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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump's new Gaza Plan

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Twiglets1 · 24/09/2025 15:51

Return of the hostages and an Islamic Arab government: Inside Trump's new Gaza plan:

The Trump administration has reportedly put forward a peace plan which would eventually lead to a complete end to the war in Gaza, a Western source told the Lebanese media site Elnashra on Wednesday, only a day after US President Donald Trump met with the leaders of Muslim countries.

The plan reportedly includes a 20-day ceasefire followed by the return of the hostages. It is unclear in the report, however, how many of the 48 hostages would be returned at this stage of the deal.

Following the return of the abductees, an Arab administration made up of Islamic nations would take over the administration of the Palestinian enclave, according to Elnashra. During this time, a Palestinian government would reportedly be built without the infiltration of Hamas.

Other sources told the Lebanese paper that the Muslim leaders attending the meeting with Trump were supportive of the American president's proposal. Still, they were reportedly awaiting a response from Hamas and Israel to see if the proposal could be fruitful.

The meeting was held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York and included leaders from the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-868469

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DrPrunesqualer · 29/09/2025 21:22

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 21:18

Effectively trumping in charge of Gaza, it's a tiny step away from colonising it. Which Trump has threatened to do previously, and redeveloped everyone except for the Palestinians!

I think there are definite problems within the plan, but that it's a good starting point towards peace if (and only if) It's headed in a more sensible way.

If it was headed by representatives from various countries, including Muslim ones, and without Trump in charge, then that sounds like a positive step. Have a council with the head (or a former head) of the UN providing leadership. Or potentially someone very senior in the EU. Maybe see if Merkel will come out of retirement for it - well known, respected, a friend to Israel, but not seen as biased in the same way Trump is.

Exactly

DrPrunesqualer · 29/09/2025 21:26

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 21:22

See this is one bit of a deal I think we can agree with! I'd be wanting to not releasing any of them, but with a commitment that those that want their case appealed to an independent (non Israeli) court can do so, with some expediency. The 90 something percent conviction rate of the Israeli military courts, leads to many questions over their independence. So rather than just releasing people who may well be murderers, in bulk, I'd rather all of those convicted have the chance to be tried before an independent court.

The guilty can stay in prison, though found not guilty must be released.

In terms of releases Netanyahu has agreed to all dead hostages to be released and 25 dead Gazans released / hostage

Why not all dead Gazans. I was surprised to hear they actually hold so many. Why would Israel want to keep the bodies of dead Gazans. I think that’s terrible, they should all be released to their families who probably don’t even know their fate

TicklishMauveSquid · 29/09/2025 21:27

I'm not so sure about Hamas members being given safe passage out of Gaza.

Won't that just allow them to regroup abroad and conduct terrorist attacks from there? The US could also be a target.

Also wouldn't be surprised at all if the assumed living hostages are returned deceased with the excuse that they don't know what happened to them (didn't Hamas recently say they'd lost track of 2 hostages) or they were just killed in an air strike. A horrible thought and what would Israel's response be?

TicklishMauveSquid · 29/09/2025 21:29

DrPrunesqualer · 29/09/2025 21:26

In terms of releases Netanyahu has agreed to all dead hostages to be released and 25 dead Gazans released / hostage

Why not all dead Gazans. I was surprised to hear they actually hold so many. Why would Israel want to keep the bodies of dead Gazans. I think that’s terrible, they should all be released to their families who probably don’t even know their fate

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You mean terrorists killed while conducting attacks on Israelis?

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 21:32

TicklishMauveSquid · 29/09/2025 21:29

You mean terrorists killed while conducting attacks on Israelis?

It'll include civilians that get killed by Israel. There's a lot of them.

It'll also include people including kids that were held without charge tortured and killed in Israeli prisons.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 21:33

This trading in corpses needs to stop on both sides. It's disgusting. There's no defence on either side to this.

stomachamelon · 29/09/2025 21:38

Hamas has responded across several fronts as have the Houthi’s. It’s not largely positive.

stomachamelon · 29/09/2025 21:41

Houthi’s response as released to Israeli media.

Trump's new Gaza Plan
PollyPaintsFlowers · 29/09/2025 21:43

stomachamelon · 29/09/2025 21:38

Hamas has responded across several fronts as have the Houthi’s. It’s not largely positive.

Shame on them then for not bringing the war to an end

stomachamelon · 29/09/2025 21:45

The proposal has been delivered to hierarchy by Qatar and Egypt. This has been acknowledged.

TicklishMauveSquid · 29/09/2025 21:46

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 21:32

It'll include civilians that get killed by Israel. There's a lot of them.

It'll also include people including kids that were held without charge tortured and killed in Israeli prisons.

Yes, yes, we know all terrorists are just civilians.

There is a reason Israel had a policy of not returning the bodies of terrorists killed in Israel. Maybe look it up. Terrible that the Palestinian terrorist ideology forced them to take that step.

stomachamelon · 29/09/2025 21:47

Most of the negative comments seem to be around the lack of consultation of them by the Arab states.

sosorryimnotsorry · 29/09/2025 21:49

SharonEllis · 29/09/2025 21:10

Trump made it clear that wouldn't happen.

Trump made what clear?

That Israel won’t continue annexing the West Bank and will return stolen land?

or

That Israel won’t agree to stop annexing the West Bank?

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 21:53

TicklishMauveSquid · 29/09/2025 21:46

Yes, yes, we know all terrorists are just civilians.

There is a reason Israel had a policy of not returning the bodies of terrorists killed in Israel. Maybe look it up. Terrible that the Palestinian terrorist ideology forced them to take that step.

They keep the bodies of children they've killed. Children! Have some humanity.

Lolapusht · 29/09/2025 21:54

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 21:06

I find it a bit disconcerting that no one's actually said yes, I trust Trump, this sounds like a good plan.

The man isn't exactly stable, he's a megalomaniac, his narcissism is off the scale, he isn't the remotest bit objective, he seems to approve of the idea of him being worshipped as a god-like being in Gaza, he keeps talking about the real estate opportunities!!

Just because something's better than the status quo doesn't make it right.

For those who are in favour of this plan, can you tell me why you think Trump is the right person for the job?

I don’t think it matters who the person is, just that this plan has been achieved.

I think Trump is an appalling, narcissistic, self-serving sociopath. I would happily never hear his name spoken ever again, but I would gladly ignore all of that if he can bring this war to an end. He doesn’t even need to secure lasting peace, just stop this phase so everyone can take a step back and stop killing each other.

Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 21:56

Islamic and Arab nations issue joint statement welcoming Trump's Gaza plan

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Qatar, and Egypt have all issued a joint statement welcoming Trump's efforts to end the war in Gaza.

The foreign ministers of the countries said they were ready to "cooperate positively" with the US and other countries to finalise the agreement and ensure its implementation.

news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-netanyahu-to-meet-trump-as-hostage-families-tell-us-president-we-need-you-13440749

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Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 21:58

Lolapusht · 29/09/2025 21:54

I don’t think it matters who the person is, just that this plan has been achieved.

I think Trump is an appalling, narcissistic, self-serving sociopath. I would happily never hear his name spoken ever again, but I would gladly ignore all of that if he can bring this war to an end. He doesn’t even need to secure lasting peace, just stop this phase so everyone can take a step back and stop killing each other.

Exactly, who cares if Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac as long as he stops all the killing.

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Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 21:59

sosorryimnotsorry · 29/09/2025 21:49

Trump made what clear?

That Israel won’t continue annexing the West Bank and will return stolen land?

or

That Israel won’t agree to stop annexing the West Bank?

Trump said a few days ago he wouldn't allow Israel to annex the West Bank.

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Lolapusht · 29/09/2025 22:01

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 20:42

I agree, maybe we shouldn't bother. The people being slaughtered by tens of thousands should clearly demilitarize, whilst those committing the genocide, who have nukes, and have committed 99% of deaths (not an exaggeration) should stay armed to the hilt with the ability to carry on killing people.

If that's your logic, I despair.

And no, I'm not suggesting either side are left without cover, I'm suggesting international peacekeepers take over until both sides can be trusted again.

…that’s kinda what’s happening, if Hamas agreed.

PaxAeterna · 29/09/2025 22:05

The problem with Trump and peace deals. Is that he is a bully. Instead of trying to find lasting peace he’s hoping to bully everyone into agreeing to this one

This was on the bbc. There is a danger to this too.

“During the remarks announcing it, Trump said he would back Israel doing "whatever" it felt was needed, if Hamas didn't agree to the plan.”

But in this time and place, with these people, I think the plan is as good as it could be.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 22:05

Lolapusht · 29/09/2025 22:01

…that’s kinda what’s happening, if Hamas agreed.

The international peacekeepers are only to keep Gazans in check. There is no reciprocal deal to keep Israel in check, even though they are the ones suspected of committing war crimes continually for 2 years.

I'm hoping though that if there are international peacekeepers on the ground, Israel will be less trigger happy.

Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 22:07

PaxAeterna · 29/09/2025 22:05

The problem with Trump and peace deals. Is that he is a bully. Instead of trying to find lasting peace he’s hoping to bully everyone into agreeing to this one

This was on the bbc. There is a danger to this too.

“During the remarks announcing it, Trump said he would back Israel doing "whatever" it felt was needed, if Hamas didn't agree to the plan.”

But in this time and place, with these people, I think the plan is as good as it could be.

That's a pragmatic approach and I agree with the sentiment that in this time and place, with these people, I think the plan is as good as it could be.

I agree Trump is a bully but so are Hamas bullies. Maybe they understand each other.

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Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 22:07

Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 21:58

Exactly, who cares if Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac as long as he stops all the killing.

What do you think about it being headed up by someone like Merkel instead? Loads of international respect, has the time for it, less likely to line her own pockets and far more diplomatic and trustworthy.

Lolapusht · 29/09/2025 22:09

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 20:57

I want it to end. But I don't want this.
I want a lasting peace that can be built upon, headed by someone both sides can trust.

There isn’t going to be lasting peace any time soon so that’s a naive thing to wish for.

There was no way a lasting peace deal was going to come out of this, not a chance. All that can be hoped for is that both sides put down their weapons so a long term solution can start to be formulated.

After two years of death and destruction, Hamas isn’t even going to be in as good a position as it was on Oct 6. All of those lives lost, buildings destroyed, total destruction for what? They’ve got a few thousand prisoners released, a people on their knees, total lack of infrastructure and a promise from Trump that if they don’t agree to and abuse to this plan he will support Israel in whatever it does. They’re not going to be allowed to be in power (they obviously still will be, just not so visibly or lucratively) and they won’t have any hostages. Hope it was worth it.

Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 22:09

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 29/09/2025 22:07

What do you think about it being headed up by someone like Merkel instead? Loads of international respect, has the time for it, less likely to line her own pockets and far more diplomatic and trustworthy.

Apart from the fact she didn't come up with any part of the plan, can't tell Netanyahu what to do and probably some of the ME leaders would be biased against her as a woman ... it could work.

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