Pro-Israel - I don't understand

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I've NCed for this as MN can be a vicious place lately, this thread may be a bad idea but hoping some genuine people will respond with their perspective.

Obviously there's a lot of nuance, but I don't understand how so many people seem to be pro Israel? My family are Jewish (I'm not as my mother isn't, but my dad's side are) and none of us support what Israel are doing. They say that as Jewish people, they don't want to see their people commit a genocide and push people out of their homes as this is exactly what's been done to Jewish people throughout history. And we don't think it's necessarily antisemitic to be against the actions of a government. (Though clearly some people are being antisemitic under the guise of defending Palestine)

Of course, Hamas has done awful things and I don't mean to say it's okay. But it seems like Palestine is fighting back after decades of oppression and violence committed against them by Israel. It's the actions of a desperate people - it's awful violence, but if it weren't for Israel, there would be no need for violence at all. You can't continually kick a dog and complain when it bites back?

I'm not looking for an argument so may not post again here as I don't want to argue withother opinions - I'm just hoping to hear from other perspectives. A lot of the media and public seem very pro Israel and I just don't understand. I'm not talking about protests here in the UK, as that's a whole other mess that's really muddying the waters and I'm not sure Palestinians would want these people speaking for them. If you are pro-Israel, please explain why as I feel I'm missing something here

I would probably ask why my government squandered its billions on tunnels and weapons and lining the pockets of it lesders rather than building hospitals and investing in medical care in my country so I didn't have to travel to another one for care.

So I have a question - people are saying that Israel withdrew from Palestine, but Louis Theroux's doc The Settlers shows Jewish people starting settlements in Palestine and encouraging Jewish people from other countries, like the US, to join them. Is this individuals/grassroots groups acting in opposition to what the government have decided?

Israel was blockading the required equipment @SharonEllis

4 February 2019 – After being diagnosed with cancer, patients in Gaza may often have to wait for months before being able to receive treatment. Getting a permit to access the health care needed outside can be a stressful and unpredictable process, and many apply multiple times before being able to exit. Even then, some patients are never able to secure the permits they need to access care.
The ability of Gaza’s hospitals to provide adequate diagnosis and treatment to cancer patients is severely limited due to chronic shortages of medicines and lack of medical equipment. Nuclear medicine scanning needed for staging cancers, radiotherapy equipment and some specialized surgeries are unavailable. More than half of essential chemotherapy drugs were at less than a month’s supply throughout 2018.

Israel withdrew from Gaza, that’s what people are talking about.

Oh I see thank you, from Gaza but not from Palestine entirely

The hospitals did have things like MRI. Scanners, with the process for approval of them took months, as did obtaining spare parts, so availability of them was very sporadic. The same with some cancer treatments. Essentially, the blockade had a big effect on cancer care.

But in any event, you never knew whether Israel was going to bomb anything you built, like they did with many other things that the Palestinians invested money into, like their airport and their port.

It's also not uncommon for people in small countries to go to other places for cancer treatment. The difficulty is that no, Palestinian is able to do that without the explicit so of Israel.

I think most of the settlements are in the West Bank which is the other part of Palestine

How did Hamas manage to import the building matrials for hundreds of miles of tunnels?

See my post above, they were also attacked by people they had employed.

Some things that have stood out to me/I want to look into more:

• Hamas not adequately protecting its people
• Availability of resources- ie if Israel is blocking aid and access to resources, why can't neighbouring countries provide this
• What was the legitimate setup supposed to be in terms of Israel-Palestine relations? Someone said they support Palestine's right to request more land and resources etc but not through Hamas. What were these supposed to be? They clearly weren't functioning?

I don’t think you order them through medical companies, official channels

deflection @inamarina

You know what I mean, Hamas managed perfectly well to import things they needed.

Shameful

Yes but why was Israel blockading - to stop Hamas importing weapons and its criminal operations. You have to go a step back and look at the choices Hamas was making.

And if it's of interest, with the blockade banned, dangerous things like paper and passata, the IDF was simultaneously giving Hamas materials to make the rockets. A lot of them are made from recycled bombs that Israel dropped on Gaza. So ironically the one thing Israel could have done to reduce the number of rockets being constructed, was to stop bombing Gaza. Instead they carried on bombing them and banned passata.

Why do you expect everyone else to do your research? This is a discussion forum.

This is really basic. A second or two on google.

What security reason did Israel have to justify people/children leaving to access cancer care often times not even in Israelbut even accessing care in other countries? Intentional cruelty is the answer

Blocking permis to leave that should say

I don't? I said these are things I want to look into more. Lots of people have posted saying I'm fake or being goady, so just trying to show that I'm paying attention and engaging in good faith. You really can't win with some people

Many people are pro Israel because it is the only functionally democratic state in the Middle East. It is also the only majority non-Muslim country in the region and I believe that much of the West feels a greater affinity towards the Jewish faith than it does toward Islam. Which is somewhat ironic given the millennia of persecutions and pogroms it has systematically waged against the Jews. Another consideration is the fact that Jews have never been aggressors towards the West - either in terms of politics, terrorism or ideology. A lot of people also feel that the frenzied pro Palestine demonstrations are largely driven by anti seminitism.

Simple, Israelis are white and Palestinians are brown and muslim

I appreciate the slightly less exhausting tone in this thread but I genuinely must live in a strange place as there is 0 support for Israel here and endless support for Palestine.

Shops have Palestinian flags in the windows, there are events and fundraising concerts and marches weekly - or more. My children are harassed at school for being Jewish and I’ve had to stop wearing anything identifying in public after a few horrible interactions.

I haven’t ever seen an Israeli flag or an Israeli event outside of a few vigils for the hostages that have stopped now. I can’t go to a protest for other issues without being surrounded by Palestinian flags (I go to pro choice and anti trump events and it’s everywhere). It sounds like I should move if there’s somewhere in the UK that isn’t like this - genuinely feels like it’s everywhere based on the reporting of all the protests yesterday but maybe not!

Why lie like this? What does it achieve?