Trump Announces initital Agreement ❤️🤞

[BelleHathor]

Trump just annouced on Truth Social that a ceasefire has been reached

Praying that this os over ❤️🤞

However her comments do reflect growing commentary around the world in reaction to the brutal actions of the IDF after the last 2 years, that peace will not be achieved in the region whilst the country that has bombed 8+ other countries in the region in the last 2 years remains there whilst not being contained.

What would this look like in practice, in your opinion?

Thanks Sharon - exactly!

Are you denying that there was a blockade on food?

Because if not, you’re suggesting that every doctor, aid worker, and journalist who’s documented mass hunger and malnutrition has just… made it all up?

That’s quite the conspiracy theory to hang your hat on.

Actually I don't think that young lady's views are surprising. You have to recognise that by going publicly on LBC news with those views is that is very much the tip of the iceberg.

There are many many more who privately share the same views but know that they currently can't express those views publicly.

You only have to look at the response of @BelleHathorwho rather than condemn what is clear and open anti semitism prefers to respond with "what about extremist Israeli politicians ". The key difference of course is that the Israeli extremist politicians are in Israel whilst this young lady is on the streets of the UK.

indeed.
69 million people in the UK, the majority do not march.
This is a chance for peace and rebuilding and the eyes of the world will see if it's taken or squandered.

Now that the war in Gaza is hopefully over,🕯 do you think the Culture Wars on Mnet will abate @BelleHathor ?🙏

I'm hoping so @TooBigForMyBoots 🙏, it's certainly been eye opening over the last 2 years.....

Though next up Keir Starmer and his stupid digital ID!

Oh I think that ordinary Gazans will definitely want to take the peace deal
as its very favourable to them and their future prosperity. The alternative is to deliberately choose to be poor and a permanent "victim status ".

Hamas will be very reluctant to relinquish power and may just simply rebrand themselves.

The majority of the pro Palestinian protests will move on to support whatever is trending most on social media. However there will be a significant minority that continues to object to the existence of Israel as well as increasingly Western conservative values. Plus a much larger minority who are sympathetic towards them.

As a result I fear an increase in home grown terrorist attacks by the extreme Islamist / far left grouping both in the UK and in Western Europe.

If there was ever a need for further evidence that Hamas are more interested in staying in power than they are about the suffering of Gazan civilians then this is it.

If the Pro Palestinian lobby or for that matter anyone at all really cared about the suffering of ordinary Gazans then they should be calling for the removal of Hamas from power.

Hamas mobilises fighters in Gaza as fears of internal violence mount https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8482418plo

@1dayatatime I no longer respond to attempts by people to emotionally manipulate me to condemn someone/something like the LBC presenter Tom Swarbrick clearly attempted to do by equating what the student said about Israel to Jewish people in the UK (which we've all been quite clearly told is anti-Semitic).

The student is quite uninformed as a lot of young people with limited life experience are. However these kids have been watching blown up babies for 2 years, what do you expect roses? Of course they're angry, there's only so much death a normal person can witness before it affecting them. They're also responding to all the dehumanisation they've seen from the other side.

Leaving Israeli politicians out of it, here is journalist Melanie Phillips (who I believe lives in the UK) saying about Palestinians in Gaza:

Breaking a non-existent siege of a non-existent people in a non-existent state.

There are many many more who privately share the same views but know that they currently can't express those views publicly.

Oh believe me they're expressing it openly and very vocally all over social media (hence Netanyahu's 8th front) just look at Fuentes and his Groypers. It's actually disconcerting how some people are taking it to the extreme. In that sense Mumsnet due to it's strict moderation is not representative.

So they were shouting ‘Ceasefire Now!’ for 2 years, but now a ceasefire means nothing. Oh what a 😮

‘Zionism has to end in this world’ and they call for civil disobedience in the UK.

Why are these inciters of violence not being arrested?

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1977026588853072061

"Ceasefire Now" has literally pivoted to "Military Intervention Now". They are a bunch of absolute imbeciles who have let the mask slip big time about their true intentions

I do not know anything about these armed Palestinian militias whom Israel has backed against Hamas and have been trying to find out more details.

It seems they are often clans and act on behalf of themselves for their own security and gain. They can be like criminals.
Here is a research paper about them from 2009.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254648296_Palestinian_Tribes_Clans_and_Notable_Families

What I am not sure of is whether these Israeli backed Palestinian militias against Hamas are good because they are against Hamas, or more trouble for Palestinians. It must be chaos.

This is from the Guardian 30 September:
An official with a major aid agency operating in Gaza said they had not “heard from the de facto authority” – a euphemism for Hamas – since March and were now dealing with a “variety of different actors”.

“In the north there is nobody in charge, in the central area there are some really powerful families and some small informal militia … and in the south you have formalised Israeli clients who get weapons and so on from the Israeli military,” they said. “Law and order is deteriorating, the social fabric is falling apart and people are really desperate and in survival mode and it is becoming everyone for themselves.”

Many such armed groups have a record of looting aid or extorting protection payments from humanitarian organisations as well as from other Palestinians living in Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/30/israel-backed-militia-groups-potentially-threaten-new-peace-plan-for-gaza

This is a Sky News investigation into Yasser Abu Shabab who hardly seems like a great alternative to Hamas. Israel must hope they’ll weaken Hamas and take over but be obviously incapable of ruling.
This group is pretty shocking.
https://news.sky.com/story/guns-cash-and-american-aid-investigation-reveals-israels-support-for-gaza-militia-13442260

Actually I don't condemn the young woman, in fact I actually give her credit for saying out loud what many of the pro Palestinian protesters are thinking- namely that they don't want the State of Israel to exist.

Her saying it out loud is much more honest than comments like :

"When Bob Vylan said death to the IDF what he actually meant was an end to the IDF in it's current form " Which we all know is bollocks, as if Bob is genuinely interested in military organisational restructuring.

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" which 90% of British Jews see as a call to remove the State of Israel.

"I'm not anti semetic just anti Zionist"
which is literally saying I have nothing against Jewish people but I just don't want the state of Israel to exist.

Imagine saying that I have nothing against Indians but I just don't want the country of India to exist? You would rightly be called out for racism.

Well the "Zionism must end" is a call for the end of the State of Israel and the civil disobedience is a call to destabilise Western societies.

All of which fits with the aims of the extreme Islamist / far left coalition of the Pro Palestinian lobby plus of course a large number of useful idiots.

What I am not sure of is whether these Israeli backed Palestinian militias against Hamas are good because they are against Hamas, or more trouble for Palestinians. It must be chaos.

I suspect that none of the militias are particularly pleasant, and if there's infighting it's not going to be very good for the civilians around them.

Basically whilst strong militias exist in Gaza they represent an alternative governing party for Gaza.

This is a threat to the continued rule of Hamas (probably under a new brand name). That's why Hamas wants to eliminate them.

Of course this will result in many more innocent Gazan civilians deaths, but Hamas never cared about this anyway and for the Pro Palestinian lobby, so long as it's not Jews causing Gazan civilian casualties then that's perfectly fine.

Yes any suffering in Gaza that can't be attributed to Israel and it's just tumbleweed.

Well the "Zionism must end" is a call for the end of the State of Israel
I disagree, as I think it is generally meant as a call for the end of extremist attitudes.

The conversation has been on this board before, though some time ago now, that a lot of people have an idea of Zionism that it refers to extremist settlers such as some of those settlers in the West Bank and the government encouraging them, or Daniela Weiss, who say God promised the land to the Jews and Palestinians should leave, or extremists like Ben Givr Smotrich and Netanyahu. That is rather than Zionism referring to Israelis’ idea of a homeland ( especially after pogroms and the holocaust) but alongside the Palestinians as their neighbours.

The Likud party backing Netanyahu sees from the river to the sea as Jewish.

Of course calling for the end of Zionism is calling for the end of Israel.

Basically whilst strong militias exist in Gaza they represent an alternative governing party for Gaza

They may be good for fighting Hamas or subduing them but the main one Sky News wrote about does not sound at all right for governing as they are more like marauding looters and dealers.

Also if they are being given arms by Israel, Hamas will refuse to give up their arms most likely.

Maybe an effective, potentially good governing militia clan will emerge but it is hard to see how it can work out.

Clearly people can claim to define any word in whichever way they want but it doesn't make it correct.

Anyway according to the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, Zionism is a political movement that was originally founded to establish an independent state for Jewish people in Palestine and now supports the development and protection of the State of Israel.

In reality the militias are a mix of various strong family groups that see an opportunity to take advantage of the decline of Hamas.

As for the weapons - Gaza is awash with weapons and with around 30k dead Hamas fighters it's not difficult to take one of their weapons. That said picking one of is extremely hazardous and marks you out as an immediate target.

’Zionism’ is currently being interpreted as meaning different things by different people
so I don’t think those who say Zionism must end are all calling for an end to Israel.

This is someone writing about the question in Haaretz April 2024:
Excerpt from the article
What the hell is a Zionist?

The word is "Zionist," a flexible term that can refer to a wide range of people, behaviors and beliefs. It has been applied to fanatical Jewish supremacists, people who endorse a two-state solution, conscientious objectors to the IDF – who nonetheless condemn Hamas – and a K-pop star who held a Starbucks cup, among others. There are those who declare themselves staunch anti-Zionists because they oppose the policies of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the carnage in Gaza, but still might meet someone else's definition of Zionism if they don't believe that Israelis should be expelled from the Levant.

To clear up this confusion, I asked people on X to put a moratorium on the word for clarity's sake: When they say Zionist, are they talking about National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and his Kahanist ilk ? Are they talking about anyone who advocates for anything but the dismantling of Israel? Are they talking about Jewish people in general, who they don't like for reasons unrelated to Theodore Herzl?