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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump Announces initital Agreement ❤️🤞

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BelleHathor · 09/10/2025 00:03

Trump just annouced on Truth Social that a ceasefire has been reached

Praying that this os over ❤️🤞

Trump Announces initital Agreement ❤️🤞
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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/10/2025 23:58

I live in a world of stupid, detrimental flying of flags. The Israel flag is flown alongside Combat18 flags in my region.🤯

Zionism does not preclude people from being antisemitic.😕

1dayatatime · 12/10/2025 00:30

ScrollingLeaves · 11/10/2025 23:48

’Zionism’ is currently being interpreted as meaning different things by different people
so I don’t think those who say Zionism must end are all calling for an end to Israel.

This is someone writing about the question in Haaretz April 2024:
Excerpt from the article
What the hell is a Zionist?

The word is "Zionist," a flexible term that can refer to a wide range of people, behaviors and beliefs. It has been applied to fanatical Jewish supremacists, people who endorse a two-state solution, conscientious objectors to the IDF – who nonetheless condemn Hamas – and a K-pop star who held a Starbucks cup, among others. There are those who declare themselves staunch anti-Zionists because they oppose the policies of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the carnage in Gaza, but still might meet someone else's definition of Zionism if they don't believe that Israelis should be expelled from the Levant.

To clear up this confusion, I asked people on X to put a moratorium on the word for clarity's sake: When they say Zionist, are they talking about National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and his Kahanist ilk ? Are they talking about anyone who advocates for anything but the dismantling of Israel? Are they talking about Jewish people in general, who they don't like for reasons unrelated to Theodore Herzl?

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Well I could interpret the Klu Klux Klan as a self help group teaching people how to put duvets into white duvet covers. But just because it's my interpretation that doesn't make it correct.

So let's stick to the dictionary definition shall we.

According to the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, Zionism is a political movement that was originally founded to establish an independent state for Jewish people in Palestine and now supports the development and protection of the State of Israel.

TicklishMauveSquid · 12/10/2025 01:53

ScrollingLeaves · 11/10/2025 23:48

’Zionism’ is currently being interpreted as meaning different things by different people
so I don’t think those who say Zionism must end are all calling for an end to Israel.

This is someone writing about the question in Haaretz April 2024:
Excerpt from the article
What the hell is a Zionist?

The word is "Zionist," a flexible term that can refer to a wide range of people, behaviors and beliefs. It has been applied to fanatical Jewish supremacists, people who endorse a two-state solution, conscientious objectors to the IDF – who nonetheless condemn Hamas – and a K-pop star who held a Starbucks cup, among others. There are those who declare themselves staunch anti-Zionists because they oppose the policies of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the carnage in Gaza, but still might meet someone else's definition of Zionism if they don't believe that Israelis should be expelled from the Levant.

To clear up this confusion, I asked people on X to put a moratorium on the word for clarity's sake: When they say Zionist, are they talking about National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and his Kahanist ilk ? Are they talking about anyone who advocates for anything but the dismantling of Israel? Are they talking about Jewish people in general, who they don't like for reasons unrelated to Theodore Herzl?

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The guy in the video I posted from the UK stated we want to ensure ‘an end to the settler colonial, racist, apartheid regime which is Israel’, so it’s pretty clear what he means.

I think the term ‘Zionism’ is very clearly understood as Jewish nationalism and the support of the establishment of Israel. Israel has already been established anyway (and the term pre-dates it existence) so it’s support of Israel existing as a majority Jewish State in the current time era.

People who confusticate the term do so purely because they don’t want to admit they don’t believe a Jewish State, meaning Israel, should exist

Which is odd to me as no one seems to have a problem with majority Muslim (53), Christian, Catholic (Vatican City), Hindu and Buddhist countries, or the 8 Islamic States, because there is a problem with Jewish people having their own State on their own ancestral land because they are Jews, despite Jewish people being one of the few peoples who have consistently been persecuted for centuries as a diaspora group and having a clear reason for having a majority State.

The conflict being about land is smoke and mirrors. It’s about religion as Muslims regard it all as conquered Muslim land.

Arabs were given 86% of the land (of the entire British Mandate), Jews 14% despite being 30% of the population in 1947, which they were quite happy to and did share with Arabs. Land allocated to the Jews was mostly desert and malaria infested swamp. The Arabs still didn’t want them to have any land as a majority Jewish State even though Jewish people had been present in the region for centuries, and the Arabs were colonisers of the land themselves. The Arabs had also benefitted massively from Jewish migration to the area in terms of jobs, higher wages, medical care, modernised agriculture and better living conditions. That’s why so many moved into the region who now profess to be indigenous…..

The Maldives is the only country in the world where only Muslims can be citizens and non-Muslim visitors such as foreign workers or tourists can only practice their religion in private. They also have the death penalty for apostasy, and no one cares about that but they do care about Jewish people having a majority Jewish State in their indigenous lands despite having a large Muslim population with citizenship, in direct contrast to the Maldives.

The Maldives became an independent State in 1965. I have never heard anyone going on about it being an ‘ethno state’ or saying it shouldn’t exist because it’s a a Muslim State.

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 07:12

@1dayatatime @TicklishMauveSquid agree with what you say. I would just add that 'zionism' existed before Herzl and the movement that he defined, in that Israel, as the homeland of the Jews, is absolutely central to Judaism in the Bible, prayers, stories etc. Jews were travelling to Israel and were concerned about Israel before Herzl, and independent of Herzl.

The idea that fanatics screaming about zionists on the streets have any clue about these complexities is for the birds.

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 12:46

Big day tomorrow for Gaza. Donnie is on the ground in Egypt to see first hand the hostages are released, and the prisoners.
Let’s hope it’s as civil as it can be.

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 12:57

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 12:46

Big day tomorrow for Gaza. Donnie is on the ground in Egypt to see first hand the hostages are released, and the prisoners.
Let’s hope it’s as civil as it can be.

Big day could even be today!

Just read on BBC website that Hamas have offered to release the hostages today instead of tomorrow in exchange for just 2 from their previous list of 7 particularly high value prisoners.

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 13:03

Hamas badly want Marwan Barghouti & Ahmad Sadatt

Usou · 12/10/2025 13:07

TicklishMauveSquid · 12/10/2025 01:53

The guy in the video I posted from the UK stated we want to ensure ‘an end to the settler colonial, racist, apartheid regime which is Israel’, so it’s pretty clear what he means.

I think the term ‘Zionism’ is very clearly understood as Jewish nationalism and the support of the establishment of Israel. Israel has already been established anyway (and the term pre-dates it existence) so it’s support of Israel existing as a majority Jewish State in the current time era.

People who confusticate the term do so purely because they don’t want to admit they don’t believe a Jewish State, meaning Israel, should exist

Which is odd to me as no one seems to have a problem with majority Muslim (53), Christian, Catholic (Vatican City), Hindu and Buddhist countries, or the 8 Islamic States, because there is a problem with Jewish people having their own State on their own ancestral land because they are Jews, despite Jewish people being one of the few peoples who have consistently been persecuted for centuries as a diaspora group and having a clear reason for having a majority State.

The conflict being about land is smoke and mirrors. It’s about religion as Muslims regard it all as conquered Muslim land.

Arabs were given 86% of the land (of the entire British Mandate), Jews 14% despite being 30% of the population in 1947, which they were quite happy to and did share with Arabs. Land allocated to the Jews was mostly desert and malaria infested swamp. The Arabs still didn’t want them to have any land as a majority Jewish State even though Jewish people had been present in the region for centuries, and the Arabs were colonisers of the land themselves. The Arabs had also benefitted massively from Jewish migration to the area in terms of jobs, higher wages, medical care, modernised agriculture and better living conditions. That’s why so many moved into the region who now profess to be indigenous…..

The Maldives is the only country in the world where only Muslims can be citizens and non-Muslim visitors such as foreign workers or tourists can only practice their religion in private. They also have the death penalty for apostasy, and no one cares about that but they do care about Jewish people having a majority Jewish State in their indigenous lands despite having a large Muslim population with citizenship, in direct contrast to the Maldives.

The Maldives became an independent State in 1965. I have never heard anyone going on about it being an ‘ethno state’ or saying it shouldn’t exist because it’s a a Muslim State.

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Brilliant post.

Finally, somebody who actually knows what they are talking about.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 12/10/2025 13:23

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 13:03

Hamas badly want Marwan Barghouti & Ahmad Sadatt

If Marwan Barghouti can be released and unite the Palestinians and work towards peace that would be amazing.

But that's why Israel don't want to release him.

BelleHathor · 12/10/2025 14:07

Re: Barghouti, that's been the Israeli government's modus operandi for the last 75+ years. Kill or imprison any potentially successful Palestinian leaders then argue that there is no partner for peace to negotiate with and oops we'll just seize more Palestinian land and build more settlements.....

Barghouti is actually from the Fatah faction, but was/is seen as a threat to the current Fatah leadership. A friend who was in the government told us that Abbas and the people around him move any Palestinian that they see as a threat to roles outside of Palestine e.g. appoint them as diplomats.

Barghouti is hugely popular think Mandela, a unifying, progressive Palestinian leader. He likely would defeat both Hamas and the Fatah establishment in any elections.

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Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 14:20

I mentioned this on another thread but no one there knew can anyone tell me why Israel is refusing to release Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya ? He seemed so brave I have thought about him often

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 14:24

For anyone who doesn’t know of him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussam_Abu_Safiya

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 15:01

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 14:24

For anyone who doesn’t know of him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussam_Abu_Safiya

I can understand why Israel does not want to release Colonel Hussam Abu Safiya.

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 15:01

Please no misinformation

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 15:02

A paediatrician and neonatologist not a colonel

SirBobblysock · 12/10/2025 15:03

@Everexpanding has he been heard from recently? He was in bad health at the last update I saw in July.

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 15:05

Seems odd then that such a great peace maker who can easily win an election against Hamas would remain imprisoned?
You’d think he’d be the perfect man for the job.

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 15:13

SirBobblysock · 12/10/2025 15:03

@Everexpanding has he been heard from recently? He was in bad health at the last update I saw in July.

I think the last time his legal representative saw him was in July and yes he was in very bad shape had lost a third of his weight was being beaten and denied medication.

the most recent report I have seen is below

Israel will not release two detained Palestinian doctors, including paediatrician Dr Hussam Abu Safiya and Dr Marwan Al-Hams, as part of the ceasefire deal, a Hamas official told CNN.
Safiya was beaten and kidnapped by Israeli forces during a raid on Kamal Adwan Hospital in December last year after he refused to abandon patients under siege.
Footage in the aftermath of the attack showed Safiya wearing a white medical overcoat crossing a street strewn with rubble. The Israeli military said Safiya was being held as a "suspect" and being questioned over "potential involvement in terrorist activity". Safiya has been held since then without charge.
In July, lawyer Ghaid Ghanem Qassem revealed that Safiya had lost over a third of his body weight in detention in Israel's notorious Ofer prison, was being brutally beaten and that his repeated requests for medical attention had been refused.
“Dr Hossam Abu Safieh is not okay. My most recent visit to him was just a few days ago, on 9 July 2025. He has lost more than 40 kg - over a third of his weight," Qassem said in a post on Facebook.
“At the time of his arrest, he weighed 100 kilograms. Today, his weight does not exceed 60,” she said, adding that he was “severely beaten on 24 June 2025”.
“His cell in Ofer Prison - Cell 1, Section 24 - was specifically targeted. He was brutally beaten in the chest area.”
Furthermore, she reported that Safiya suffers from "irregular heartbeat, and his eyeglasses, which were recently brought in through his lawyer, were broken".

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 12/10/2025 15:51

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 15:05

Seems odd then that such a great peace maker who can easily win an election against Hamas would remain imprisoned?
You’d think he’d be the perfect man for the job.

Are you being sarcastic?

TicklishMauveSquid · 12/10/2025 17:01

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 15:13

I think the last time his legal representative saw him was in July and yes he was in very bad shape had lost a third of his weight was being beaten and denied medication.

the most recent report I have seen is below

Israel will not release two detained Palestinian doctors, including paediatrician Dr Hussam Abu Safiya and Dr Marwan Al-Hams, as part of the ceasefire deal, a Hamas official told CNN.
Safiya was beaten and kidnapped by Israeli forces during a raid on Kamal Adwan Hospital in December last year after he refused to abandon patients under siege.
Footage in the aftermath of the attack showed Safiya wearing a white medical overcoat crossing a street strewn with rubble. The Israeli military said Safiya was being held as a "suspect" and being questioned over "potential involvement in terrorist activity". Safiya has been held since then without charge.
In July, lawyer Ghaid Ghanem Qassem revealed that Safiya had lost over a third of his body weight in detention in Israel's notorious Ofer prison, was being brutally beaten and that his repeated requests for medical attention had been refused.
“Dr Hossam Abu Safieh is not okay. My most recent visit to him was just a few days ago, on 9 July 2025. He has lost more than 40 kg - over a third of his weight," Qassem said in a post on Facebook.
“At the time of his arrest, he weighed 100 kilograms. Today, his weight does not exceed 60,” she said, adding that he was “severely beaten on 24 June 2025”.
“His cell in Ofer Prison - Cell 1, Section 24 - was specifically targeted. He was brutally beaten in the chest area.”
Furthermore, she reported that Safiya suffers from "irregular heartbeat, and his eyeglasses, which were recently brought in through his lawyer, were broken".

Don’t Palestinian prisoners and detainees often go on hunger strike in prison so they can blame Israel for starving them?

I’m sure I read that somewhere and it’s quite an
old practice.

It’s really surprising monstrous Israel even allow ‘brutally beaten’ illegally detained ‘disappeared’ Palestinians to been seen by legal reps, let alone multiple visits.

Also surprising the doctor didn’t know his hospital was being used as a Hamas command base.

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Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 17:09

TicklishMauveSquid · 12/10/2025 17:01

Don’t Palestinian prisoners and detainees often go on hunger strike in prison so they can blame Israel for starving them?

I’m sure I read that somewhere and it’s quite an
old practice.

It’s really surprising monstrous Israel even allow ‘brutally beaten’ illegally detained ‘disappeared’ Palestinians to been seen by legal reps, let alone multiple visits.

Also surprising the doctor didn’t know his hospital was being used as a Hamas command base.

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Do you think he tortured himself too????
@TicklishMauveSquid

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 17:22

Denied himself medication?

1dayatatime · 12/10/2025 18:10

Hamas are not fools they know how popular Marwan Barghouti is with both Gazans and West Bank Palestinians.

My guess is that they want him released to "persuade him "to front up a rebranded Hamas organisation to take over from the original Hamas.

The danger is that if he refuses and wants to be his own man rather than a Hamas puppet, that Hamas will kill him whilst putting the blame on say an Israeli assassination or on ill health from his time in prison.

BelleHathor · 12/10/2025 18:26

The fantasies that some people come up with in their heads would be funny if they were not so delusional.

Palestinian writer Edward Said really got it right in his book "Orientalism" :
Orientalism refers to the Western world's prejudiced and stereotypical way of depicting the Eastern world (the Orient), which was created by Western scholars and writers to justify colonialism and assert Western superiority. Said argues that this constructed "Oriental" identity is an inferior, exotic, and irrational "other" against which the West defines itself as rational, masculine, and powerful. This is a created body of knowledge and practice, inextricably linked to imperial power, that produces an image of the East rather than reflecting its reality.

14 Palestinian factions signed an agreement last year in Beijing, China. The aim of which was to focus on unity and the Palestinian cause. It was facilitated by various BRICS countries as an alternative to the failed path of America and Europe.

https://www.mfa.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbzhd/202407/t20240723_11458790.html
"Wang Yi pointed out that only when Palestinian factions speak as one can the voice of justice be loud and clear, and only when they join hands and march forward shoulder to shoulder can they succeed in their national liberation cause. The most important consensus from the Beijing talks is to achieve the reconciliation and unity among the 14 factions; the core outcome is the affirmation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the sole legitimate representative of all Palestinian people; the biggest highlight is the agreement on establishing an interim government of national reconciliation focusing on the post-conflict reconstruction of Gaza; and the strongest call is for truly establishing an independent State of Palestine in accordance with relevant U.N. resolutions. The key to the Palestinian reconciliation process is to bolster confidence, keep to the right direction, and make incremental progress. Only by making continuous efforts to build consensus and put it into practice can the reconciliation process yield more and more substantive progress and greater unity. Reconciliation is the internal affair of Palestinian factions, and cannot happen without international support. On the path toward reconciliation, China shares the same direction and destination with Arab and Islamic countries.

Wang Yi noted that the Palestinian question is at the core of the Middle East issue. China never has any selfish interests on the Palestinian question. China was among the first countries to recognize the PLO and the State of Palestine. China all along firmly supports the Palestinian people in restoring their legitimate national rights. We value fairness and advocate for justice. At present, the Gaza conflict drags on, its spillovers continue to spread, and multiple regional conflicts are interconnected."

Palestinian Factions Sign Beijing Declaration on Ending Division and Strengthening Palestinian National Unity_Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China

https://www.mfa.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbzhd/202407/t20240723_11458790.html

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