Page 11 | Pro-Israel - I don't understand

plsexplaintome · 2025-10-08T08:11:06+00:00

I've NCed for this as MN can be a vicious place lately, this thread may be a bad idea but hoping some genuine people will respond with their perspective. Obviously there's a lot of nuance, but I don't understand how so many people seem to be pro Israel? My family are Jewish (I'm not as my mother isn't, but my dad's side are) and none of us support what Israel are doing. They say that as Jewish people, they don't want to see their people commit a genocide and push people out of their homes as this is exactly what's been done to Jewish people throughout history. And we don't think it's necessarily antisemitic to be against the actions of a government. (Though clearly some people are being antisemitic under the guise of defending Palestine) Of course, Hamas has done awful things and I don't mean to say it's okay. But it seems like Palestine is fighting back after decades of oppression and violence committed against them by Israel. It's the actions of a desperate people - it's awful violence, but if it weren't for Israel, there would be no need for violence at all. You can't continually kick a dog and complain when it bites back? I'm not looking for an argument so may not post again here as I don't want to argue withother opinions - I'm just hoping to hear from other perspectives. A lot of the media and public seem very pro Israel and I just don't understand. I'm not talking about protests here in the UK, as that's a whole other mess that's really muddying the waters and I'm not sure Palestinians would want these people speaking for them. If you are pro-Israel, please explain why as I feel I'm missing something here

RealDiscussionNotHate · 09/10/2025 06:37

Ayoopkid · 08/10/2025 23:11

This would be me! I am a Yemenite Jew. Once we were thousands, in San’aa, Aden, Sha’arab, but today we are ZERO. We join our Iraqi, Iranian, Moroccan, Algerian, Libyan, Syrian, Egyptian, (insert MENA country of choice) who were forcibly exiled and ethnically cleansed from our countries with nowhere to go. No free hotel rooms and cable TV. No one to protest for us or to offer us refuge. We are the brown skinned Arab Jews you pretend do not exist. You tell us to go back to Poland because you are ignorant and hate Jews. We brown Arab speaking Jews had nowhere to go, so we made our way to where our ancestors once lived, to where our holiest sites were, to our temple walls. The few survivors from Europe found their way too. But of course the world did not like that the Jews were still alive, hence all the BS you read and hear today that rewrites our history and makes us out to be the oppressors. We, the most oppressed. I don’t know how the lies got so out of hand, I can only think that people believe what they want to be true.

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LeticiaMorales · 09/10/2025 06:43

@Ayoopkid very good points, and your family's story is worthwhile reflecting on.
Also, contradicting the naivety of the "white Israelis/brown Palestinian" narrative that we see and hear (even on this thread).
The truth is far more complicated and multi layered than many people claim, and so many activists seem woefully ignorant.
Reducing it to slogans is not productive.

29Braydon · 12/10/2025 06:32

@SameOldHill
What matters is that there were people living there, and that those local communities were displaced. Whether they felt Palestinian, Jordanian or whatever, they didn’t deserve to be forcibly expelled.
And nor do the Israelis who were born there now. They don’t deserve to be forced out.
There is no solution. Personally I’d like to see a one state solution. Equal rights for all. Take away the law imposing any religion and allow international right to return for 1948 refugees. Whoever is there now stays. But that’s hopelessly naive.

Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine were only forcibly displaced after Arab violence against Jews erupted, following the UN vote in 1947. Before that, not a single Arab had been forcibly displaced.

Jews came to a mostly empty land, they cultivated wasteland and bought land from absentee landlords. Nobody had been displaced nor should anyone have bee, had the Arabs not started a war they lost.

And when you speak of return for 1948 refugees, first of all why? What's special about them more than any other refugees in the last eight decades, who have no chance of return? But even if, do you mean just the actual refugees or all their descendants for eternity?

KoalaKoKo · 12/10/2025 09:54

29Braydon · 12/10/2025 06:32

@SameOldHill
What matters is that there were people living there, and that those local communities were displaced. Whether they felt Palestinian, Jordanian or whatever, they didn’t deserve to be forcibly expelled.
And nor do the Israelis who were born there now. They don’t deserve to be forced out.
There is no solution. Personally I’d like to see a one state solution. Equal rights for all. Take away the law imposing any religion and allow international right to return for 1948 refugees. Whoever is there now stays. But that’s hopelessly naive.

Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine were only forcibly displaced after Arab violence against Jews erupted, following the UN vote in 1947. Before that, not a single Arab had been forcibly displaced.

Jews came to a mostly empty land, they cultivated wasteland and bought land from absentee landlords. Nobody had been displaced nor should anyone have bee, had the Arabs not started a war they lost.

And when you speak of return for 1948 refugees, first of all why? What's special about them more than any other refugees in the last eight decades, who have no chance of return? But even if, do you mean just the actual refugees or all their descendants for eternity?

Watch Tantura - straight from the settlers and soldiers mouths they tell you that the people there actually took jewish refugees into their houses but Israel decided that the port was strategically advantageous so they took it and executed many of the inhabitants, forcibly displacing the rest.

1dayatatime · 12/10/2025 10:19

plsexplaintome · 08/10/2025 09:22

Yikes I know MN can be a nasty place but I wasn't expecting that so soon. If you don't want to explain then don't, you don't have to post to announce that you're not going to? I'm not trying to goad anything, I use MN to see other people's perspectives on things so I'm not always just hearing opinions from my own bubble.

Yet another "I don't know much about the Israel / Gaza conflict but could someone please explain to me why [insert a controversial statement]".

So tiresome and on the very remote chance that this is a genuine question then try Google or Wikipedia.

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29Braydon · 12/10/2025 06:32

@SameOldHill
What matters is that there were people living there, and that those local communities were displaced. Whether they felt Palestinian, Jordanian or whatever, they didn’t deserve to be forcibly expelled.
And nor do the Israelis who were born there now. They don’t deserve to be forced out.
There is no solution. Personally I’d like to see a one state solution. Equal rights for all. Take away the law imposing any religion and allow international right to return for 1948 refugees. Whoever is there now stays. But that’s hopelessly naive.

Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine were only forcibly displaced after Arab violence against Jews erupted, following the UN vote in 1947. Before that, not a single Arab had been forcibly displaced.

Jews came to a mostly empty land, they cultivated wasteland and bought land from absentee landlords. Nobody had been displaced nor should anyone have bee, had the Arabs not started a war they lost.

And when you speak of return for 1948 refugees, first of all why? What's special about them more than any other refugees in the last eight decades, who have no chance of return? But even if, do you mean just the actual refugees or all their descendants for eternity?

Jews didn’t come to mostly wasteland and even if it was it wasn’t theirs to take !
In 1947 there were one and a half million Palestinians in 1,300 Palestinians villages and towns .
The Nakba is the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs through violent displacement and massacres forcing them to flee. A quick watch of Louis Therouxs excellent documentary the settlers highlights what’s happening today and evidences the land grab !

The fact that you deny the right of return for 1948 refugees yet ageee with the law of return for any jew despite the fact they may not be indigenous to Palestine highlights how tolerant Israeli supporters are of apartheid .
there’s many documentaries and books that highlight the massacres that took place . Many British soldiers who were there at the nakba have left horrifying eyewitness accounts. I myself have spoke in the past to a British soldier who was in Palestine at the time of the nakba who told me of the atrocities he witnessed.