Has Trump's pressure worked?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0xvnxqj2xt

So it looks like Hamas have agreed to free hostages! I guess being holed up in Gaza with no hope of winning does tend to sharpen even the most suicidal terrorist.

I start have agreed to ramp down their military campaign. I don't know if this news is enough to get the pro Palestinian loons to not go out protesting this weekend but it certainly is significant.

The question of disarming is the key one for Hamas and I wonder if Israel were premature in winding down military activity when they had already gained the concession of hostage release?.

“And people demand proof of support for Hamas on the marches when it is there for them to see every week.”

I’ve also never seen any widespread support for Hamas on marches and you’re yet to share any proof. According to one poster earlier today ‘most’ Palestinian supporters are also Hamas. This is simply not true.

@Wedonttalkaboutboris You are sidestepping the point I am making and I think you know it.

You say you’re not justifying the deaths of children, but if pointing out that similar things happen elsewhere is being used to excuse or downplay what’s happening in Gaza, that is exactly the effect. Noting “this happens in other conflicts” doesn’t change that tens of thousands of children are being killed right now- it’s still a justification in practice.

How?
I honestly have no idea the point I’m supposedly side stepping. This is ridiculous!

@Wedonttalkaboutboris here is a banner from today. Im not trawling the internet but there are loads of images like this if you bother to look. I honestly don't know how anyone can pretend you have not seen this stuff. It is not possible.

Do you remembet the women convicted for wearing images of hamas terrorists parachuting i nto Israel on 7 October?

You will have heard the chants, 'From the River to the sea', 'Houthis, Houthis make us proud', 'Resistance is justified'.

Is that in reference to my post? I did not say ‘most’ meaning nearly all. I said I have seen ‘many’ people online also supporting Hamas. Are you purposely confusing this?

Show me all the banners on the protests demanding the release of the hostages and condemning Hamas. And explain why you can’t want these things AND want an end to the war? They are not mutually exclusive.

On the 8th October 2023, just hours after a terrible massacre and before Israel had even retaliated, UK activists began organising the London demonstration for the 14th October. These are the people we are concerned about because you can’t explain away this behaviour as reacting to a ‘genocide’.

Someone said:
“most protesters are silent on Hamas and attack anyone who criticises them”.

This conflation with support for senseless and disproportionate killing with support for Hamas is ridiculous.

Isolated incidents don’t represent the majority of protesters. The vast majority of UK marches have been focused on humanitarian issues- civilians being killed, hospitals and schools bombed, children suffering. Highlighting rare extreme examples as if they define everyone misrepresents what most people are trying to do: call for an end to the suffering.

It isn't 'justification' it is trying to explain to you that you focusing on this one conflict whe there have been so many others equally as horrific is odd.

It seems to indicate that it isn't conflicts and civilian deaths that horrify you, it is when Israel is involved.

How could you possibly know that I’m only focusing on this one conflict?

It’s very strange to be accused of antisemitism simply for highlighting the scale and urgency of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. I’ve also been involved in supporting Ukraine- and never once was I accused of being anti-Russian.

Same

Just because you can't be bothered to go looking doesnt mean its not there. I don't have time to dig out hundreds of examples but I see them when people post from the marches. I know and you know they are there. I don't keep a database or anything because its so blindingly obvious thdy exist.

Everyone who stood next to that person or walked past them without challenging turned a blind eye. The chants have been chanted by the majority Or accompanied by the majority.

If people are there for humanitarian reasons why do they tolerate people who are obviously supporting terrorists? That is utterly grotesque. 2 people died this week. 4 were injured. Don't you think it is staggeringly complacent to just accept tjat marchers walk alongside terrorist supporters and just shrug their shoulders? Why dont irganisers make it crystal clear tjat vertain behaviour and images won't be tolerated. It is extreme moral cowardice.

Woman in Brighton this week after the murder of two Jews in Manchester. She was asked what should happen to zionists. This was her answer. When asked if she meant all of them she thought about it for a while and said 'yeh'. Film shown of Heidi Bachram's twitter.

Manchester PSC statement directly in support of Hamas. Note the date. They have organised regular marches in Manchester and are affiliated to PSC groups round the country.

Every single person who was a member of Manchester PSC or followed them on social media probably got that statement. They stayed members. They went on tje marches.

They took to the streets in Manchester after two Jews died at the hands of Islamist 'antizionist' extremism.

If that’s the standard, should I start pulling up all the examples of Israelis or their supporters calling for Palestinians to die? Would that make anyone who doesn’t publicly condemn them “complicit”? I don’t think that’s a fair or useful way to talk about complex human tragedies.

Just as it would be wrong to hold all Jewish people responsible for the statements of a few extremists, it’s wrong to label thousands of peaceful protesters as “terrorist supporters” because of a tiny minority.

You asked for evidence of Hamas support at the marches. I am giving it to you. Again you are sidestepping the issue. I take it you now don't want evidence of suppprt for Hamas at the protests? Why is that?

I asked for evidence of widespread Hamas support, not one or two examples out of hundreds of thousands of people. There will always be extremists at any large public event, but that doesn’t define the whole movement or the motives of the majority.

You need to take a hard look at yourselves in the mirror. Tony Robinson, ambassador on antisemitism attending Isreal mid October., invited by the genocidal Israeli government 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The reason Tony Robinson has been invited is because he has a hatred for Muslims and Isreal wants him to sow division in the UK. Don't be fooled he hates Jews as well but is hiding that fact at present

What would the methodology for proving 'wipespread support' be exactly?

I think the undoubtedly widespread participation in chants calling for the destruction of Israel and supporting 'legitimate resistance' is pretty good evidence.

What is evident is that there is widespread toleration of Hamas and extremist ideology. It doesn't matter if its 10 people explicitly expressing that ideology ig hundreds of people around them tolerate it and normalise it.

Matthew Syed describes his experience of widespread antisemitism at the protest today www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/pro-palestine-protests-cg3mm5zvg

I've read that. Its pure, antisemitism and mob mentality, the way they turned on him, when he asked about hamas.

Behind a paywall

Time will tell, but I'm not massively optimistic.

I think Hamas' word is worthless and think they will resume attacks but possibly on a smaller scale after any agreement comes into effect. Why else do they want to keep their arms? I also expect car/knife/suicide bombing attacks within Israel to continue.

When they have recovered sufficiently they will try again, although that may be 10-20 years away.

Rinse and repeat.