Has Trump's pressure worked?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0xvnxqj2xt

So it looks like Hamas have agreed to free hostages! I guess being holed up in Gaza with no hope of winning does tend to sharpen even the most suicidal terrorist.

I start have agreed to ramp down their military campaign. I don't know if this news is enough to get the pro Palestinian loons to not go out protesting this weekend but it certainly is significant.

The question of disarming is the key one for Hamas and I wonder if Israel were premature in winding down military activity when they had already gained the concession of hostage release?.

'Gosh! Equally, I do wonder what some posters would do with their time if they weren’t so busy justifying the deaths of tens of thousands of children'

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No-one has 'justified deaths' just rather patiently tried to explain to you this is what happens in a conflict. It happened in Yemen, it happened in Syria. I don't recall anyone on here accusing Saudi of 'genocide'. In fact, such was the lack of interest in any of the ME conflicts this board didn't even exist until Israel retaliated to mass atrocities committed on Oct 7th. I wonder why?

That was just a tongue in cheek joke BTW.
We all have causes and concerns we feel passionate about.

Just because the current conflict in Gaza may end it doesn't mean that these angry people or their hatred for the West, Western values and Western liberal capitalism will go away.

Killing and maiming 50000 children, creating the most child amputees per capita in the world, creating man made famine, displacing 100% of a population, sexually assaulting and torturing detainees, stealing people's homes, apartheid, none of these are 'Western values'. It's the fact that our governments aren't adhering to our values and have continued to support Israel as they have starved, killed maimed innocent people by their 1000s that has made people angry.

If your view point was genuinely the case about wanting for ordinary Palestinian civilians to be able to live peaceful lives away from being menaced by armed groups then we would have seen calls on these marches against Hamas, against Hezbollah and against the Houthis. Instead we have seen a minority of protesters actively supporting these groups, majority being silent and on the rare occasions someone has openly come out against Hamas they have been physically attacked.

I genuinely worry that following the hopeful end to the terrible war in Gaza that many of these protesters along with their anger will create further violence and disruption to Western society and Western values.

Well link to multiple threads where Yemen and Syria are discussed to such a degree and I'll stand corrected because at the moment it looks like some of you are indeed only outraged when Israel are involved.

Those afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome put their prejudice before their desire for peace.
Odd but not surprising.

Well, we will see won’t we? Because if there is a peace deal, presumably if the marches and protests are all about the horror of genocide, the protestors will now be protesting the genocide now in its third year in Sudan? Or the one in the Amhara and Tigray regions in Ethiopia? Or Azerbijan? I mean if it is nothing to do with anti semitism and all to do with caring about the victims of genocides, these protestors and marches will start focussing on all the other ones now? Yes?

How exactly has the Government of the UK done these things, in fact they have condemned them.

This is exactly what I am worried about. An angry Islamo-far left protesters has taken the actions of another country (Israel) and transplanted them to blame the Government of another country (UK) - all in the name of anti Western/ capitalist ideology.

It's a small step for a minority from this group to then wish to take terrorist action against Western societies.

You are very outspoken about your loathing for Israel.

It’s odd that conflagrations and ‘genocides’ elsewhere do not incite your opprobrium- the genocide against Christians in Syria for example.

It appears you save up all your criticism for the only Jewish state which leaves you open to accusations of racism and anti Semitism.

Would you consider yourself to be anti semitic?

I hope a lasting peace is achieved however they will be fighting each other again in a depressingly short time

Where are the sanctions? They supply 15% of the components in the F-35 fighter jets which are used in airstrikes across the occupied Palestinian territory. They support the illegal settlers and apartheid in the West Bank by not enacting a ban on Israeli products from the occupied territories.

We all saw how quickly countries reacted with sanctions towards Russia. That is fresh in our minds. Day in day out for 2 years we have seen children blown to pieces, children starving, screaming for their dead parents, heard genocidal rhetoric from batshit Israeli government and military members and nothing. Just a few wishy words, calm down now lads, maybe you are going to far but we will continue to refuse to actually step in and sanction for these awful acts.

But it’s not Hamas or Hezbollah who’ve bombed, starved and displaced over 2 million Palestinians.

Do you have any actual evidence for that claim? The idea that “most protesters are silent on Hamas and attack anyone who criticises them” just isn’t reflected in what’s actually happening here. UK marches have been explicitly about ending the bombing and starvation of civilians in Gaza- not about supporting armed groups. Even the Met have confirmed the vast majority have been peaceful and lawful.

Thousands marched in Dublin today so if you are worried you will have nothing to mock and complain about anymore on a Saturday afternoon you can start on them.

Would hate you to have nothing to post about.

Please quote where I have been ‘very outspoken about my loathing for Israel’.

You also have no idea what actions I have taken regarding other conflicts and genocides going on around the world.

For people who hate the protests and protesters so much they seem to know an awful lot about them and what they think.

Update: someone has genuinely just said to me that I’ve been ‘very outspoken about my loathing for Israel’.

Anyone who reads these threads will know my posts have always focused on the humanitarian side- especially the children who are suffering. I’ve criticised policies and military actions that have caused mass civilian harm. But apparently that’s the same as ‘loathing Israel’ now.

The lack sanctions by the British Gov are exactly the same lack of sanctions against China for their persecution of Uighurs or against Pakistani for the ethnic cleansing of 1.5 million Afghan refugees. They don't because sometimes economic pragmatism and national interest trumps ethics.

What exactly do you think would if the UK started refusing to send F35 parts to Israel? The manufacturing of the parts would shift back to the US and the UK would get kicked out of the F35 programme, resulting in a significant loss of UK jobs and a significant weakening of UK military capability.

I recognise that with your anti UK views that you don't care about UK jobs or UK defence capabilities but I can assure you that the majority of British voters do.

This is exactly the type of anti Western terrorist sympathising ideology that worries me going forward.

Agree Boris I advocate for both Yemen and Sudan elsewhere in spaces where people have the historical knowledge and understand the sensitivity with people who genuinely care.

I would never do it on CITME as the majority of the people that mention them do not do because they care but as some soft of shield for IDF actions and a gotcha....

Are you seriously telling me that you are unaware of the numerous times that Naik Gorbani has been physically attacked at the Pro Pal London protests for holding up a sign that simply stated Hamas are Terrorists (which is the official UK government policy):

Or crowds supporting Houthi terrorist attacks on shipping ?

Nobody has ever said anyone is antisemitic for 'simply' posting about the humanitarian crisis.

This is so disingenuous. How many times do we have to explain this?

What is almost certainly motivated by antisemitism is the obsessive focus on Israel, as if Israel was uniquely evil, to the exclusion of all other humanitarian crises,wars and human rights issues. Its simply unarguable that no other issue generates as much media attention, social media traffic and posts on mumsnet. It is accompanied by a staggering lack of empathy for the experience of Jews in this country. And also an incredible lack of curiosity about the political forces that people are supporting. Islamist terrorism is a real & present danger to all of us.
2 brave Jewish people lost their lives to it this week.
And people demand proof of support for Hamas on the marches when it is there for them to see every week. But they choose not to look, and ignore the Hamas propaganda machine tjat taps into antisemitic tropes. How many times have I and others been insinuated that we are paid by Israel? What is the obsessive focus on babies about? Babies suffer in all conflicts but they take on totemic significance in this one alongside graphic images displayed on marches. Surely you see what this is about?

There are many well.meaning people on the marches but I wish the death of two Jewish people here would encourage at least a little reflection.

It's not a question of hating the protesters and the protests but a very real concern about how a minority of these protesters will become the terrorists of tomorrow and for a larger number to become the terrorist sympathisers of tomorrow.

We have already seen Palestine Action attack and damage RAF aircraft as well as attacking a female police officer with a sledgehammer and hospitalising her. It is a very small step to become further radicalised and end up killing people.

We have also seen hundreds of people express support for Palestine Action, which is a designated terrorist group. It's a very small step for these people to support or at least sympathise with the killing of day a "hated figure" (such as Farage ).

You can keep repeating that it is anti West to want sanctions on murderous regimes all you like but it doesn't make it true.

What is 'anti West' is sitting back and watching as Israel make a mockery of International law, smear the UN, smear the international courts.

UK jobs before the lives of innocent people. At least someone is happy to admit that the UK are profiting off this genocide. The idea that someone is profiting off killing kids so it may as well be us doesn't align with any of my values and I will happily be called anti Western values if that is what that means.

UK jobs before innocent people would also apply to 95% of all solar panels installed in the UK given that they are manufactured using concentration camps of Uighurs in China.

Or the majority of EV batteries manufactured using slave labour mining cobalt in the Congo.

Or buying gas from UAE or holidaying in Dubai despite the UAE funding the war in Sudan.

Lastly are you happy to weaken UK military defence capabilities by the UK getting excluded from the F35 program?

@CrossChecking ”What is 'anti West' is sitting back and watching as Israel make a mockery of International law, smear the UN, smear the international courts.”

The West is never, ever going to forsake Israel. Not after the genocide (note: real genocide of 6 million Jews murdered), or the murderous terrorist atrocities carried out by Islamist extremists both against Israel and the West, not to mention the numerous wars fought by Israel to protect itself. The West needs Israel to survive, and survive it will.
I hope the ceasefire holds and people can live in peace once more, after this absolutely pointless conflict.

They have though. I’ve been accused of being anti-Semitic and I have ‘simply’ posted about the humanitarian crisis. It’s being used as a tool to try to shut people down. Unfortunately this humanitarian crisis has been caused by Israel’s disproportionate response. I have also repeatedly condemned Hamas.

Showing concern for Palestinian civilians isn’t the same as hating Jewish people or ignoring other crises. Gaza is experiencing one of the worst humanitarian disasters in recent memory- millions displaced, hospitals and schools bombed, tens of thousands of children killed or injured. Criticising government or military actions is about compassion for civilians, not hatred toward a people. It’s entirely possible to condemn antisemitism and speak up for Palestinians at the same time.