Trump Announces initital Agreement ❤️🤞

[BelleHathor]

Trump just annouced on Truth Social that a ceasefire has been reached

Praying that this os over ❤️🤞

Exactly- as anyone with even basic knowledge of malnutrition will know, children show the effects of starvation first. Adults can appear outwardly healthy for months while their organs are deteriorating. The tragedy isn’t a few ‘well-fed’ adults- it’s a deliberate system starving an entire civilian population, with children suffering first.

Funny how the suffering of 20,000+ children is reduced to whether some men are ‘well fed’. The problem isn’t lack of generosity among adults- it’s a deliberate blockade that has starved an entire civilian population. Aid trickling in now doesn’t erase the months of collective punishment inflicted on the most vulnerable.

Bye Boris.

You don’t seem in a positive mood despite a ceasefire being underway, large quantities of aid to be distributed and the hostages hopefully being released on Monday.

It’s a hopeful time for both Palestinians and Israelis, hence both sides celebrating the ceasefire on the streets of Gaza & Tel Aviv.

So much gaslighting on this thread. Posters repeatedly claiming that the famine was made up bla bla and when other posters counteract it they are accused of not being 'positive enough' it wasn't @Wedonttalkaboutboris that started this topic on this thread.

This.

My mood:

Exactly. Blame hamas which is what many of us have said from the start.

All these well fed cheering crowds yet apparently so may strarved?

So many distressing images online of real genocides and famines compared to the crowds in gaza.

Yep. You'd think the pro pals would be feeling a bit more positive. Granted, I have reservations on how long it will be until the terrorists start again but we'll have to enjoy it while it lasts.

Why do you think your mood is so out of step with the Palestinians in Gaza cheering that there is a ceasefire and hope for the end of war after 2 years?

Tut - you’ll be arguing with them next on social media.

Only in your opinion.

My mood isn't out of step with the Palestinians in Gaza. As I always have done I have been listening to them and centering them in the conversation.

They're the ones who have had to deal with this occupation since Europeans imposed it on them, knowing that there have been many broken promises since the Balfour Agreement. They know the nature of what they're dealing with and the duplicitous acts of the past.

Despite everything they have endured many are able to show more positivity than you about the prospect of peace.

That tweet is a bit rich coming from a Hamas supporter. She seems like quite the Putin fan too. Not someone I'd want to be lectured on empathy from.

@Twiglets of course Palestinians are happy. For now they have some peace at last after two years of bombing. They will food and medicine, a chance to look for the spot where their home once was, or look for their relatives and friends, missing ir released from Israeli prison. For however long it may last they can feel happy right now. At the very least it must feel like a holiday and a time for the birth of hope.

Anyone looking on the outside though might feel worried - no matter how much this peace deal is to be rejoiced in because of the return of the hostages, an end to the war, and the beginning of better times.

This for example is a Haaretz analysis headline Oct 9
A Rushed Gaza Cease-fire Under Trump's Pressure Leaves the Toughest Questions Unanswered
The cease-fire halts the war and frees hostages, yet with no roadmap for Gaza's future – its borders, leadership or reconstruction – it risks becoming another short-lived lull in a conflict with no end in sight. ……….

Then here are paragraphs in the article pointing out concerns:

Beyond the broad outlines of the deal – the release of Israeli hostages, the freeing of Palestinian prisoners and the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza – little is clear. The list of prisoners to be released has not been finalized, and it remains uncertain whether Israel will free senior detainees or thousands of the roughly 11,000 Palestinians it currently holds. Among them are 250 serving life sentences.

There is also no clarity about what comes next. Beyond the first phase, there is no political horizon. The agreement does not address Gaza's future governance, any permanent monitoring mechanism or a broader diplomatic framework. The first stage could well end up being the last, leaving the long-term picture as murky as ever.

While the announcement sounds like a new beginning, it may prove to be just a brief pause in a much longer story whose ending is still nowhere in sight. Trump is presenting the deal as a peace agreement, but no one involved is speaking about peace in any real sense. There are no discussions of borders, sovereignty or governance. The future of the West Bank and the link between it and the Gaza Strip remain distant and undefined.

And the British reporter Jeremy Bowen on BBC news two days ago was pointing out that it is going to be difficult:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cyv6dyd3m8eo

Anyway, it is wonderful the war has been stopped now.

Everyone knows the details aren't worked out and everyone knows its going to be difficult. Twiglets spoke of posivitvity about the prospect of peace, nothing more extravagant than that.

Worrying recent BBC news:
Hamas are apparently now mobilising fighters because they want to fight Israeli backed Palestinian militias within Gaza because they regard them as being effectively armed Israeli occupation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cder1pg17yrt?post=asset%3A27150279-a29a-4469-9176-1b29e2dab2c9#post

So how come there are many children who don’t look starved at all (personally I am relieved at that)) from videos I saw yesterday in which I saw not one.

Gaza is a very small area, why isn’t the UN ensuring food is getting to those in most need and why weren’t Palestinians sharing whatever food they have so nobody starved?

There is not one person in the many videos coming out of Gaza of adults AND children celebrating yesterday who looked desperate enough that had been fighting for food.

There are obviously trucks and vehicles for transporting food. Plenty of videos of men touting AK47s sitting on top of them.

Bisan Owda certainly doesn’t look starved if you watch her reports from Gaza from the beginning of the war and now. Maybe she should have shared some food with some starving children?

Why do you think some people were starving and others patently weren’t in such a small area.

There are terrible pictures from Sudan and Yemen showing the horrific affects of starvation. Let’s be honest, nothing like that has come out Gaza. Which again is a GOOD thing, right?

Did you know there are a similar amount of malnutrition related deaths in UK per year as there were in two years in Gaza? Obviously on a population level not comparable but people even die in Western countries who are not at war from malnutrition.

Have these child deaths in Gaza been verified as directly caused by malnutrition without any underlying medical condition which causes malabsorption?

Israel was routinely treating hundreds of children from Gaza with medical conditions in Israeli hospitals before the war. Understandably that stopped, although some families who arrived in Israel before the war started haven’t been able to go back to Gaza.

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-02-01/ty-article/.premium/the-man-whose-job-is-translating-ill-arab-kids-at-israeli-hospital/00000186-0c14-d9b4-afb7-0f3dd3970000

www.shebaonline.org/treating-babies-from-gaza-in-israel/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/angry-and-tired-gazan-mothers-stuck-in-israel-after-medical-care-want-to-get-home/amp/

Yep they are executing ‘collaborators’.

As if there’s ever going to be a possibility of an effective, peaceful, governing party in Gaza while Hamas are still deeply embedded and supported.

Clearly shows the delusion of virtue signalling politicians like Starmer and Macron who have already recognised a Palestinian State on the back of a real genocide, that Hamas and Palestinian civilians who support Hamas gleefully carried out, to try to politically, and in public opinion, destroy Israel through false ‘genocide’ propaganda because they had no chance militarily,

Slow handclap 👏🏻. 👏🏻. 👏🏻.

Have a look at any UK crowds, or even an Israeli one, and see the difference in their bodies.

Apparently you have not listened to any doctors talking about their experiences of how malnourishment has affected their patients, or seen those children who have died from not getting the nutrition they needed. Or even seen the skinny ( relative to ours) children’s’ arms holding out pans for lentils.

Just imagine 2,600 perfectly well fed, plump people being shot queuing for food at the distribution points! Who would have thought they’d think it was worth the risk given they were so well fed.

As for old weaker people, women and children they would not have been able to make that journey.

So let's see what Trump's 20 point plan offers the Gazans:

1. Gaza will be a deradicalised terror-free zone - a good thing for Gazans.

1. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza - a good thing for Gazans.

1. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. A ceasefire is a good thing for Gazans.

1. Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned. A return of Israeli hostages is a good thing for Israel.

1. Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after 7 October 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

A good thing for Gazans.

1. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

The removal of Hamas from governing Gaza is a good thing for Gazans

1. Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip.

A good thing for Gazans.

1. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent.

A good thing for Gazans.

1. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza.

This sounds a lot better than Hamas and again a good thing for the Gazans.

10. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East.
    Investment into Gaza is a good thing for Gazans.

11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.
    Preferred tariffs is another good thing for Gazans.

12. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.
    A good thing for Gazans.

13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbours.
    A good thing for Gazans.

14. A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbours or its people.
    A good thing for both Gazans and Israelis.

15. The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilisation Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution.
    A good thing for Gazans, Israelis and the entire Middle East.

16. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza.
    A good thing for Gazans.

17. In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.
    A good thing for Gazans.

18. An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.
    A good thing for Gazans, Israelis and the entire Middle East.

19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
    A good thing for Gazans.

20. The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.
    A good thing for everybody.

So overall the 20 point peace plan looks like a very good deal for Gazans, which is why in the most part they are celebrating it and why for the most part other Middle Eastern countries are also supportive of it.

So this raises the question then of why are the Western pro Palestinian lobby and protesters are not marching in celebration of the deal.

The answer to this is for two reasons:

1. The State of Israel will continue to exist which is unacceptable to both the extreme Islamists and the far left.
2. The peace deal has been proposed by Donald Trump - so in the eyes of the extreme Islamists and the far left that makes it unacceptable regardless of the content.

So in summary the Western pro Palestinian lobby are not out celebrating because their entire movement is based on the emotion of hating the existence of Israel and hating Western society, rather than the facts of the peace proposal.

And lastly if you have any lingering doubts as to the true motives of many in the pro Palestinian movement take a look at this video and it tells you everything you need to know:

https://youtube.com/shorts/1arz3VaOaFU?si=rlmS52zpGFRrdohn

By removing any alternative Governing group for Gaza then Hamas can ensure that it will remain in power even if it is only in a re labelled form.

Whether they have collaborated with Israel is irrelevant what is relevant is that their existence is a threat to Hamas. Plus because of the ceasefire Israel cannot come to their aid.

Shocking, not surprising, I've heard views like that many times.

The question is where and when was she given those views because they're not the product of informed research.

Well if your starting point is hating Jews and hating the West then you don't really need informed opinions or facts.

No comment on what the young lady is saying in that video or her reasons for saying it, though her rhetoric is no different to the Israeli ministers who've said the Palestinians should be removed.

However her comments do reflect growing commentary around the world in reaction to the brutal actions of the IDF after the last 2 years, that peace will not be achieved in the region whilst the country that has bombed 8+ other countries in the region in the last 2 years remains there whilst not being contained.

The IDF bombed Lebanon last night destroying 300 cranes, loaders and drilling machines owned by private companies and being used to reconstruct destroyed houses. What was the military purpose of that apart from punishment.

Also, it is not solely a left wing thing. In America especially there is robust discussion on the right about Israeli influence, dual nationality and military spending on Israel (Brown University study shows $21 billion given in the last 2 years) and anti Christian rhetoric.

P.s look at the comments in that YouTube video about $7000, Netanyahu's 8th front on social media has failed spectacularly.

'do reflect growing commentary around the world in reaction to the brutal actions of the IDF after the last 2 years, that peace will not be achieved in the region whilst the country that has bombed 8+ other countries in the region in the last 2 years remains there whilst not being contained'

They take on the terrorists like hezbollah in Lebanon, terrorists in Syria etc etc. We should be thanking them.

True, but it's learned hate. Perhaps she'll grow out of it if she can get away from the malign influences here that spawned it.