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Everexpanding · 11/09/2025 23:47

dear god this has to be one of the most disgusting and depressing threads I have ever read. How can anyone’s first reaction to that headline be I must get my calculator out??? To accuse the paper of sensationalising by in some way trying to bring home the scale of the slaughter because 20,000 children is a horrifying number to try and get your head around. To use such jibes and emojis when discussing this topic. The lack of respect shown for the children and the scale of this horror!! Jesus some posters are just horrible human beings
i agree with the World Health Organization's Deputy Director General, today he said he is almost "entirely disillusioned with the world"

He also stated unequivocally that starvation is being used as a weapon of war by Israel

Everexpanding · 11/09/2025 23:47

So the toll will be far greater than 20,000

Everexpanding · 11/09/2025 23:54

Actually not horrible human beings but depraved, actually depraved

acorncrush · 12/09/2025 00:23

Hamas is the only organisation I’ve heard of who intentionally want their own children to die just to make the other side look bad, and hide weapons in hospitals in order to get more children killed, just to generate worse PR for their enemy. They value the lives of their own citizens and children very very little.

And pay families of terrorists going to intentionally murder children in the most horrific ways for the sake of murdering children - not to get other targets, but to cause sensational brutal murder.

Does Isreal do this?

Everexpanding · 12/09/2025 01:15

Israel are killing children everyday, 20,000 at least so far, at least 30,000 children injured and all the children of Gaza traumatised for life, can you condemn that and also the deliberate starvation of infants and an entire civilian population

Everexpanding · 12/09/2025 01:20

Israel has murdered 20,000 children

KoalaKoKo · 12/09/2025 01:31

acorncrush · 12/09/2025 00:23

Hamas is the only organisation I’ve heard of who intentionally want their own children to die just to make the other side look bad, and hide weapons in hospitals in order to get more children killed, just to generate worse PR for their enemy. They value the lives of their own citizens and children very very little.

And pay families of terrorists going to intentionally murder children in the most horrific ways for the sake of murdering children - not to get other targets, but to cause sensational brutal murder.

Does Isreal do this?

Edited

Do you know many people in Hamas, have you heard them all say this or is this something you have been told. A huge proportion of people who join Hamas do so because they are traumatised from family members being murdered - I am sure there are a few that are so indoctrinated that they think the cause is worth them and their families dying, but I do not think that is the majority.

Netanyahu and his ilk have sacrificed the hostages to win land, they enacted the Hanibal directive where Israeli citizens were killed rather than be taken hostage - that is pretty sadistic in my book. Freed hostages have spoken about the cars they were taken in being shot at by Israeli helicopters - a house where most of the Israeli hostages were shot by the IDF the few survivors said the Hamas operatives were trying to negotiate safe passage when the IDF opened fire and shot the militants and hostages. The fact they have a Hanibal Directive should disturb ordinary Israeli citizens on so many levels - you are expendable to your government. The goal of greater Israel is more important than your lives or your children’s lives to them.

Also the weapons inside hospitals thing was largely debunked - the videos circulated by the IDF of finding weapons in MRI machines was laughed at in the UK and Europe - even Hamas aren’t dumb enough to hide explosive devices in a giant magnet.

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 01:44

Why are you asking people on this thread to answer for Hamas, like they support them?
Disagreeing with the IDFs murder of over 18,000 children does not equal “I support Hamas”.

I didn’t suggest that people on the thread support Hamas. I’m asking - and I’ve asked before and never got an answer - what has Hamas, the government of Gaza, done to protect or shield its citizens, including children, from harm in this war?

SammyScrounge · 12/09/2025 02:39

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:20

You are right. They have killed more than one child every hour.

Which is actually the headline:-

GAZA: 20,000 CHILDREN KILLED IN 23 MONTHS OF WAR - MORE THAN ONE CHILD KILLED EVERY HOUR

I’m not sure why you think this is a “gotcha” though. There was no over exaggeration. There are 3210 children dead who wouldn’t be if it was “only” one child killed per hour.

I wish that they were all still alive. Along with the other 16,790 who also died.

And don't forget that it was Hamas"s slaughter of defenseless babies and youngsters and whole families that started all this.

When you do something like the savage attack on Israel last October and then brag you'll do it again, you can expect retribution.

Martymcfly24 · 12/09/2025 06:57

SammyScrounge · 12/09/2025 02:39

And don't forget that it was Hamas"s slaughter of defenseless babies and youngsters and whole families that started all this.

When you do something like the savage attack on Israel last October and then brag you'll do it again, you can expect retribution.

Israel had killed more children in Palestine in 2023 prior to October 7th than were murdered on October 7th.

By your logic that was retribution?

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 07:58

Martymcfly24 · 12/09/2025 06:57

Israel had killed more children in Palestine in 2023 prior to October 7th than were murdered on October 7th.

By your logic that was retribution?

What was Oct 7?

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 08:02

By which I mean, obviously, how would you describe or characterise it?

Gloriia · 12/09/2025 09:44

It is indeed tragic that civilians die in a warzone. We know that. As a pp said 'Hamas could have ended this by handing back the hostages'.

Hamas is the problem op as you should know by now. They use civilians as shields, they embed themselves in the community. They stockpile their guns and ammo in schools and hospitals.

Save the children's slogan is irrelevant. There have of course been deaths but why say 'one killed every hour'.

They should be saying 'hamas surrender to prevent more civilian deaths', but they won't.

Gansy · 12/09/2025 10:15

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 01:44

Why are you asking people on this thread to answer for Hamas, like they support them?
Disagreeing with the IDFs murder of over 18,000 children does not equal “I support Hamas”.

I didn’t suggest that people on the thread support Hamas. I’m asking - and I’ve asked before and never got an answer - what has Hamas, the government of Gaza, done to protect or shield its citizens, including children, from harm in this war?

Why are you asking people on this thread like they have more insight into Hamas than you do?

Are you trying to frame that all of this violence is because of the lack of protection effort from Hamas? As over 18,000 children murdered in Gaza is a result of Hamas not having sufficiently shielding its citizens from the IDFs 2-tonne and incendiary bombs dropped on tarpaulin tents in highly populated areas? Drone sniper shooting toddlers playing? Purposely withdrawing life support for premeeies? Starving out special needs kids, and dismissing their deaths as a genetic disorder and slagging their parents off on national Israeli television. Perhap’s even Hamas had a higher opinion of the Israeli Government than they deserve and didn’t think they would be come so departed.
It’s utterly despicable.

Anyone who had a true love for Israel would not want this as their national conscience.

Gansy · 12/09/2025 10:30

Gloriia · 12/09/2025 09:44

It is indeed tragic that civilians die in a warzone. We know that. As a pp said 'Hamas could have ended this by handing back the hostages'.

Hamas is the problem op as you should know by now. They use civilians as shields, they embed themselves in the community. They stockpile their guns and ammo in schools and hospitals.

Save the children's slogan is irrelevant. There have of course been deaths but why say 'one killed every hour'.

They should be saying 'hamas surrender to prevent more civilian deaths', but they won't.

They are both the problem. They are both dishonest and have both betrayed peace.
The Israeli Gov has said time and time again that giving back the hostages will not end the war. What about all of the Palestinians hostages which were told to call prisoners. Detained without trial. Many children. What about those hostages who have been held for years and years?

They’ve both shown themselves to be terrorists now. Hamas and the IDF.

There’s been multiple deals thrown out by Netanyahu and it’s just gotten worse since Trump came in. A far-right emboldened mess.

For anyone going spare on the maths:
I assume a child killed every hour and 20 minutes is an acceptable then, is it? What a bone pick. This thread had truly turned my stomach.

Martymcfly24 · 12/09/2025 10:35

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 08:02

By which I mean, obviously, how would you describe or characterise it?

A mass slaughter of innocents would be my first thought .

Why do you ask?

PlusBarrette · 12/09/2025 11:25

KoalaKoKo · 12/09/2025 01:31

Do you know many people in Hamas, have you heard them all say this or is this something you have been told. A huge proportion of people who join Hamas do so because they are traumatised from family members being murdered - I am sure there are a few that are so indoctrinated that they think the cause is worth them and their families dying, but I do not think that is the majority.

Netanyahu and his ilk have sacrificed the hostages to win land, they enacted the Hanibal directive where Israeli citizens were killed rather than be taken hostage - that is pretty sadistic in my book. Freed hostages have spoken about the cars they were taken in being shot at by Israeli helicopters - a house where most of the Israeli hostages were shot by the IDF the few survivors said the Hamas operatives were trying to negotiate safe passage when the IDF opened fire and shot the militants and hostages. The fact they have a Hanibal Directive should disturb ordinary Israeli citizens on so many levels - you are expendable to your government. The goal of greater Israel is more important than your lives or your children’s lives to them.

Also the weapons inside hospitals thing was largely debunked - the videos circulated by the IDF of finding weapons in MRI machines was laughed at in the UK and Europe - even Hamas aren’t dumb enough to hide explosive devices in a giant magnet.

Israeli hostages have also said they witnessed rape and murder by Hamas. You know, people who according to you only join because they're traumatised, poor dears.

Utahthecat · 12/09/2025 11:43

The Rest is Politics Leading podcast had a brilliant, if harrowing, interview with James Elder from UNICEF this week who shared so many horrific stories about what life is like for children in Gaza and the reality of trying to deliver aid in Gaza (spoiler: it's not Hamas' fault lifesaving aid can't be delivered to starving, dying children).

I know the "butHamas" lot have no time for the UN but these people know what it is like to work in difficult humanitarian situations and I trust their word much more than the Israeli state.

Highly reccommend, it is well worth listening to.

TakeMe2Insanity · 12/09/2025 12:29

Only a thread about the daily slaughter of children could be twisted by the “but hamas” crowd.

Gloriia · 12/09/2025 12:43

TakeMe2Insanity · 12/09/2025 12:29

Only a thread about the daily slaughter of children could be twisted by the “but hamas” crowd.

It's inconvenient and a bit tedious for some I know but it is their fault. They hide among them and use civilians as shields.

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 12:59

Gansy · 12/09/2025 10:15

Why are you asking people on this thread like they have more insight into Hamas than you do?

Are you trying to frame that all of this violence is because of the lack of protection effort from Hamas? As over 18,000 children murdered in Gaza is a result of Hamas not having sufficiently shielding its citizens from the IDFs 2-tonne and incendiary bombs dropped on tarpaulin tents in highly populated areas? Drone sniper shooting toddlers playing? Purposely withdrawing life support for premeeies? Starving out special needs kids, and dismissing their deaths as a genetic disorder and slagging their parents off on national Israeli television. Perhap’s even Hamas had a higher opinion of the Israeli Government than they deserve and didn’t think they would be come so departed.
It’s utterly despicable.

Anyone who had a true love for Israel would not want this as their national conscience.

It’s not about having insight into Hamas, it’s a very simple question, what have they
DONE to protect their people?

We all know that the answer is that not only have they done nothing, they have endangered their people time and time again. It is part of their war strategy and very deliberate.

Why doesn’t Gaza have systems of alarms and shelters like Israeli citizens do?

Why don’t the Hamas military wear uniforms when they fight so that they can be clearly identified as combatants?

Why do the Hamas combatants fight in densely populated civilian areas?

Why, when civilians have been warned by the IDF to move from one area to another, have they been herded back into danger by Hamas?

Why doesn’t Hamas use its networks of tunnels to shelter civilians?

Why do they continue with a militarily uneven war that puts their people in a catastrophically perilous situation?

Why don’t they surrender?

I could go on.

Gansy · 12/09/2025 13:16

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 12:59

It’s not about having insight into Hamas, it’s a very simple question, what have they
DONE to protect their people?

We all know that the answer is that not only have they done nothing, they have endangered their people time and time again. It is part of their war strategy and very deliberate.

Why doesn’t Gaza have systems of alarms and shelters like Israeli citizens do?

Why don’t the Hamas military wear uniforms when they fight so that they can be clearly identified as combatants?

Why do the Hamas combatants fight in densely populated civilian areas?

Why, when civilians have been warned by the IDF to move from one area to another, have they been herded back into danger by Hamas?

Why doesn’t Hamas use its networks of tunnels to shelter civilians?

Why do they continue with a militarily uneven war that puts their people in a catastrophically perilous situation?

Why don’t they surrender?

I could go on.

You tell us the answers.

Especially interested in your last question. Why do you think they won’t surrender? What would they have to look forward to if they did?

None of your questions excuse what the IDF have done to Gazan civilians.

TakeMe2Insanity · 12/09/2025 13:19

Gloriia · 12/09/2025 12:43

It's inconvenient and a bit tedious for some I know but it is their fault. They hide among them and use civilians as shields.

No it isn’t.

This is gaslighting. You should know better. Its now been almost 2 years since 7 Oct and the Palestinians have been dehumanised, brutalised and anyone who tries to help them.

Its gone beyond everything, and all the people who come on and scream but hamas, remember it was your beloved Netanyahu who killed peace negotiators (who had agreed on peace), who bomb flotillas, and god knows what else.

The lowest is killing children and thats what Israel does best. How many need to die for Israel’s thirst for blood to be quenched??

celticnations · 12/09/2025 13:20

I think that Israel have made their point.

And Hamas should piss off.

SisterTeatime · 12/09/2025 13:27

Gansy · 12/09/2025 13:16

You tell us the answers.

Especially interested in your last question. Why do you think they won’t surrender? What would they have to look forward to if they did?

None of your questions excuse what the IDF have done to Gazan civilians.

It’s a simple question. What has Hamas, the government of Gaza, done to protect its people?

As to why they won’t surrender: because they are a death cult which glorifies martyrdom; because sacrificing innocents is crucial to their propaganda war; because their stated aim is to kill Jews and destroy Israel; because they want to keep their funding coming in; because they want to cling to power by any means necessary and every child in Gaza could be slaughtered in front of them and they wouldn’t lift a finger to stop it.

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