are talking about living hostages here. The women were released ages ago. I hope all the bodies of those who died are returned, but my priority is for the living, not the dead.

SharonEllis · 15/10/2025 20:44

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 15/10/2025 20:37

We are talking about living hostages here. The women were released ages ago. I hope all the bodies of those who died are returned, but my priority is for the living, not the dead.

Sorry, I didn't realise we were discussing your priorities.

@camomilelawns, who you were replying to, was talking about bodies.

The ceasefire agreement, and common decency, require the release of the bodies of the murdered hostages. The body of one woman has not been released.

TomeTome · 15/10/2025 20:47

SharonEllis · 15/10/2025 19:37

'The insistence on bodies' what do you mean by this? Are you referring to the deal whereby Hamas committed to return all the bodies of hostages they murdered to their families, 2 years after they were brutally kidnapped?

Yes. It seems unlikely they are all traceable to me.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 21:10

HellsBalls · 15/10/2025 20:29

If anyone else is stupid enough to try and govern Gaza, let’s see how they get on with it.
When Hamas are dressed as civilians, and when killed are reported as being civilians, they won’t do any better.

Was Amna Ashraf al-Mufti Hamas? Were the newborn babies denied formula Hamas too?

HellsBalls · 15/10/2025 21:13

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 21:10

Was Amna Ashraf al-Mufti Hamas? Were the newborn babies denied formula Hamas too?

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Yawn.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 21:18

HellsBalls · 15/10/2025 21:13

Yawn.

Tells me everything.

HellsBalls · 15/10/2025 21:24

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 15/10/2025 21:18

Tells me everything.

Like you aren’t set on repeat.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 15/10/2025 21:27

SharonEllis · 15/10/2025 20:44

Sorry, I didn't realise we were discussing your priorities.

@camomilelawns, who you were replying to, was talking about bodies.

The ceasefire agreement, and common decency, require the release of the bodies of the murdered hostages. The body of one woman has not been released.

Yes of course all the bodies that can be returned, should be returned. Likewise for the ones Israel hold (that they could return, but really are choosing not to)

But with a fragile peace, widespread malnutrition, winter setting in soon, the sick needing evacuation, and most of a population of 2 million displaced, returning of bodies from either side really shouldn't be the priority. The dead are beyond help, the living are not, so they should be the priority now.